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I've been dating since being separated from the ex in Feb '10.  Got my divorce on the 10th of this month!  Met most girls online, one in a bar, and one at the mall.  My situation (without going into too much) is far from ideal, I pretty much lost everything in the divorce due to circumstances, and I'm living with the folks, and broke as a joke.  That amongst other things pretty much prevents any chance of a serious relationship right now.  There's way more to my situation but I don't feel like drudging it up right now.  Suffice to say I'm not exactly the total package at the moment so I've been casual dating, and probably will be for a while.  Still, after a crappy 10 year marriage, nice to know I still have game!  

Anyone else dating, tired of dating, interested in settling down?

 I noticed somethings about dating sites and getting to know people in general.   Announcing that you're an Atheist on PlentyofFish, or Okcupid kills the amount of mail/responses you get.  Not a shocker, but interesting since putting non religious as your religion doesn't seem to hurt you near as bad.  It's just one more example of how the word has been demonized.  

After I've gotten to know the ladies, they are usually surprised to find out I'm an atheist, but not put off by it.  One girl was shocked, I thought she was going to get in her car and leave, no joke.  Ironically we ended up falling for each other, but she was still a little weirded out by the Atheism.  I slowly got her to understand my position, but I wasn't trying to push the issue or dwell on it.  The fact that I'm a good person and an Atheist seemed to be a surprise.  I was shocked that she had never met an Atheist (that she knew of) despite growing up in the city (near Cleveland.)  

Anyways, interested to hear what other people are going through, what sites you use etc.

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 I've been divorced for about two years now after 7 years of marriage. I voluntarily gave her everything, packed up what fit in my car and put a few important things in storage. Then I spent a year and a half on the road living out of hotels, vacation rentals and crashing at friends houses. So I pretty much stuck to picking up women in the hotel bar or at the casino, both are surprisingly easy if you are looking for a one night stand. Now I am in a fairly serious relationship with someone who started out as a business partner. Not sure it is advisable to mix personal relationships with business but when you spend a lot of time with someone shit happens. I've never tried the website approach before. I've heard too many horror stories.  

 

When I tell women I am an atheist I have had similar reactions. "But your so nice, how can you be an atheist?" as if being an atheist requires me to have horns growing out of my head. Interestingly, the worst reaction I ever had was from my ex-wife who was Catholic. She obsessed about it forever especially when I refused to hide it from her family. She married me anyway and after years of effort I have converted her to the dark side. 

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Beyond Saving wrote: I've

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 I've never tried the website approach before. I've heard too many horror stories.  

While there are horror stories (I have one, but nothing big) overall things have been really good.  When I first got serparated, and realized the wife was cheating, I tried going out and talking to women.  I still lacked confidence after what I had just gone through, so I didn't have much luck getting dates that way.  Once I got online and went on a couple dates, my confidence was back and I started getting dates both ways.

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When I tell women I am an atheist I have had similar reactions. "But your so nice, how can you be an atheist?" as if being an atheist requires me to have horns growing out of my head. Interestingly, the worst reaction I ever had was from my ex-wife who was Catholic. She obsessed about it forever especially when I refused to hide it from her family. She married me anyway and after years of effort I have converted her to the dark side.

Lol "But you're so nice"  Uh-huh, sounds farmiliar!   I converted 2 of my exes, but the ex wife is so fake, she is probably no longer an Atheist just because of who she's with.  Harsh yeah, but other people have said the same thought came to their mind.

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So I pretty much stuck to picking up women in the hotel bar or at the casino, both are surprisingly easy if you are looking for a one night stand.

I've done the hotel bar thing a couple of times too... met a super cool chick there.   Now we're FWB but she lives an hour and a half away so I don't see her often.  As for one night stands I'd rather date casually or do the FWB thing, as long as they're not terrible in bed or clingy or smelly or something!  

