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The Atheist Literature Club

Since it has been a desire of mine to write more atheist friendly material, I decided to create a blog where I would contribute such material. But then I decided that I wanted a place where I could see other material from other atheists. So, I named my blog the Atheist Literature Club. It's basically a place where atheists can submit their unholy creativity for everyone to see. *Sincere apologies for anybody for copying off their idea, a quick search through google showed nothing like this, but I may have missed something. But anywho, check it out if you'd like. It's my first blog, so keep that in mind.

 

http://theatheistliteratureclub.blogspot.com/

 

 

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Very cool idea. 100 thumbs

Very cool idea. 100 thumbs up! Looking forward to Valerie Dennett's first encounter with mind-numbing ignorance. Smiling

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Just a quick question:

Just a quick question:

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1: Please do not be hateful or rude in your works.

How do you define "hateful" and "rude"? I'm afraid that's going to need a lot clearer delineation. Just about anything can be considered rude, depending on the person reading it. I'm reminded of:

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Perhaps I should just say

Perhaps I should just say "don't be write anything that encourages intolerance" or something to that effect?

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Weston Bortner wrote:Perhaps

Weston Bortner wrote:

Perhaps I should just say "don't be write anything that encourages intolerance" or something to that effect?

 

"This discussion is intended to be civil.  If you are incapable of civility, your posts will be removed.  Thank you for understanding."

"If you can not be nice, I can kick you off."

"What?  Were you raised in a barn?  Didn't your mama teach you any manners?  Then use them!"

None of which you may want to use.

 

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It is a very good idea. 

It is a very good idea.  I'm looking forward to your story.

 


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Thanks cj If any of you

Thanks cj

 

If any of you guys feel up to contributing something of your own, don't hesitate to say so.

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Religitics Episode One is

Religitics Episode One is up. I did my best. I hope you like it.


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Personally, here's where I

Personally, here's where I would draw the line: Nothing illegal, especially no advocacy of violence or threats of violence, or basically advocacy of harming any individual people or group of people in any way. Why I state it in terms of 'harm': I don't consider merely causing someone offence as harming them, as long as it's not harassment or some such. Anyone can get offended about anything, quite literally. But there are usually pretty clear guidelines as to what constitutes 'harm' vs. 'not harm' in law and ethics.

And after that, you can just rely on your own aesthetic judgment as to whether the stories are interesting enough as stories (or poetry or whatever) to qualify as something worth posting. So, basically, a story that's nothing but insults and crap like that you can just reject because it's not a good story.

Honestly, I guess I'm making too big a deal out of it, but I guess if I were to submit something, I'd rather have it rejected because it wasn't a good story, rather than because of some vague accusation that it was 'too offensive' to post.

 

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If anybody has any comments

If anybody has any comments about the story feel free to post them on the blog. Still hoping that some people contribute.

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Just one more bit of

Just one more bit of advertising here and I'll shut up about it, but if anybody has any interest, I'll be putting up essays of my thoughts with accordance to religion on the blog. I still encourage people, if they so chose, to contribute.

Alright, I'll shut up now.

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Chuckle

 

 

Hi Weston - that dialogue reads just like some conversations I've had with my family - to wit - "Have you ever witnessed an evolutionary event??? No? Well then!"

I think you should develop something in which a teenager gets buttonholed by their parents...

 

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Hi Weston - that dialogue reads just like some conversations I've had with my family - to wit - "Have you ever witnessed an evolutionary event??? No? Well then!"

I think you should develop something in which a teenager gets buttonholed by their parents...

Are you referring to my story "Religitics?"

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HEYYYY!!!!i

I love the  idea. I will read your story.

I am a short story writer and alot of my material is Atheist friendly (hint: no ultimate purposes, humanity solving it's own problems by looking within and overcoming itself, ) that sort of thing. Alot of my stuff is post-apocalyptic. Good work Weston. Maybe I'll send you some material.

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harleysportster wrote:I love

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I love the  idea. I will read your story.

I am a short story writer and alot of my material is Atheist friendly (hint: no ultimate purposes, humanity solving it's own problems by looking within and overcoming itself, ) that sort of thing. Alot of my stuff is post-apocalyptic. Good work Weston. Maybe I'll send you some material.

 

Thank you very much.

 

I hope you enjoy the story and I sincerely hope that you do contribute.

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Weston Bortner wrote:

Atheistextremist wrote:

 

 

Hi Weston - that dialogue reads just like some conversations I've had with my family - to wit - "Have you ever witnessed an evolutionary event??? No? Well then!"

I think you should develop something in which a teenager gets buttonholed by their parents...

Are you referring to my story "Religitics?"

