Duhhh..

You 'projected' that YOU did not think that he was really sorry.

False.

Look up 'Fundamental Attribution Error'.

You 'projected' that it was unfortunate for 'him', when it's unfortunate for the ones making the claim.

I added plenty.

You don't even know when you're 'projecting'.

So, I've shown that you're not too fucking bright...

Duhhh...Never come across a rhetorical question?

I've busted every fallacy of yours, with ease...

Obviously, I disagree.

Since you're not very objective, I have to remain skeptical that I'm correct, and that you're not very astute.

No.

I've pointed out how your responses were aimed 'at' him, and not 'at' his comments.

And you're pissy about it.

Case in point...

Thanks, Captain Obvious...

Ooooooo, another lippy egomaniac. Weeee!!!

Any time you wanna bring it, let me know...

Have you got any actual intellect, or just a smart mouth?

We are battling “atheists” in the wrong arena.  It has been the arena of their choosing:  the arena of deception.  And as we do battle there, they are systematically trying to take God out of America, and they are walking right into our schools and destroying our children.  Enough is enough.  Let’s do battle in the arena of our choosing:  the arena of Truth.

In Psalm 14:1 it is written, “The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”

The Word of God says that the person says it, not that they believe it.

John 1:9 says, “The true light that gives light to every man was coming into the world.”

No person is without the revelation of God.

John 15:18 says, “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated Me first.”

It is impossible for someone to hate Christians without first hating Jesus.  And it is impossible for someone to hate someone that they don’t believe exists.

PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF GOD

(Have you been in those mind twisting, frustrating debates and arguments with professed “atheists” trying to prove to them that God exists?  God set me free from that.  It’s not your responsibility to prove the existence of God.  It’s God’s responsibility.  And He’s already done it.  He has proven His existence through Creation, Conscience, and Christ, the Word of God.

You no longer have to try to prove the existence of God, but only to inform professed “atheists” that they already know God is there, God knows that they know, and He’s holding them accountable.)

Romans 1:18-20

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has make it plain to them.  For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

Creation proves the existence of God.

Romans 2:14-16

(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required  by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)  This will take place on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

Your conscience proves the existence of God.

Romans 10:18

But I ask: Did they not hear?  Of course they did:

     “Their voice has gone out into all the earth,

       their words to the ends of the world.”

Christ, the Word of God, proves the existence of God.

Since God gives witness of His existence to every person, no person can honestly say they do not believe there is a God.

So what is really going on?

Psalm 2:1-3

Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain?

The kings of the earth take their stand

and the rulers gather together

against the Lord

and against his Anointed One.

“Let us break their chains,” they say,

“and throw off their fetters.”

(Rebellion against God is what really is going on.)

What is God’s response to this rebellion?

Psalm 2:4-9

The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them.

Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying,

“I have installed my King on Zion, my holy hill.”

I will proclaim the decree of the Lord:

He said to me, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.

Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.  You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

(The One you are rebelling against will still be enthroned as King.  God’s purposes will prevail regardless of any rebellion.)

God, in his grace, now gives you a choice.

Psalm 2:10-12

Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned you rulers of the earth.

Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling.

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way,

For his wrath can flare up in a moment.

Blessed are all who take refuge in him.

(A person can either continue in rebellion and be destroyed, or they can take refuge in Christ and escape God’s wrath.)

So, here’s the deal:

They know God is there, and He knows they know.  And He’s holding them accountable.

For whatever reason, they are in rebellion against Him.  It’s okay to talk to Him about why, but it’s not okay to continue in their rebellion.

He’s giving them the opportunity to turn away from this rebellion and turn to Christ.

The decision is theirs.  But they must make one—stay in their rebellion and face destruction, or repent and find refuge in Christ.

But we must not let them continue to wage their battle in deception.  They can’t take God away from us, and they can no longer seek to destroy out children.

Wow.  Really?? 

You didn't answer my question sir.  What created God? 

As an Atheist, I am not poisoning anyone.  A few noble facts about Mr. O.

I counsel recovering addicts nightly at a halfway house.

I volunteer every friday morning at our local soup kitchen called "the daily bread".

I mentor children in afterschool programs because their parents are too busy to love them. The group I am in was just in an article in our local newspaper.

In no way does my theology, or lack of make me a bad person. I am not in need of redemption.  I do good things because it makes me and the people I interact with happier.  But I am a wicked atheist right? Uh huh. Tell that to my mother and she will bitch slap you for being ignorant.