Before I met my ex I went through a devastating break-up (classic nice guy finishes last story.)  After the smoke cleared I was jaded as hell and became a real asshole for a little while.  I dated 20+ women in about 6 months.  I was trying to treat women the way I had been treated too many times.  Obviously that didn't make me feel great so I ended up settling for the first serious relationship I had, and got married.  In the end the emotional fall out from that original break-up caused me to make a bad decision and settle for someone who turned out to be super fake.    Overall I'm still a nice guy, and respectful of women, but learning game at that point in my life was the most powerful thing that could have happened to me.  Now I'm upfront with women about how I am, and that until I find the right person, I'm dating different people.  Most nice guys would assume that would ruin your chances with a lot of girls, but framed right it actually helps. I've had a couple girls accuse me of having commitment issues because I won't date just one person right now.  I told them that's the farthest thing from the truth, that I'm not happy that my situation is making it really unlikely to find someone to settle down with at this point.  In the end they had to agree because they knew I can't support me let alone them, so they wanted to keep things casual.  Lately it's made me not even want to date.  It's really bumming me out at times.

 

 

 

 

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TonyZXT wrote:Overall I'm

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Overall I'm still a nice guy, and respectful of women, but learning game at that point in my life was the most powerful thing that could have happened to me.  Now I'm upfront with women about how I am, and that until I find the right person, I'm dating different people.  Most nice guys would assume that would ruin your chances with a lot of girls, but framed right it actually helps. I've had a couple girls accuse me of having commitment issues because I won't date just one person right now.  I told them that's the farthest thing from the truth, that I'm not happy that my situation is making it really unlikely to find someone to settle down with at this point.  In the end they had to agree because they knew I can't support me let alone them, so they wanted to keep things casual.  Lately it's made me not even want to date.  It's really bumming me out at times.

I have severe 'commitment issues' I have promised myself to never get married again and tell women that upfront. Many don't seem to believe me, but given how much of a pain in the ass divorce was even though my ex and I got along every step of the way, I will never be legally married again. I hate lawyers and hate giving them money, especially for something that had been settled in a friendly way over a bottle of wine. I also refuse to be in a monogamous relationship which narrows the field a little. Personally, I think accusations of commitment issues from women is actually possessiveness issues on their part.

 

I maintain that it is irrational to expect a single person to be able to fulfill all of your emotional and physical needs and desires forever. A monogamous marriage puts a lot of pressure on both parties to often be things that they can't be or accept being miserable because things are good enough. It doesn't seem practical to me to expect that from someone else or to believe that you can provide it for them. 

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LOL..what is so STUPID is

LOL..what is so STUPID is that an atheist IS non-religioius but if you put atheist some people think you're a mutant however if you just say non-religious that sounds a lot better although probably stilll a turn off to some psycho Christians.

 

 

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Beyond Saving wrote:I have

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I have severe 'commitment issues' I have promised myself to never get married again and tell women that upfront. Many don't seem to believe me, but given how much of a pain in the ass divorce was even though my ex and I got along every step of the way, I will never be legally married again. I hate lawyers and hate giving them money, especially for something that had been settled in a friendly way over a bottle of wine. I also refuse to be in a monogamous relationship which narrows the field a little. Personally, I think accusations of commitment issues from women is actually possessiveness issues on their part.

 I maintain that it is irrational to expect a single person to be able to fulfill all of your emotional and physical needs and desires forever. A monogamous marriage puts a lot of pressure on both parties to often be things that they can't be or accept being miserable because things are good enough. It doesn't seem practical to me to expect that from someone else or to believe that you can provide it for them. 

 Don't get me wrong... it will take a TON to get me to marry again.  Pretty much for some of the same reasons.  Luckily our divorce was cheap, and anyway she cheated so she paid 100% of it.   When I first got separated and realized it was over, I doubted monogamy itself, swore I'd never ever get married again.  I've backed off that position somewhat now.  I still won't get in to a monogamous relationship 'til I'm sure I want to give it a real shot.  I've told people straight up... I WILL NOT get married again unless things are going extremely well, and have been for a couple of years.  People who haven't been through it don't realize how marriage can change a relationship for the worse, and how frickin' horrible divorce is.

My ex and I both agreed that no one should get married before they've lived together for at least a year, to make SURE they're compatible.  Now she's engaged to the man she's been with for six months, and getting my kids attached to him!!!!   Some people never learn!

 

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LOL..what is so STUPID is that an atheist IS non-religioius but if you put atheist some people think you're a mutant however if you just say non-religious that sounds a lot better although probably stilll a turn off to some psycho Christians.