 

I like your idea of dialogue as a teaching mechanism - just the way you've written your piece would translate very well to another scenario - say a kitchen table discussion between a family as parents trying to convert some kid who has to fend off their arguments. The way Religitics reads certainly sounds similar to conversations I've had with family members over the years but your dialogue format makes your points far more digestible than a slab of text, I think. For younger folk who visit, I think something like that would be very useful.  

 

 

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Atheistextremist wrote:I

Atheistextremist wrote:

I like your idea of dialogue as a teaching mechanism - just the way you've written your piece would translate very well to another scenario - say a kitchen table discussion between a family as parents trying to convert some kid who has to fend off their arguments. The way Religitics reads certainly sounds similar to conversations I've had with family members over the years but your dialogue format makes your points far more digestible than a slab of text, I think. For younger folk who visit, I think something like that would be very useful.  

 

Well, thank you, Extremist.

 

I do hope that people use what I write as a simple way to question some of the beliefs that religious people use. I'll try to get another episode of Religitics up soon.

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Religitics, part two, is

Religitics, part two, is online.


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Great! It's on my reading

Great! It's on my reading list. I'll definitely give you some feedback when I get a chance to read them proper.

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natural wrote:Great! It's on

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Great! It's on my reading list. I'll definitely give you some feedback when I get a chance to read them proper.

 

Thank you, sir.

 

I hope you enjoy them. I'm debating whether or not I should put some essay I've been working on against religion on there. I might, but, because of my lack of any professional standards and little training in philosophy, I don't know if it is really that good...

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Well, if you'd like to hash

Well, if you'd like to hash out some of the ideas you put forth in the essay, you could always try testing them out with us in the Freethinking Anonymous forum. If they pass the gauntlet to your satisfaction, they're probably decent ideas worthy of an essay. If not, you'll probably learn something new along the way. Just a thought.

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Religitics Part three is up.

Religitics Part three is up.


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Hi Weston,I was once part of

Hi Weston,

I was once part of a writing club, and we often used to do complete critiques of each others' writing, trying to point out things that could help the other person get a short story published.

I'm starting my proper reading of Religitics right now, and when I spotted a typo/grammar issue, my instinct was to start doing one of my critiques. I don't only focus on mini details like grammar. I also do more high-level critique as well. But I thought I should ask if that's something you would like before I actually go ahead with it.

I could do: a) proof-reading, word flow, paragraph structure, etc., b) higher-level stuff like characters, theme, story, plot, dialogue, etc., or c) all of the above.

It would actually not take me much effort to do, and I would probably enjoy it, so just ask yourself if you're interested in receiving that kind of feedback, and let me know, Yea or Nay. I won't take it personal either way. Also, if you do want that kind of feedback, let me know how you would want to receive it. I could post them as comments on your threads, or could send you a PM (if you have PMing available), or we could figure out an email thing. Totally up to you.

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I wouldn't have a problem

I wouldn't have a problem with any of that. I just ask that you direct all comments to the blog, rather than here. Also, since you were a part of a club, perhaps you could join the Atheist Literature Club? Help me get it going? I'd really appreciate it.

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Sure I'll join. What do I

Sure I'll join. What do I have to do?

I just want to warn you ahead of time that I'm unreliable as fuck. Sometimes I'm on, sometimes I'm off. Fortunately, I recently found out what the underlying problem was, which happened to be undiagnosed ADHD. I'm getting treated for it now, which is why I've been posting around here more frequently as of the past few months, but I'm not completely over the unreliability thing.

So, as long as there's no requirement to write something every week or something like that, I should be okay. I'm only telling you this because I'm quite interested to join, but I feel super guilty when people expect me to follow through on something and I end up disappointing them. If you need members to make regular commitments, I'm almost certainly not your guy.

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Nope, no obligations for

Nope, no obligations for you. As long as you post something every once and awhile, that's good enough for me. I sent you a permission invitation.

 

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The Atheist Literature Club

The Atheist Literature Club now has three members; Natural (the moderator here), Harleysportster, and myself.

 

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Yup, and one un-official

Yup, and one un-official member who will be posting under my blogger account due to privacy issues. His first post is pending final approval from Weston, should be up sometime today. (Sent ya an email about it, Weston, check your inbox.)

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Okay, M.B. Waker's post is

Okay, M.B. Waker's post is up now: The Culture Report - Intro

I never heard of that group before I chatted with Waker. Anyone ever heard of it?

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Religitics episodes have

Religitics episodes have been updated to the site. Any word from M.B Waker, Natural?


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Hey Weston, I sent you an

Hey Weston, I sent you an email.


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The Atheist Literature Club wants schools to teach the controversy!........that plagues history classes!

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The Atheist Literature Club

The Atheist Literature Club wants schools to teach the controversy!........that plagues history classes!