Proof that two hands working, does more than millions clasped in prayer.

You sir, are the one who has been brainwashed and decieved. There were many Gods before your God.  Do you believe so strongly in those as well??

If not, guess what, you are an Atheist too....I just go one God further. Several Gods actually.

Bible scripture.....wow, really?  I happen to know alot about your bible.  If you would like, I will gladly list, and display all the many errancies and contradictions found throughout your holy text.......But it would be a waste of time for one so diluded as yourself.

You imply that I hate christians.  You don't fucking know me asshat.  I.....don't hate anyone.  Unlike those of your religion who have murdered millions in the name of your God.

We are not a christian nation my Theist friend.  Thomas Jefferson stated that quite clearly, as well as Madison, and Adams.....separation of church and state......that speaks for itself. 

People like you are in the decline..........the world is starting to wake up.....

I only hope that you don't have any children that you have indoctrinated with your false belief system.....poor kids never had a chance.

You in no way proved the existence of God.  Or what created God.  Scripture is no source of reference for proof. 

BAaaaaaAAAaaA.....that is the sound a sheep makes...

Me??? Destroyed???? Take a look at the numbers, world wide, Christianity is in a steady decline. Your 'truth" will soon become Ancient History to be taught in schools...just like the greek and roman gods, icelandic gods, native american gods.......and so on and so forth.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself."

Friedrich Nietzsche
German philosopher (1844 - 1900)

I own myself.....You, are a slave to indoctrination....

Of all the belief systems, at least you picked the coolest one.

thanks for answering.

mr. O

Uh...this theist(as well as a multitude of other theists) readily accept the big bang theory as well as evolution as the best explanation of the origins of the universe and the diversity of life on earth.

So.....perhaps you meant creationists rather than theists?

If you can prove to me that every organized religion in America can agree on practically anything, I'd be impressed.  The only reason for even inter denominational agreement is imposed personal experience. But, everyone likes a good ghost story.

Fixed

I think David T the theist pretty much covered the fundamentalist response in classic style. First he offered up the usual ad hominem assault before introducing his cosmological argument and a fallacy from complexity and then that vibrant wall of bible quotes comprising a wasteland of baseless assertion.

The other guy who was claiming that theists and atheists alike can't prove their big claims needs to pay attention to scientific modelling. We're for the best evidence at the time, recognising its weaknesses and seeking to know more. Only theists insist they know everything. They are in love with a theological model.

And dude, science is not the atheist doctrine, it's just the best way for humans to establish facts about reality. Would theists prefer to fly in aeroplanes that instead of being serviced by highly qualified technicians are prayed over by the ladies of the Country Womens Association?

I thought not. 

I'll never understand how they even entertain that canard.

Is that like a confession that without a threat from a supernatural deity that they would be immoral?

They keep making references to animals, but what animal species are even close to being as savage as devoutly religious people have been historically?

"There are dozens of highly possible means that biological life could have emerged from inorganic matter."

Name a couple of the dozens of "highly possible means." If it were so likely to happen, why don't cant scientists figure out how to make life out of the said inorganic matter? Maybe because they aren't highly possible means?

I do wonder how well we'd be able to do it, if only because we can't duplicate the full process which is what most of them would demand and if we somehow reset time to various points the evolutionary history of earth could be wildly different with just a few things going differently.

 First we have to define our terms. What do you mean by God? Do you mean invisible sky-daddy who grants wishes? If so, then I agree. There is no God. 

On the other hand. If we were to say that creation is not separate or distinct from God, but is an extension of God, then God exists by definition; we defined him that way. But that doesn't really explain anything.

So what is God? God is the mysterious origin of all, the infinitesimal point at the very beginning and center of creation. He is also the infinite circumference of all; he is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end of all and everything. He exists prior to creation and simultaneously encompasses the whole. 

Such lofty concepts. Clearly beyond human comprehension and practically devoid of meaning. 

Is that even rational?

Sure, if you're a pragmatist. The whole point to this (in part at least) is to begin to see the connectedness, the interdependence, the unity of creation; to feel a reverence for the Universe and its workings. To wonder with a sense of astonishment and awe.

In other words, the concept of God is useful for meditation, as food for thought. It's fun to ponder such lofty concepts. And it works. You may begin to feel more connected to things, more a part of something bigger than yourself. (Of course this doesn't excuse typical religious beliefs.)

Besides, it takes a mind to distinguish one thing from another. Things have no REAL independent existence. That is where true rational thought begins: at the beginning.