 

 I've been saying for years that the Christians are kicking our ass with language, and getting their buzzwords into popular culture.  They manage to load innocent words with such baggage, for instance: 'family' used to be the most innocent word in the world.  Now fundamentalists have loaded so much BS meaning into that word that if a Christian starts talking about family too much it starts to make me wonder if they're a "lifer" and a fundamentalist.  "Family" in certain contexts, or coming from certain people makes me think of right wing Christian's desire to control the way we live.  Another good example of them winning the language battle, and getting words into the popular consciousness is the phrase "have a blessed day."  Years ago I only used to hear that once in a blue moon, and it usually came from some ultra religious nutter.  Now every other time I go into a store I hear it.

  The word Atheist has been demonized and drug through the mud, and linked with words like communist during McCarthyism and the cold-war.  They've successfully linked it to Hitler and Stalin in many people's minds..  Until we figure out how to take it back and give it positive connotations that won't change.  I really need to start a thread based on just this!

 

 

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 Hey TonyZXT,

I've never been married or divorced, but I just got out of a three year relationship. I tried the OkCupid dating site and ended up with a couple of really nice dates. I supposed it wasn't really about finding any one person or starting a serious relationship. For me dating again is more about not sitting at home, miserable, thinking about him. If I did that then we would end right back together negating the logical, good reasons that we had broken up for in the first place. I'm about to graduate with my B.A. in May, so I have no idea where I'll be living in the next 6 months, (I've applied for numerous P.h.D. programs across the states) and I'm at an exciting point in my life. I want to be happy. Making myself happy includes putting myself out there and  meeting new people. But it is scary sometimes, and it definitely puts you out of your comfort zone! Good luck, and I'm sorry to hear about your divorce.

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I am currently getting

I am currently getting divorced, but it's a really easy break up and we are actually very friendly with each other so I have no complaints about this divorce.....actually it's going very well I must say, taking 3 years (1 year we tried to fix it) but so far we are taking slow and not spending any money that doesn't need to be spent. 

In the dating scene I must say it went well for me, I never really lost my touch, alway flirted, although my wife at the time knew very well that I was committed to her (the reason for the break up was mainly financial/communication issues). So it was actually pretty easy for me to get back into the dating scene, and since I wasn't looking for a relationship I partied with my friends when I didn't have my daughter, went patio bar hopping, went to clubs, just went out to do anything instead of staying at home (yoga and volleyball....amazing the women you find there Laughing out loud ). I tend to talk it up with people easily enough and with women it's easier, then again I have no shame and don't really care if someone likes me or not, at the worst case scenario they turn me down, and in then end for me, that's a eh, whatever situation, it doesn't bother me at all. Now I am with a woman, who has moved in with me and her 2 kids (at this age I find it hard to find a woman without kids....plus i have 1) and we still go out when we don't have the kids and we still enjoy our time together.

 


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23, divorced at 28. I've been single for fifteen years. My level of vitriol varies. Ultimately it comes down in my mind to fear of losing another house, etc. It sounds materialistic but the damn things take so long to buy I'd hate to lose the one I have now.

I wouldn't rule out doing it all again but at 43 I can't help being open to the suspicion I never will again. Life tends towards the sum of small decisions. I'm so defensive a woman has never lived in my house since October 11, 1995, or even had a key.

I think you could argue singledom is better than an ordinary/bad relationship but a good relationship is better than single. It's a shame, really. Wish I had waited till my thirties and made a grownup decision. Chuckle.  

Good luck with it - there are plenty of fantastic women in the world and so long as you don't annoy them (or they don't decide to be annoyed) they might not eat your over their shoulder during marital intercourse.

 

 

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 Hey TonyZXT,

I've never been married or divorced, but I just got out of a three year relationship. I tried the OkCupid dating site and ended up with a couple of really nice dates. I supposed it wasn't really about finding any one person or starting a serious relationship. For me dating again is more about not sitting at home, miserable, thinking about him. If I did that then we would end right back together negating the logical, good reasons that we had broken up for in the first place. I'm about to graduate with my B.A. in May, so I have no idea where I'll be living in the next 6 months, (I've applied for numerous P.h.D. programs across the states) and I'm at an exciting point in my life. I want to be happy. Making myself happy includes putting myself out there and  meeting new people. But it is scary sometimes, and it definitely puts you out of your comfort zone! Good luck, and I'm sorry to hear about your divorce.

 

Sounds like you're at a fun time... nothing to really tie you down to one place.  Enjoy this while you can, and don't settle for anything less than what you want.  I tried OkCupid too, but honestly I prefer Plentyoffish.com.  Met several people from there.