 

http://theatheistliteratureclub.blogspot.com/2011/08/teach-controversy.html

 

 

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Weston [not easton?] Bortner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The Atheist Literature Club wants schools to teach the controversy!........that plagues history classes!

 

http://theatheistliteratureclub.blogspot.com/2011/08/teach-controversy.html

 

 

YEC's

 

 

                                  Young Earth Creationist's  want the "controversy to be taught in school" {public school's no less}.   There is NO controversy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   What  you have is a 'conspiricy theory'  and you can stick  that with Van Daniken's   'Ancient aliens',  '9/11 conspiritors',  the Loch Ness monster,  and Barak Obama's birth certificate "controversy". I read your blog, it sounds just like Orly Tates 'birther' blog.  Crazy Orly has a court injunction which slows down her insanity;  Are you striving for a court injunction?????????????????????

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Anybody

Anybody catch my story : The last piece of bread ? Sorry, couldn't resist doing some advertising. I have got another on the way.

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Jeffrick wrote:Weston

Jeffrick wrote:

Weston Bortner wrote:

The Atheist Literature Club wants schools to teach the controversy!........that plagues history classes!

 

http://theatheistliteratureclub.blogspot.com/2011/08/teach-controversy.html

 

 

YEC's

 

 

                                  Young Earth Creationist's  want the "controversy to be taught in school" {public school's no less}.   There is NO controversy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   What  you have is a 'conspiricy theory'  and you can stick  that with Van Daniken's   'Ancient aliens',  '9/11 conspiritors',  the Loch Ness monster,  and Barak Obama's birth certificate "controversy". I read your blog, it sounds just like Orly Tates 'birther' blog.  Crazy Orly has a court injunction which slows down her insanity;  Are you striving for a court injunction?????????????????????

 

I can't tell if you're being serious or not, but if you look at the tags of the post I made on that article, you'll "satire" and "parody".

 

Just in case you're being serious.

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Anybody catch my story : The last piece of bread ? Sorry, couldn't resist doing some advertising. I have got another on the way.

When I click on it, it says No post, do I need to subscribe?

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Ktulu wrote:harleysportster

Ktulu wrote:

harleysportster wrote:

Anybody catch my story : The last piece of bread ? Sorry, couldn't resist doing some advertising. I have got another on the way.

When I click on it, it says No post, do I need to subscribe?

Hmm, not sure. Might want to ask Weston. Another problem I had was the way the story configured, the paragraphs were a little off base and that was not the way I typed it.

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Ktulu wrote:harleysportster

Ktulu wrote:

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Anybody catch my story : The last piece of bread ? Sorry, couldn't resist doing some advertising. I have got another on the way.

When I click on it, it says No post, do I need to subscribe?

 

You shouldn't need to subscribe. It should be there. I'm not sure why the paragraphs were off like that. When I went in to edit it they were fine...

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Perhaps I'm doing something

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong. this is where I get...

http://thelastpieceofbread.blogspot.com/

and it just shows No Posts.  perhaps a direct link to it.

 

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Ktulu wrote:Perhaps I'm

Ktulu wrote:

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong. this is where I get...

http://thelastpieceofbread.blogspot.com/

and it just shows No Posts.  perhaps a direct link to it.

 

http://theatheistliteratureclub.blogspot.com/2011/07/last-piece-of-bread.html

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It's impossible for a consistent atheist to know how to read. lol. wow. Since knowledge is not objective, and reading is objective via universals, then a consistent atheist must be illiterate. However, if he isn't, that he's a acting more like a christian.

People, be consistent in your weirdo religion of atheism. I mean, eat a pickle or something and get consistent. A true atheist cannot read according to the rules of atheism. Of course consistent atheists are hard to come buy. Mao, the murderer of millions of people, he was very consistent.

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Jean Chauvin wrote:It's

Jean Chauvin wrote:

It's impossible for a consistent atheist to know how to read. lol. wow. Since knowledge is not objective, and reading is objective via universals, then a consistent atheist must be illiterate. However, if he isn't, that he's a acting more like a christian.

People, be consistent in your weirdo religion of atheism. I mean, eat a pickle or something and get consistent. A true atheist cannot read according to the rules of atheism. Of course consistent atheists are hard to come buy. Mao, the murderer of millions of people, he was very consistent.

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Your joking right ?

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Jean Chauvin wrote:It's

Jean Chauvin wrote:

It's impossible for a consistent atheist to know how to read. lol. wow. Since knowledge is not objective, and reading is objective via universals, then a consistent atheist must be illiterate. However, if he isn't, that he's a acting more like a christian.

