I would like to say first that the 72 virgins may well be an error in translation, someone sustain it's 72 grapes or what, I don't know how do you call it in english.

Second, when you die you get the biggest fortune: contemplate the god you love and that very loves you. But then again there are a lot of pharisees who claim you would simply live on this planet, or end in non-existance.

Well, I can't conceive of it in a way that would make sense.........at all. The same goes for hell. This is something that they just don't think about.

Heaven is supposed to be eternal bliss, and sitting on a cloud kissing Yahweh's feet over and over wouldn't be anywhere near bliss for any of us. The only way this would work is if God has an effect on me similar to a powerful drug, like maybe a pound of acid or ecstasy. Personally, I find that even worse than the previous scenario, losing my ability to think clearly.     

That said, what would happen to us if we refused to worship the Christian God in heaven? Maybe he would send us to hell, like Satan. But, Satan doesn't get tortured in hell; he does the torturing, so we would be like demons that get to torture people! That'd be interesting.   

In order for to me to be really happy and intellectually satisfied, I would need many things that I can't imagine the Christian God providing. Well, good food and hot sex is fine, but I would also want more knowledge of reality and some power to help people down on Earth, at least. Unfortunately, since there aren't awesome angels helping people everywhere, we can conclude that either heaven doesn't exist or God doesn't grant this request, lol.

Well just look to jesus's ressurected body for an example - he is the firstfruit/template of the ressurection to come for everybody else

we dont know everythign about what our bodies will be like but we do know some things

>they will be physical - jesus ate fish / was touched by diciples post ressurection

>they will be spiritural  - jesus could wall through walls

>they will be far more awesome than our current lame meatsacks - crippled people will be able to walk, blind people will be able to see, unborn babies will get to experiance life properly, they wont age/deteriorate/get sick/weak etc...

ressurected jesus can fly and do many other cool things...

You're a modern day Sadducee

they asked jesus the same thing 2000 years ago:

Now there were seven brothers. The first one married a woman and died childless.  The second and then the third married her, and in the same way the seven died, leaving no children. Finally, the woman died too. Now then, at the resurrection whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?”  Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection. - Luke 20

> No marriage in heaven - (we will still remeber our spouses though)

Why? because there will be a much more important marrige going on - between Jesus and his chuch - with an epic wedding feast to go with it.

This question is always entertaining when answered by the Landover Baptist.

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=35817

I want Talitha to carry my evil spawn.  

There might not even be women in heaven.  (count me out)

 http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=35800

Having lots of babies could save women per the Bible.  Seriously, wouldn't a guy write that just to get laid?

But to explain why i have to go back to the begining - sorry if this is repitition for some people

Before time, when God the Father decided to create the universe, to create people, to create Satan. He knew that if he did, that everyone would rebel against him, and enslave themselves to living selfishly – seeking only to please only  themselves – and being completely incapable of doing anything good. He knew that he would have to punish them for this by poisoning his own good creation with death, disease and disaster. Even though he knew that by creating the world - all humanity would despise and hate him as their enemy, He also knew that he was awesome, and that even if the world got screwed up this bad – He knew that he would be able to fix it anyway if he wanted to becuase he was that awesome.

So he decided to create the world anyway knowing this, and that ultimately it would mean his son Jesus would need to die to fix it. He didn’t do this because he loves us – his creation (although he does), or because he needed to prove something, or because he was bored and needed some entertainment. He created a world that would deteriorate and a people that would eventually hate him -  as a gift for his son Jesus.  (like a birthday present without the birthday). Now you’re probably thinking that is a pretty lame gift - especially considering that it would mean Jesus himself would have to die as a result. But God the Father also knew that Jesus would defeat death and be resurrected in power. He knew that Jesus would be able to bring everything and everyone of this rebellious creation under His authority and that he would be able to turn his enemies into his friends.  And that by doing all of this it would demonstrate the supremacy and awesomeness of Jesus.

So where does the Wedding of the Lamb fit into all this? – well when times reach their fulfilment Jesus will be recognised by all creation as the king – some will acknowledge Jesus as king willingly and will be invited to the wedding feast  - which is heaven (Other will not and be forced to submit anyway). But  at the wedding feast/heaven we can have an eternal relationship with Jesus. This relationship in heaven is far more valuable, important and long lasting than earthly marriages. In fact the bible even says that the reason God created marriage and sex in the first place was to give us a visual aid to help us understand what our relationship in heaven with Jesus is going to look like – although we have managed to pervert and screw up that visual aid as well. This is why there is no need for marriage and sex in heaven - as they were only created to point to the wedding feast. So if you like sex, you will love heaven 1000 x more – cos sex is just a illustration to help us understand what things are going to be like.

 

Sorry for the long post

Sorry my mistake - wasn't intentional

Im just summarising what the bible says, which i beleive contain the Words of God. In them he revealse his plans from before the beginning of time. Of course you probably don't believe this is Gods word but thats why your the A-Theist and im the Theist - im just explaining what i believe i dont expect to convince you of anything.

Here is one example where i get this from>

For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. ... he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ,  to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ. - Ephesians 1

God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Spirit - All one God but in 3 unique persons all equally God. Jesus has always existed he wasnt created - when he was 'born' he just became incarnate/human (but still 100% God)

Adam's sin was not unexpected by God. Sending Jesus to save mankind was not God's backup plan - it was always his main A - Plan, God doen't need a plan B - He knows what will happen and makes his plans so that things will turn out how he wants them to first time - every time

There will be plenty of things to do for those who trust in Jesus. We will be ruling the new Heavens and the new earth that Jesus will create shortly after he destroys this current decaying universe.  We will rule the new creation as Kings and Queens - under the rule of God. We will rule over all the other created beings - angels and creatures. We will be able to catch up with all our brothers and sisters who are also in christ. We will have our new awesome ressurection bodies and be continuing to enjoy the good food and orther created things that we enjoy in this current earth. But we wont have to put up with any of the decay, sickness, disasters and death. It will be back to how this place was originally created. We will have work to do too - but it wont tire us out like work does today - it will be fun. There will be building projects - plenty of stuff to do. I know i won't be bored

What if we don't want to rule anyone or anything?  What if we don't want to lick god/s/dess' toes for eternity?  What if we don't want to hang with our neurotic nutcase relatives?  (My sister is a fervent JW.)  What if we don't want to build things/organisms/stuff?  Sounds like what you want is a power play.  And I'm not interested.

Thanks, if I have to have an afterlife, I'll go hang in hell with Mark Twain and my fun friends and relatives.  I really don't want to spend eternity with people like you.

 Did you know that Ephesians was not written by Paul? