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Thanks for the update. I know that YOU dont believe that. I am saying that when you compare ANY myth, including ones you don't buy, to comic books, there is no difference.
Claiming that virgins can pop out a baby with no second set of DNA is the same to me as claiming superman can stop bullets with his chest. Claiming that adults pop out of dirt is no different to me than claiming that Wonder Woman has a magic rope.
BOTH require suspension of skepticism. The only difference is degree of skepticism. You can enjoy a superman movie without believing that superman can stop bullets with his chest. You cannot enjoy a virgin birth story without literally believing it.
MY POINT IS you blindly accept one fantastic claim while rightfully rejecting another for the mere story it is. BUT BOTH your myth and the comic book make fantastic claims.
Thor making lightening was once a literal belief. The sun being a god was once a literal belief. I see no difference between the myths and comic books you RIGHTFULLY reject for clearly obvious reasons, and your own claims as well.
The only difference between you and I is that I reject one more myth than you do.
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What I asked if your use of Bible quotes was your plan of attack, means your method of approach. How is that suggesting you are attacking?
The words in the Bible are words that have as much validity as a discussion in regards to Enki, Anu and Enlil.
The truth that you and other believers promote based in storytelling and legends that have no basis in reality?
Don't hold your breath, at least not for long.
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"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Whether or not one accepts the category of spiritual has no bearing on there being a category of spiritual.
The ruach, the spirit of life breathed into Adam formed a living soul. Until that time mankind lived in walking, talking, breathing flesh bodies but they were not spiritually alive. Adam was the first living soul.
i have questions, not meant as an attack on your faith. most of my questions fall in this category by the way. i am agnostic. if you can honestly prove to me that God exists, I will jump on your bandwagon. You got a chance with me.
what would you have called yourself before Christ was born? Would you have been Led to go to the Jews and beg them to let you be Jewish? Same type of question, what would you have been before the bible was written?
What was God to you before you read the Bible? You admit you were aware, and the bible was confirmation?
Can you define God without the bible? Define for me God without using scripture please. You sort of say you can have god without the bible.
also: if you say i have to take things on faith and no evidence, i will refer you to my own introduction. and i do not find the bible acceptable as evidence. hearsay and circumstantial.
As some believe "errors and contradictions of scripture" are "kept from laity," I assure you....the knowledge of God is kept from those who treat His Words as myth.
You don't know the "real Jesus" yet. The arrogance of your religion of atheism won't allow it.
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For that to be true you have to first establish that the spiritual is a reality. No one in human history has done that, much less a polytheist or monotheistic god by any NAME.
God/spirit both rely on the credulity that thinking can happen outside a material process.
Go work on getting "spirit theory" as solid as DNA and you will have something. I will hold my breath for your evidence as long as I do for claims of Big Foot and Ouija Boards.
Good luck with that. I am sure if you accomplish that you will win the Nobel Prize.
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Why do you say that? I reject that those of the Jewish faith don't accept Christ as the fulfillment of what was to be. I certainly don't reject the Old Testament.
I don't follow.
Because the Sumerians had a written language before the Adamic line doesn't mean the history, as written in the Torah, didn't happen before that of the Sumerians...just written later.
Why don't you choose? I might be able to answer....I might not. Just know, they are not myths or fables.
How did those three men live? Was it literally or spiritually? Was the fire literal fire or deception? The "talking snake" is the serpent...Satan. He's still hissing in ears today.
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No Brian, I said a childlike belief was the beginning. Learning is important for knowledge strengthens faith.
Proverbs 4:4-7 He taught me also, and said unto me, "Let thine heart retain my words: "Keep my commandments, and live. Get wisdom, get understanding: Forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth. Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: Love her, and she shall keep thee. wisdom is the principal thing: therefore get wisdom: And with all thy getting get understanding.
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God created DNA. He took the rib of Adam, which properly translated is curve...which I see as the helix curve, DNA, from Adam to form Eve. Could He not also take Mary's DNA which was from both the line of Judah and Levi to form Christ....His only begotten Son?
I do literally believe it. I literally believe all that I read until and unless I see that it is to be understood spiritually.
Right I get it. Just because evidence of magic doesn't exist it doesn't mean that magic doesn't exists. It's like with the Harry Potter stories. God is like the ministry of magic. He keeps normal moogle people from knowing about magic, but the special elect witches and wizards get a magical invitation to go get together with the other witches and wizards where they all learn together from a magical book.
OK, have it "Yahweh" "child like belief is the beginning"
No human starts out with adult knowledge. Once again your biblical view of what we are and what we seek are STILL childish.