 

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 I tend to talk it up with people easily enough and with women it's easier, then again I have no shame and don't really care if someone likes me or not, at the worst case scenario they turn me down, and in then end for me, that's a eh, whatever situation, it doesn't bother me at all.

 

 

That's the best attitude you can have... I actually taught my friend to think that way.  It took a while, but now he's almost more ballsy than me talking to girls.  I tried teaching another one of my friends, but he's like the poster child for "nice guys that finish last" so I couldn't get him to come around at all.  He practically kneels in front of girls, and says "here's all my power!"  Frustrating to watch lol.

 

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23, divorced at 28. I've been single for fifteen years. My level of vitriol varies. Ultimately it comes down in my mind to fear of losing another house, etc. It sounds materialistic but the damn things take so long to buy I'd hate to lose the one I have now.

I wouldn't rule out doing it all again but at 43 I can't help being open to the suspicion I never will again. Life tends towards the sum of small decisions. I'm so defensive a woman has never lived in my house since October 11, 1995, or even had a key.

I think you could argue singledom is better than an ordinary/bad relationship but a good relationship is better than single. It's a shame, really. Wish I had waited till my thirties and made a grownup decision. Chuckle.  

Good luck with it - there are plenty of fantastic women in the world and so long as you don't annoy them (or they don't decide to be annoyed) they might not eat your over their shoulder during marital intercourse.

 

Wow, I can honestly say I have felt like that, but it didn't last all that long.  Trust issues that strong have to be super hard to work through... you just have to decide whether you want to try, before you wake up one morning and realize it's too late.  Maybe work on trusting women more, little by little.  Talking to someone about it would be a wise choice if you want to try to change.  I agree though "singledom" would be ok if you casually date, and have options.  Staying lonely and celibate for long periods of time doesn't seem worth it though IMHO.  You know about the house thing... doesn't the fact that you have it paid off or x amount of equity into when you get married have a lot of bearing on you keeping the house in the event of a divorce?  The other thing is, you can get into a relationship, and let the person know from the beginning that you have serious doubts about marriage without a pre-nup because of the past.  Then you could make an agreement that is fair for both without her taking a house she never paid a penny on.  Just a thought.

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23, divorced at 28. I've been single for fifteen years. My level of vitriol varies. Ultimately it comes down in my mind to fear of losing another house, etc. It sounds materialistic but the damn things take so long to buy I'd hate to lose the one I have now.

I wouldn't rule out doing it all again but at 43 I can't help being open to the suspicion I never will again. Life tends towards the sum of small decisions. I'm so defensive a woman has never lived in my house since October 11, 1995, or even had a key.

I think you could argue singledom is better than an ordinary/bad relationship but a good relationship is better than single. It's a shame, really. Wish I had waited till my thirties and made a grownup decision. Chuckle.  

Good luck with it - there are plenty of fantastic women in the world and so long as you don't annoy them (or they don't decide to be annoyed) they might not eat your over their shoulder during marital intercourse.

 

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Wow, I can honestly say I have felt like that, but it didn't last all that long.  Trust issues that strong have to be super hard to work through... you just have to decide whether you want to try, before you wake up one morning and realize it's too late.  Maybe work on trusting women more, little by little.  Talking to someone about it would be a wise choice if you want to try to change.  I agree though "singledom" would be ok if you casually date, and have options.  Staying lonely and celibate for long periods of time doesn't seem worth it though IMHO.  You know about the house thing... doesn't the fact that you have it paid off or x amount of equity into when you get married have a lot of bearing on you keeping the house in the event of a divorce?  The other thing is, you can get into a relationship, and let the person know from the beginning that you have serious doubts about marriage without a pre-nup because of the past.  Then you could make an agreement that is fair for both without her taking a house she never paid a penny on.  Just a thought.

 

Probably didn't put that right. I've had girlfriends since 1995 - one was 6 years on and off - but just couldn't get around our outrageous desire disparity issues. No matter how much I pleaded she insisted there was no problem. Such a hard thing for a bloke to cope with - the girls have no idea.

I just couldn't risk going into a marriage and kids knowing the sex would be once a month (less once the kids arrived) with total disinterest. At the time we were in our early thirties and as good looking and healthy as we were ever going to be. We broke up about five years ago. She was only single a year as there was another guy waiting in the wings, poor fool. Humorously, given my single state, I might as well have stayed with her and just focused on self satisfaction.