People, be consistent in your weirdo religion of atheism. I mean, eat a pickle or something and get consistent. A true atheist cannot read according to the rules of atheism. Of course consistent atheists are hard to come buy. Mao, the murderer of millions of people, he was very consistent.

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Jean Chauvin wrote:It's

Jean Chauvin wrote:

It's impossible for a consistent atheist to know how to read. lol. wow. Since knowledge is not objective, and reading is objective via universals, then a consistent atheist must be illiterate. However, if he isn't, that he's a acting more like a christian.

People, be consistent in your weirdo religion of atheism. I mean, eat a pickle or something and get consistent. A true atheist cannot read according to the rules of atheism. Of course consistent atheists are hard to come buy. Mao, the murderer of millions of people, he was very consistent.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

Stop trolling my thread.

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Hi

Hi,

I wrote that because you read my post. Just by reading my post means you're inconsistent atheists. lol. I'm not a troll opie, you've just fallen and can't get up. Since you can read, then you are more on my side of Christianity.

Helping Atheists becoming consistent in there worldview like Mao and thus being murderers and freakos.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

A Rational Christian of Intelligence (rare)with a valid and sound justification for my epistemology and a logical refutation for those with logical fallacies and false worldviews upon their normative of thinking in retrospect to objective normative(s). This is only understood via the imago dei in which we all are.

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Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).


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Nah, I just don't find your

Nah, I just don't find your ad homs worth the time.


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Little Red Book

Jean Chauvin wrote:

It's impossible for a consistent atheist to know how to read. lol. wow. Since knowledge is not objective, and reading is objective via universals, then a consistent atheist must be illiterate. However, if he isn't, that he's a acting more like a christian.

People, be consistent in your weirdo religion of atheism. I mean, eat a pickle or something and get consistent. A true atheist cannot read according to the rules of atheism. Of course consistent atheists are hard to come buy. Mao, the murderer of millions of people, he was very consistent.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

 

So let me get this right. According to your logic:

1. Mao is a consistent atheist.

2. Consistent atheists cannot read or write.

3. Therefore Mao could not read or write.

 

A question that immediately springs to mind, then, is who the f*ck wrote the Little Red Book?

 

It appears to me that a "Rational Christian of Intelligence" is indeed very rare, and that every time you type something you further demonstrate just how rare it is. 

 


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Jean Chauvin wrote:It's

Jean Chauvin wrote:

It's impossible for a consistent atheist to know how to read. lol. wow. Since knowledge is not objective, and reading is objective via universals, then a consistent atheist must be illiterate. However, if he isn't, that he's a acting more like a christian.

People, be consistent in your weirdo religion of atheism. I mean, eat a pickle or something and get consistent. A true atheist cannot read according to the rules of atheism. Of course consistent atheists are hard to come buy. Mao, the murderer of millions of people, he was very consistent.

Respectfully,

Jean Chauvin (Jude 3).

Your conclusion being that Mao couldn't read?  What's more relative and empirical than subjectively interpreting symbols, literally?  Reading epitomizes empirical epistemology.  Your conclusion shows how relying on logic alone, without any empirical verification can lead to absurd conclusions.

 

Edit: I have just read HumanVuvuzela's post. I should really scroll to the end before posting.  

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harleysportster wrote:Ktulu

harleysportster wrote:

Ktulu wrote:

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong. this is where I get...

http://thelastpieceofbread.blogspot.com/

and it just shows No Posts.  perhaps a direct link to it.

 

http://theatheistliteratureclub.blogspot.com/2011/07/last-piece-of-bread.html

 

I have read it, good story.  The text formatting was awkward though, I think you should run in through a plain text editor before pasting it on the website.  Copy/Paste the block of text in Windows Notepad, then copy it again to paste on the website, it gets rid of the Word tags.  The way the lines break take away from the pace of the story.  The story is quite thought provoking, however, and well worth the formatting pain. Smiling

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Ktulu wrote:harleysportster

Ktulu wrote:

harleysportster wrote:

Ktulu wrote:

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong. this is where I get...

http://thelastpieceofbread.blogspot.com/

and it just shows No Posts.  perhaps a direct link to it.

 

http://theatheistliteratureclub.blogspot.com/2011/07/last-piece-of-bread.html

 

I have read it, good story.  The text formatting was awkward though, I think you should run in through a plain text editor before pasting it on the website.  Copy/Paste the block of text in Windows Notepad, then copy it again to paste on the website, it gets rid of the Word tags.  The way the lines break take away from the pace of the story.  The story is quite thought provoking, however, and well worth the formatting pain. Smiling

Yeah. I don't know what the hell happened to he format, that certainly was not the way that I intended for it to come out. I tried copying and pasting from my Word and it would not let me do it. Oh well. Maybe I'll have better luck next time with the format.

Glad that to hear that you liked the story though.

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