I am addressing HOW WE GROW UP, not the fact we start out ignorant. As I said, if you still believe in invisible men at your age you might as well believe in pink unicorns. Having an adult imagination does not mean an adult can separate their ability to fall for elaborate scams, and dream up ways to sell what they believe, means that they have evidence for what they believe. It merely means they have adult imaginations.
Maturity is when you don't confuse your wishes as being more important than your ability to demonstrate your claims.
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As you see man is born with original sin requiring the Jesus to die as a sacrifice you are in opposition to Jewish belief from the start.
Jews consider man to be born with a pure soul and can return it to the god in the same condition.
Is it your blinders?
From the start the Jews do not require the god to kill part of himself to redeem them from an original sin, see above.
The mashiach, what you call a messiah was considered to be the one to institute the god's kingdom on the Earth. The Jesus does not meet any of their requirements or prophecies. The prophecies used most generally by Christians are not considered to be prophecies related to the Jewish mashiach. If you'd like to examine this in detail, list the OT scriptures you consider to be related prophecies and why? I'll be glad to give you the Jewish interpretations of the same quotes.
Keep telling your self that. This is more of, I know he's real, he's real.
If the god of the Hebrews was anywhere to be found before the time of Abraham's departure from the homeland of the Moon god Sin, please indicate where. One would think something would exist besides the Canaanite versions of El and Yahweh also sometimes know as Ba'al and his/their wife Ashtoret or Asherah as part of their pantheon which had basis in the gods of Sumer.
Let's discuss the supposed invasion of Palestine by Joshua.
Start with the supposed destruction of Jericho and Ai.
There is also a very long thread on all of the OT in this thread - http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/17279 and we have already discussed this there, so you can go see my views on it there. We are currently at the end of 1 Samuel. If you hang out for a few years, we may get to the end of the OT by then.
The writings of Daniel are from the 2nd century BCE written during the Jewish Wars against Antiochus IV.
For a very, very detailed discussion on this see this thread - http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/20506 There are well over 1000 posts in it and we have reached Daniel 11 just recently. The Daniel discussion begins somewhere around page 5 or 6.
My view is the book of Daniel was written for the purpose of analogy, using storytelling and fiction to get across the author's intent to the Jews, that the god would see to it that they won out in the end against the Seleucids and Antiochus. If you wish to discuss this content, go to that thread, I imagine that Gramps would appreciate your help by now as he's been floundering lately.
The serpent in Genesis is once again nothing but a snake in Judaism, not the god's servant prosecutor angel the Satan.
So you now have another disagreement with Jews that you have expressed.
As I always ask those that claim Satan warred with the god and fell with a number of angels, where exactly is this described in the OT. Not the NT Revelation account, as that was written far far after the supposed Torah account in Genesis regarding the Adam and Eve characters. Where in the OT is the fall of the angels and the Satan?
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"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Ribs don't spiral like a staircase.
Would you believe a Muslim who claimed that a verse in the Koran proved that Allah was the one true god because of a verse talking about mountains moving? That must mean Muhammand knew about plate tectonics.
Would you believe a Muslim quoting the Koran Allah picking the sex of the baby quoting a verse talking about congealed blood?
Would you believe a Muslim who quotes the Koran verse talking about "the skies turning red" as proof of knowledge of Super Novas?
All arguments I have encountered over the years.
NO, a male rib cadge is NOT twisted like a double helix. That would be like confusing a circle with being a slinky by proxy of both having round shapes.
Not to mention that a male rib cage is not a strand of DNA by itself.
You are grasping at straws.
You are merely back peddling because science has left your myth in the dust and the only thing you can do is try to pathetically ride it's coat tales to falsely maintain some sense of relevancy in modern times. No different than the Muslims I have debated who claim science prove their book.
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I see, you are indeed a wise Wizard pondering over the details of your magical Lore. As a mere muggle I can't answer your question sense obviously only wizards can truly understand the true meaning of your magical book.
You are indeed a wise Wizard, because who else but a wise Wizard would come up with such a convenient way of interpreting things.
I'm still being nice here... and the majority of people are being nice. But atheism is not a religion, and we are not arrogant. That's not a very Christian thing to do, accuse people unjustly, or maybe it is, it seems I'm quite ignorant of what a TRUE Christian is.
Again, what does the word ATHEIST mean to you? and explain to me why you believe that atheism is a religion.
Perhaps you can explain what the word RELIGION means to you as well.