In any case I'm about to start my fourth year of almost unbroken singledom. Did date a preacher's daughter for a month last year but she loved jesus and I just couldn't bear being with some one who used the argument from complexity on me - in bed.

I think it's fair to say though, that after a period of time you do start to ask yourself whether your peculiar set of flaws and phobias should be allowed out of the house. I was about 40 when I realised that if I was a father I would not want my daughter to date me. I've been single but for the preacher's daughter ever since and she had to work extremely hard to breach my defences. There certainly are moments of regret but they don't feel as bad as being fiscally raped by a person you hate.

Moving on from me, p'raps dating agencies are the go for our OP.

"Randy atheist woman with propeller hat required for meaningful relationship..."

I've looked at a few sites lately and there are heaps of ladies out there of all types - lashings of atheists and agnostics - all eager to go walking along the beach, listen to kings of leon and "curl up on the lounge in track pants and watch a good DVD".

Thrilling stuff...

 

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  It's just one more example of how the word has been demonized.  

After I've gotten to know the ladies, they are usually surprised to find out I'm an atheist, but not put off by it.  One girl was shocked, I thought she was going to get in her car and leave, no joke.  Ironically we ended up falling for each other, but she was still a little weirded out by the Atheism.  I slowly got her to understand my position, but I wasn't trying to push the issue or dwell on it.  The fact that I'm a good person and an Atheist seemed to be a surprise.  I was shocked that she had never met an Atheist (that she knew of) despite growing up in the city (near Cleveland.)  

Anyways, interested to hear what other people are going through, what sites you use etc.

If you go onto dating websites and put atheist, it is pretty much the equivalent of putting down child molester. Religion has won over the women by convincing them that men are unfaithful without faith. So there is a huge gender gap for atheist men vs. atheist women.

If you go onto an atheist site http://www.freethinkermatch.com/ here is the ratio:

Total Male Members:  11414 
Total Female Members:  3286  
 

Where as EHarmony(no atheists, no gays) is 58% female. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_dating_service

If you don't want the rejection and hassle of explaining yourself, I would put 'Spiritual but not religious' on your profile. No one can explain what Spiritual really means, but it may make women less likely to think you'll cheat on them than an atheist that doesn't believe in hell for cheaters. You can still be against organized religion, most people know most religions are f****ed up anyways.

 

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If you go onto dating websites and put atheist, it is pretty much the equivalent of putting down child molester. Religion has won over the women by convincing them that men are unfaithful without faith. So there is a huge gender gap for atheist men vs. atheist women.

If you go onto an atheist site http://www.freethinkermatch.com/ here is the ratio:

Total Male Members:  11414 
Total Female Members:  3286  
 

Where as EHarmony(no atheists, no gays) is 58% female. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_dating_service

If you don't want the rejection and hassle of explaining yourself, I would put 'Spiritual but not religious' on your profile. No one can explain what Spiritual really means, but it may make women less likely to think you'll cheat on them than an atheist that doesn't believe in hell for cheaters. You can still be against organized religion, most people know most religions are f****ed up anyways.

 

Since all the men I have known that were cheaters were christian, this seems really odd to me.  My atheist husband has never cheated.  I would know - he can't lie worth shit.

To be clear - if you have an open relationship, then it is not cheating to have sex with someone else.  Cheating is when you violate the partnership agreement you have with another person.  I don't like to share - and neither does my husband - so my relationship is monogamous.  If someone has some other arrangement with their partner, it's none of my business.  It is also cheating to change the rules in the middle of the game without clearing it with your partner.  In that case, you need to sever your relationship first - then go screw around.

 

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Since all the men I have known that were cheaters were christian, this seems really odd to me.  My atheist husband has never cheated.  I would know - he can't lie worth shit.

Oh yes. Christians with a god of convenience(their own), I've met a few of those too.

Is my perception correct, that many women would never date an openly atheist guy because they think he'll cheat(because he doesn't fear God). Or is there another reason? Like what would her parents/friends think of him.

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Since all the men I have known that were cheaters were christian, this seems really odd to me.  My atheist husband has never cheated.  I would know - he can't lie worth shit.

Oh yes. Christians with a god of convenience(their own), I've met a few of those too.

Is my perception correct, that many women would never date an openly atheist guy because they think he'll cheat(because he doesn't fear God). Or is there another reason? Like what would her parents/friends think of him.

I don't think it is that explicit...if those reasons come up, it will be rationalization of a choice already made.

 

I'd guess it is just the generalized social stigma attached to atheism.  In American culture atheist=bad person.

 

For example, you could show research that atheists divorce less than theists and it wouldn't matter because fidelity isn't actually the root cause of the distrust, it is 'the other'.  Many cultures do a good job of making atheists into outsiders.

 

I'd say listing yourself as a Muslim would have similar effect.  Or Communist.

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Since all the men I have known that were cheaters were christian, this seems really odd to me.  My atheist husband has never cheated.  I would know - he can't lie worth shit.

Oh yes. Christians with a god of convenience(their own), I've met a few of those too.

Is my perception correct, that many women would never date an openly atheist guy because they think he'll cheat(because he doesn't fear God). Or is there another reason? Like what would her parents/friends think of him.

 

I think Melle is mostly right.  Those women who join groups - church, garden club, whatever - can be very clique.  So for the church goers, anyone not in the church is suspect.  My sister is really bad about this.  She once told me she would not stop and help someone alongside the road unless she recognized them from her own church group.  She also told me she got mad at her husband who did stop for someone when he didn't know the person.  So I think women often form more exclusionary groups than men do - making a broad generalization.

Personally, I am not a joiner.  And I have always disliked to either be talked about or to talk about other people - men or women.

 

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  Like I said in my

  Like I said in my earlier post I put that I'm non-religious.  Since that's pretty common I don't think it hurts the number of messages i get.  I've even had a couple of church girls contact me, went out on a date with one... was kinda curious if she was the conservative until you get her behind closed doors type.  Wasn't much chemistry though so it didn't go anywhere.  

One thing I find about people I've met who are all weirded out by Atheists is that not one of them knows squat about the bible!  Go figure right?  I think in the two months that I dated the one girl that was all shocked by it, I put a little bit of doubt in her mind without trying.  

On the subject of monogamy, I believe there's a time and a place for it.  The key is both parties being honest with themselves.  Are you ready to be with only one person, is the person you are with that one, are you truly compatible, and are you settling?   So many people settle it's not even funny.  I made that mistake, and never will again.  Right now I'm just chillin' back only dating casually, and I have two FWBs.  One girl I'm dating is really starting to dig me so I need to have a conversation with her prolly later tonight about keeping things slow & casual.  I'm up front with all the girls on where I'm at with all this, but some girls are better than others about keeping feelings at bay.  I try my hardest not to hurt anybody, and don't believe in cheating in a monogamous relationship.  One of these days I'll come across the right person and won't have a problem settling down.  In the mean time I'm having fun.

 

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I've tried dating sites, but

I've tried dating sites, but have never made any connections.  I've tried changing Atheist to agnostic to see if that would help, but still nothing.  Its probably that I never want children or my face is really ugly or maybe just really bad at first impressions.  So I am trying to date, but unsuccessfully.

I've used Eharmony, gk2gk, Match, Matchdoctor, matchmaker, chemistry, plentyoffish, lavalife and okcupid is my current poison.

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I've tried dating sites, but have never made any connections.  I've tried changing Atheist to agnostic to see if that would help, but still nothing.  Its probably that I never want children or my face is really ugly or maybe just really bad at first impressions.  So I am trying to date, but unsuccessfully.

I've used Eharmony, gk2gk, Match, Matchdoctor, matchmaker, chemistry, plentyoffish, lavalife and okcupid is my current poison.

It's just your face Laughing out loud

 

Seriously though, who knows.  I met my wife through match.com, and I thought that site worked pretty well.  Met four really great women through dating sites, met about the same number of goofballs.  My wife claims she almost didn't respond to my initial message because of my profile picture.  I still think it was a studly picture, what does she know?  She had the bad taste to marry me, so obviously she doesn't know much.

 

I did get turned down for a profile on e-harmony.com though, because it said my personality was part of the 10% they couldn't find a match for.  Ouch e-Harmony, that was pretty harsh.  I'm still confused about that, *everyone* who knows me knows I'm just an amazing human being!

 

Dating is weird anyway.  Nothing quite so awkward as being on a date with someone and having zero chemistry.

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Well, at 23, I've never been

Well, at 23, I've never been married or divorced, and I'm not currently in the dating game; I've been in a relationship with an amazing (atheist) guy for 1 year and 4 months. (side note: my last 2 exes were also atheist; I guess I just know how to pick em?) 

I also don't have any experience with dating sites - the closest I've come is signing up for gays.com, which is not really a dating site, but rather more like facebook for LGBT people (I'm bisexual). Being a relatively social college student, I've just managed to find the majority of guys and gals at parties or through friends. I met my current boyfriend when my friend set me up with him - I wasn't even looking for anyone, and when she said that she was going to bring him over to hang out with us, I rolled my eyes and said I wasn't interested in whatever nerdy, asocial, unhygienic engineer she was trying to set me up with. But then when he actually showed up, I realized he was nothing like that stereotype, and I thought he was actually pretty good-looking. The rest is history. 

However, I guess you could say that he and I have recently entered the "dating game" as a couple. We really want to have a threesome with another woman, and since one of us (him) just recently settled into a place with no roommates, we are now on the lookout. We are considering signing up for adultfriendfinder.com. Does anyone have experience with that website? Is it worth our time? We don't want to catch STDs or anything, and we're not sure how reputable the site and its users are. 

Anyways, sorry to hear about everyone's divorces, but it sounds like y'all are coping well and in healthy situations now. Best of luck in the dating game!

 


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I did get turned down for a profile on e-harmony.com though, because it said my personality was part of the 10% they couldn't find a match for.  Ouch e-Harmony, that was pretty harsh.  I'm still confused about that, *everyone* who knows me knows I'm just an amazing human being!

 

OUCH! I'm sorry to hear that! I didn't even know that they do that! 

My boyfriend took the initial questionnaire for eharmony and was planning on signing up - he had never even kissed anyone, let alone been in a serious relationship, before he met me, and he figured it was about time, so he was going to try online dating. However, as per my previous post, our mutual friend ended up setting us up and we clicked, so he never actually had to go through with signing up. 

I don't approve of them anyway, because of their anti-gay stance. 


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 (the reason for the break up was mainly financial/communication issues)

Could you elaborate on this a little.  It just happens to be that me and my girlfriend of three years decided to split up tnite, the main issue, money.  I'm a carpenter, the construction industry is tuff and it is very difficult to keep employed.  I do a combo of working by the hour and taking as many side jobs as I can where I can make good money ($800-1000 a day) but those jobs are hard to come by.  Last summer, I put it all on the line to try for a better life for us.  I partnered with an investor and flipped a house.  I put everything I had into it, didn't go out at all, and I did all the work myself, no paycheck for 3 months.  This resulted in us having to take a $3000 loan from wells fargo.  The market being what it is, my super pimped house doesn't want to sell for a profit (25k projected in my pocket)  because of this we are completely screwed, our finances are down the drain, and my girlfriend basically can't handle it, and she has decided to leave.  Money money money moooneey!


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 It just happens to be that me and my girlfriend of three years decided to split up tnite, the main issue, money.  

Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear that! I hope everything works out! Money shouldn't matter, but from other peoples' experiences, it sounds like that's not always the case.  


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 It just happens to be that me and my girlfriend of three years decided to split up tnite, the main issue, money.  

Oh no, I'm so sorry to hear that! I hope everything works out! Money shouldn't matter, but from other peoples' experiences, it sounds like that's not always the case.  

Money from what I hear and can tell is one of if not the THE most common reason couples fight, and eventually break up because of.  Sad but true, it's like money problems are more than they seem, and the mountain of problems many relationships seem to hide under the vail that is "money problems," when it's probably much deeper.  If the relationship made any sense, money shouldn't be an issue I guess, but it always seems to be. 


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I don't think it is money, really, it is that lack of money causes a lot of stress and that stress is disruptive.  In our society there isn't much else that causes that kind of direct, unrelenting pressure like poverty (Outside of being ill anyway).

 

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Money from what I hear and can tell is one of if not the THE most common reason couples fight, and eventually break up because of.  Sad but true, it's like money problems are more than they seem, and the mountain of problems many relationships seem to hide under the vail that is "money problems," when it's probably much deeper.  If the relationship made any sense, money shouldn't be an issue I guess, but it always seems to be. 

Yeah, I've heard that about money before. I guess it really is true... I know that I don't care how much my bf makes. He did recently ditch his old job for an opportunity that pays more, but it most certainly was not at my urging or insisting. It was simply an opportunity that he felt he'd be foolish to pass up. I'm happy for him either way. But I also am still a student, and am technically living off of "daddy's money" right now. Plus, once I'm done with undergrad, I'm thinking that I'll pursue a PhD, in which case I'll only "earn" whatever the university decides to give me as a stipend (usually around 20K a year). Soo needless to say, I won't really be earning a lot of money until I'm 30ish, and even then, will probably never be the primary breadwinner if my current relationship should continue. I guess my point is that as someone who is relatively broke, I appreciate any effort at making and saving money. But I guess that's a rather "romantic" ideal in a world where we're expected to pay bills and make people happy using financial means. 

 

At any rate, I hope you find happiness, and don't let someone dissuade you from what you want to do. 


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 (the reason for the break up was mainly financial/communication issues)

Could you elaborate on this a little.  It just happens to be that me and my girlfriend of three years decided to split up tnite, the main issue, money.  I'm a carpenter, the construction industry is tuff and it is very difficult to keep employed.  I do a combo of working by the hour and taking as many side jobs as I can where I can make good money ($800-1000 a day) but those jobs are hard to come by.  Last summer, I put it all on the line to try for a better life for us.  I partnered with an investor and flipped a house.  I put everything I had into it, didn't go out at all, and I did all the work myself, no paycheck for 3 months.  This resulted in us having to take a $3000 loan from wells fargo.  The market being what it is, my super pimped house doesn't want to sell for a profit (25k projected in my pocket)  because of this we are completely screwed, our finances are down the drain, and my girlfriend basically can't handle it, and she has decided to leave.  Money money money moooneey!

 

Sorry to hear that man. I broke up with my first serious girlfriend over money. I had lost my money in a very similar way as you, through what turned out to be a bad business investment. I was going into eating ramen mode and she kept trying to spend like she had her whole life. When she bitched to me that I should go do something to make more money I suggested that if she wanted more money so much she should go make it. Then she left. Some people just can't handle the idea of going broke and because of our culture many people think making money is mostly up to the man. There is a social stigma about being 
"poor" but I have always thought being poor was more of a state of mind than your financial situation. Money comes and goes and you can go from being completely broke to being flush with money in a very short timespan or go from being flush with money to being completely broke in one night. Unfortunately, many people rely on money to make them happy and there isn't much you can do to change that.  

 

Ironically, my ex-wife stayed with me all the time I was broke and we got divorced after I started making money because when we started deciding how to spend the money we realized that we wanted to head two completely different places with our lives. It never occurred to us to discuss what we would want  to do if we ever had money when we got married.  

 

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Money is a real issue... No

Money is a real issue... No doubt.... and I don't want to underplay it's importance...

 

But not ot be Overly Fruedian... finances are often the vehicle that couples with vent their sexual frustration through... Relationships are difficult enough to negoatiate...especially when there are kids involved... but when one factors in a less than fullfilling sex life, the trials of having to navigate theough life's travails becomes increasingly difficult. Couples who "get their freak on" with one another tend to support one another in their endeavors out of the bedromm, which often translates into other aspects of their relationship, like finances....

 

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that the complex nature of relationships suggests that different dynamics within the relationship will all effect the others... While good sex isn't *THE* answer to longevity... I will suggest that it helps create an interdependancy, rather than two, independant people co-existing.


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I don't think it is money, really, it is that lack of money causes a lot of stress and that stress is disruptive.  In our society there isn't much else that causes that kind of direct, unrelenting pressure like poverty (Outside of being ill anyway).

 

Money may or may not be the root of all evil.  But lack of money is certainly the root of all desperation.

 

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Im about to go through a divorce so yeah i guess once im over being completely pissed and decieved, i'll get back in the dating game....ugh!

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I've tried dating sites, but have never made any connections.  I've tried changing Atheist to agnostic to see if that would help, but still nothing.  Its probably that I never want children or my face is really ugly or maybe just really bad at first impressions.  So I am trying to date, but unsuccessfully.

I've used Eharmony, gk2gk, Match, Matchdoctor, matchmaker, chemistry, plentyoffish, lavalife and okcupid is my current poison.

What I've been doing the last few years is getting short term contract work in different places in the USA. Then between jobs travelling internationally. So I have much better luck, much better sex. I think you get into a rut in the same city with the same routine.

I think if you're not tied down with a wife or kids this ought to be the life you strive for. I wouldn't waist much money on these web sites.

 

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