I think Jesus was a hipnotiser

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I think Jesus was a hipnotiser

 

I think Jesus was a hipnotiser and all the things he did were tricks.

I think the prophets used some narcotics.


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I think Jesus was a hipnotiser and all the things he did were tricks.

I think the prophets used some narcotics.

 

 

                        Jesus was a fictional charactor, he never existed.

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Maybe Tamas is right.

Tamas wrote:

 

I think Jesus was a hipnotiser and all the things he did were tricks.

I think the prophets used some narcotics.

 

It would explain why I used to go cross-eyed in church during dad's revelations sermons.

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I think Elvis was abducted by alians. That why he make such great poetry. The guitar was a mind control weapon... but it need cocaine to work.

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Jesus was a fictional charactor, he never existed.

 

 

I am not quite convinced on that account. Sure, nobody who was in a position to notice bothered to remark on all of the things that are supposed to have happened. However, that case is based on absence of evidence.

 

So sure, there must be quite a bit of BS in the story. Yet, there are a few things that we know to be accurate.

 

Fact: Herod existed. His actual grave was found in the 70's.

 

Fact: Pilate existed. The Romans were pretty good at keeping records as far as whom they put in charge of the provinces.

 

Lie: Feeding thousands of people from a picnic basket.

 

Lie: Walking on water.

 

Lie: Causing riots that nobody noticed.

 

Now, there were doubtless many itinerant preachers running around at the time. Apart from the general crap that was added to the stories over the centuries, I could see that some of the teachings may have had a basis in some of what those guys said.

 

Add a bit of midrash and there you go.

 

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Jeffrick wrote:Tamas wrote:I

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Tamas wrote:

I think Jesus was a hipnotiser and all the things he did were tricks.

I think the prophets used some narcotics.

                        Jesus was a fictional charactor, he never existed.

My information is, that he was an actor. He took an ancient legend from mystical tradition and re-acted it with his own life. I don't know where the fictional details like virgin birth or birth in a stable came from. These teachers of ages don't take care to be original or precise, they teach people a story and say that next time there will be another teacher, and so there is. After a few millenia, there's no telling if that was a historical person or re-edition of legend, because it was both. A historical person repeating a legend.

It really reminds me of Frank Herbert's Missionaria Protectiva tactics of the Bene Gesserit witch clan. In good sense, of course.

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                 There is a reason I never respond to your flakey posts,  Jesus as an actor ranks right up there. The only reason I'm responding now is because you put my name on it.  Jesus as an actor, you gotta be kidding!!!!! Sober up and think about it.

 

 

                 In English we call Joshua Bar Yuseph a ' composite charactor' , he was made up from several sources; mostly fictional gods themselves, and maybe from a few itinerate preachers but no ONE real person, Paul of Tarsus used the composite for his mystical messiah.  Paul never pretended it was a real person.

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                 There is a reason I never respond to your flakey posts,  Jesus as an actor ranks right up there. The only reason I'm responding now is because you put my name on it.  Jesus as an actor, you gotta be kidding!!!!! Sober up and think about it.

                 In English we call Joshua Bar Yuseph a ' composite charactor' , he was made up from several sources; mostly fictional gods themselves, and maybe from a few itinerate preachers but no ONE real person, Paul of Tarsus used the composite for his mystical messiah.  Paul never pretended it was a real person.

Well, going around spreading a spiritual teaching is ancient tradition. The legend re-created every time needs to involve someone of noble or half-divine birth, then he goes around, does miraculous things, overcomes hardship, dies, and gets resurrected in heaven. This is supposed to be a symbolic story of human development, which each one of us can gradually achieve. The single stages of the story have of course a symbolical meaning accustomed to local culture, for example the way Heracles killed hydra, that is a demonstration of victory over emotions.


Depending on time and local culture, the story is ocassionally re-told by a group of followers of these mystical teachings, but the main one doing the work outwardly must be one guy. Then his surviving followers usually found a new religion, which unfortunately takes a life of it's own. But in the core, all major religions are the same, they describe the same things, teach reincarnation, and so on. It's quite impossible to all this progress like Jesus did in one incarnation. He just displayed it in a speeded up form, symbolically as the major milestones of his life.

Of course I'm not sure about what he did or didn't say and do, except of getting nailed on a cross, which lots of people did around that time. But I think we can agree that this legend is pretty much artificial and spreaded on purpose by people involved in the cause. Specially, by members of mystical sects, like Paul was. Mystical sects have inner cores to which they won't allow just anybody and Paul wrote some hints about that.

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Luminon wrote:Jeffrick

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Jeffrick wrote:

Tamas wrote:

I think Jesus was a hipnotiser and all the things he did were tricks.

I think the prophets used some narcotics.

                        Jesus was a fictional charactor, he never existed.

My information is, that he was an actor. ... A historical person repeating a legend.

It really reminds me of Frank Herbert's Missionaria Protectiva tactics of the Bene Gesserit witch clan. In good sense, of course.

I read that issue of...(insert name of idiotic pop magazine) too.  He totally is an actor, and that makes sense why he uses narcotics and has like his own spiritual guru that like totally teaches him all about homeopathy and mass hypnosis and stuff.  He's also totally dreamy and likes Guess underwear.  His turn-on's are killing lambs and water skiing.  Turn-offs are like people that rat on him, and doubting Thomases.  

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