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
First of all, atheism is a religion in the same way that NOT collecting stamps is a hobby. Secondly, do you know what the height of irony is? It is being called arrogant by someone who claims to have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe!
How dare you speak to the Wizard like that. He has a special magical book that only he can truly understands. We're just a bunch of arrogant stupid muggles who have no right to question the words of one of the elect. If were not careful he'll sick he who can't be named on us. They have a close personal relationship you know.
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I don't feel you are attacking my faith.
But, I thank you for showing consideration.
I cannot prove God exists anymore than you can prove He doesn't. He is God and that He lives is obvious to me. I feel Him, His Spirit teaches me and has shown signs many times. There is no doubt. This cannot be proven...at least as far as I know. I simply know.
If I knew what I now know before Jesus was born I would have been of the One Body whether or not the tribe of Judah accepted me or not. However, you should understand that there are many of us of the house of Israel and we are not Jews for they are the house of Judah. Both houses are Israel but not all are Jews.
What would I have called myself? A child of God...I still do.
Before I read the Bible, (with understanding), I was agnostic. I wanted to believe but there were too many unanswered questions. That began when I was thirteen and lasted many, many years. Just five or six years ago I was finally awakened. Seeing nature...really seeing a seed grow, tadpoles change into frogs...the miracles that happen around us all the time. I finally SAW. At the same time I noticed signs. I paid attention. I prayed....He answered. As the signs happened over and over again I would point them out to my mother. She saw but shrugged them off as coincidence.
I know that the Bible isn't hearsay and is evidence but each of us must reach a point before we accept that. Perhaps the most difficult part is to shake off all the teaching we're received through the years. Religion can take some serious bites out of folks. Sometimes it can be a mortal blow.
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Well, if Obama won the Nobel Prize it shouldn't be too hard for anyone else.
1) There is a possible world of only well-being (p).
2) A capable limitless good being (x) knowing of this world (p) would actualize (necessarily) it over possible worlds with evil and suffering (q).
3)x necessarily would not allow q
4)p--> not q
5) It is possible that god is x
6)q --> not p
7) Our world=q therefore not p
8)not p
9)not p--->not x
10)not x
11)god= not x
Our world entails there is no capable limitless good being. If there is a god he is not that being. No sky daddy like the theistic one.
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"You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whip cream."--Frank Zappa
http://atheisticgod.blogspot.com/ Books on atheism
"You can't write a chord ugly enough to say what you want to say sometimes, so you have to rely on a giraffe filled with whip cream."--Frank Zappa
http://atheisticgod.blogspot.com/ Books on atheism
Personal experience. Unprovable personal experience. What I have found is that people using faith without evidence leads to evil actions. (again, see my introduction) My personal experience is a sign to me that faith without proof, verifiable proof that can't be recanted is evil. You believing in God without being able to show the evidence means that your belief in God is evil, or it could lead to evil actions.
The Bible was written by men. Divine intervention or not, they filtered it through their own faulty awareness. If you concede that Jesus is the only perfect man, then imperfect men wrote the bible, leading to an imperfect bible. Not to be trusted any more than any other personal experience.
You're a guest here, and not a very kind one.
You like to run your fucking mouth an awful lot, about individuals you know nothing about.
You're just as obnoxious as all the other ones that are welcomed here.
I see just fine.
You're a misinformed, ignorant, presumptuous, pompous, obnoxious ass who mistakenly assumes their more intelligent and informed that complete strangers are.
IOW, you're a garden variety Christian idiot.
Just as an FYI, the 'battle' has been won long ago. America is a secular country, and not a 'Christian' nation, like most of you clowns daydream about.
More and more individuals are rejecting theism, and breeding the next generations of atheists, that will combine with the hundreds of millions that currently exist.
The internet is the next big nail in the coffin for theism.
And finally, if there is a hell, it's probably been grossly underrated.
Think about it. That's where all the strippers and rock stars are...
I keep asking myself " Are they just playin' stupid, or are they just plain stupid?..."
"To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy" : David Brooks
" Only on the subject of God can smart people still imagine that they reap the fruits of human intelligence even as they plow them under." : Sam Harris
I'm not sure what this person is trying to accomplish by posting here. All he seems to do is make baseless assertions about atheism, which I don't believe he even understands the meaning of. Accuse us of being arrogant, which most of us are, but not because we're atheists, we're just assholes.
Also I see him as sticking his fingers in his ears and going "Nanananananana" every time he hears anything questioning the bible. The constant bible quotes thrown in to highlight his points are silly at best.
To sum it up, he doesn't care that he believes in an idiotic fairytale, he REALLY believes it, so it must be true.
He's obviously too self deluded to learn anything, so what's the point?
Also, I wish he grew a spine and tell us why we're wrong, at least I would respect him for taking a stand.
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
A fallacious argument from complexity. Whirlwind, there are things about reality that can be known. But things about the supernatural by definition, cannot be known by those in this place. That 2:13-14 quote is an ad hominem on top of an assertion. I think you ought to bear in mind that when you use the word spiritual you should be deploying the word imaginary.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
This is a rank assertion with a triple somersault and pike in the half tuck position.
I feel awe as a sentient being in this place. Morality I learned from growing up in a group. Morality is not some universal constant it's an integral feature of the development of a human life. Insisting god is behind morality is an assertion based on zero proof. Children are not born with morality. They learn it over a long period of time. I am still learning it in my mid-40s. Read some Kohlberg. At least his assertions are based on the observations of a lifetime of fieldwork.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
We seek to understand the natural world for what it can be demonstrated to be. There are gaps in this knowledge but our journey is in its infancy. You are the one attributing the world to some strange happenstance. In refuting this point, perhaps you could explain to us, using cogent data, how creation works.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Here we are again. What fun...
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
My store of politeness is completely used up. Whirlwind you are an arrogant, obnoxious git. Your posts here indicate you have no understanding of anything actual and you use bible to perpetrate a position of righteous ignorance.
Here you tell us we must believe your baseless assertions before we can understand them. You offer no proof, you have no proof, you just throw bible at us like it proves something. You are a glittering instance of the Dunning-Kruger effect. Congratulations on your elevation.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Fallacious argument from ignorance.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
hehe, he gets a PERFECT 10!
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
There is no decently verifiable Truth in Christian dogma and the bible, it is all empty conjecture + wishful thinking (AKA 'faith' ).
Without empirical, independent evidence, all you have are ideas and fallible intuitions.
'God' is a total fail as any kind of 'explanation' of origins, relative to current science, and the very opposite of a source of decent morality.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
8 Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall be done away; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall be done away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part;
10 but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be done away. .
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The more I read on this forum, the more I see what you meant about approaching these individuals at a bible level. But even that seems to fail in the face of voluntary ignorance and idiocy. It's really depressing to see a fellow human so self deluded, it points out everything that's wrong with humanity. Ironically it also exemplifies our bestial ancestry more than any other human trait.
How are things going for you dude on a personal level? I wish your stay there sucks less every day
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
Thoughts require a material process. There is no science out there disputing that FACT of biological evolution. Much less an invisible brain with no material with magical super powers.
NOT to mention this is a very typical 101 theist mistake.
How do you know there are not invisible unicorns on Mars? Have you aver been on mars physically? Have you searched every inch of it? They are invisible so you cant detect them, but that doesn't mean they are not there.
Again, the burden of proof is on the claimant, not the person saying "you have no evidence for your claim".
AND combine that with the fact that these stories were written in an age where they DIDN'T have modern science to test their claims.
AND, since you already accept that people are capable of believing false things, I would say YOU need to consider that YOU are doing no differently than the others you know, rightfully so, that they believe false things.
Humans have always had a history of believing false things. Humans like placebos and invent them and believe in them because of the false sense of comfort it brings them. It is merely wishful thinking.
See if you can spot the pattern...
"Allah is real because you cannot prove he isn't"
"Vishnu is real because you cannot prove he isn't"
"Yahweh is real because you cannot prove he isn't"
"Thor is real because you cannot prove he isn't"
"Osirus is real because you cannot prove he isn't"
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See what you are doing? To make your model work you would have to believe in all these claims which you don't. You would rightfully demand evidence, OR you should, if someone claimed Allah to be real and the one true god.
I am asserting that NO ONE in human history that has claimed a deity of any kind, is getting it right. I am asserting that every human in human history who has claimed a deity, including you, merely likes the idea of having a god.
Otherwise if there were evidence for ANY of these claims it would be settled easily in an independent lab setting. We have much better data than ANY holy book. We know that it takes a physical material for a thought to arise. We know people are capable of believing false things.
It does not take a rocket scientist to see what humans do. They invent these myths to placate their own emotions.
You simply believe yours is not a myth. I am telling you it is a myth. You are no different than any god/s believer in human history.
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The analogy doesn't work. The Book is there for all to read...same words for everyone as "He sendeth rain on the just and the unjust." [Mt.5:45] There are elect and there are those of free will but the reason for His elect is so they reach those of free will. He wants all to be with Him....
Those that have repented are those that receive deeper knowledge...we all make choices.
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Maturity is when we find wisdom, knowledge and understanding. In other words, when we find truth and are willing enough, mature enough, to let go of childish things. Those "childish things" you see as spirit. Those "childish things" I see as man's ego and inability to recognize something larger than himself.
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I have no problem with 'spirituality' in the orginal, basic sense of awe and wonder at contemplating the Universe, our existence, our nature and our society, etc.
Religion tries to take ownership of those basic feelings, and perverts them for its own purpose.
If you read widely enough beyond the outdated words of the Bible, as I and most everyone else here have, you may realize that there is a far grander reality beyond the limited world of those ancient myths.
The ego of the believer in thinking they have access to a supreme 'truth' through an exercise of the imagination is truly enormous, contrasted with the humility of the Atheist who acknowledges the limitations of our minds in apprehending truth without the help of empirical study and evidence.
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
What men, whether Jewish or not, believe has no bearing on what is written. Being Jewish or Christian doesn't make one correct or incorrect.
The Messiah did institute God's kingdom on earth. I am of that kingdom now.
Psalm 22 tells of the crucifixion of Jesus.
He is real. You are allowing yourself to be mislead by myth, by twisted truths.
Why do you see the destruction of Jericho as being "supposed?"
If those of the Jewish faith believe the serpent was a talking snake then I am amazed and very disappointed.
When we are first introduced to Satan in the garden he is already in his fallen state. When did that happen? In [Gen.6] we're shown fallen angels.
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Ribs don't have to spiral. This has nothing to do with a rib...that was a mistranslation. The word was "curve," not rib, as in helix curve.
You are not understanding. Please get the word "rib" out of your thoughts. Instead see the word "curve." The translators apparently saw curve and assumed it was a rib.
Science and the Bible should agree. Where it doesn't either means science was wrong or folks reading the bible aren't seeing what is there.
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I'm not sure that mr. whirlwind here is referring to the same 'spirituality'. For that matter, I'm not sure him and us speak the same language when defining a large number of words.
Well said though
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Glad to hear you are doing better
It's a little frustrating dealing with someone that appeals to the bible as a reason for believing that the bible is not a work of fiction. Truth is relative, just like everything else.
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
My use of the "arrogance" word was in response to a posters use of the word when describing my beliefs. I didn't mean it to be said in a nasty way...
The word atheist means to me? Godless.
Why do I believe atheism is a religion? I don't know if I can answer that...I just do.
The word religion means to me...a waste of time.
Perhaps my thoughts on that tell me why I see atheism as a religion. A waste of time, for all religions are of man, by man, for man. They separate...section off people from each other.
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Truly, I didn't mean to call you arrogant. It was used in reply to a posters' comment when he used that word.
Many have a person relationship with the Creator. Pretty amazing and wonderful!
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You have not put away childish things. The fact that you quote the bible to prove the bible is immature, not mature, and hardly wisdom.
Lets try again and see if you can spot the pattern.
"The Koran is true because the Koran says so"
"The Talmud is true because the Talmud says so"
"The Reg Vedas are true because the Reg Veda's say so"
All you have proven to me is your ability to copy and paste something.
You still have no evidence of an invisible non-material magical super brain with magical super powers. Don't feel bad, Jews and Muslims don't have any more evidence for their god than you do, and neither do their holy books.
WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS CALLED CIRCULAR REASONING.
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Well, thank you for responding to me, I understand that you have a lot to read, it's a bit one sided in here
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Atheist doesn't mean godless, it means not a theist. Godless is a word with a lot of baggage, you most likely equate it with sinful or a attach a negative connotation to it. Every human is born as an atheist, meaning not a theist. Theist is defined as someone that believes at least one deity exists. I don't believe that any deity that humanity has every imagined and wrote stories about exists. That makes me an atheist.
I hope that clears it up a little. I am very open to the idea of god, and I hold a hope that a deity exists, but it has to be proven empirically in order for me to believe that's the case.
The only thing myself and the other atheists have in common is this fact alone, we have no rituals, we have no doctrine, and we have no central atheistic literature equivalent to the bible. I'm not sure how you think this is a waste of time. I could say that since you do not collect old coins is also a waste of time. Or if you DO NOT play golf, then you waste time. It makes no sense what so ever.
Actually, your reply is really really weak. I mean, even in contrast with your other replies, perhaps you should stick to the bible?
"Don't seek these laws to understand. Only the mad can comprehend..." -- George Cosbuc
Religion does take ownership....perhaps then it would be best to stay away from religion?
The Words are not outdated. The Words are truth and life.
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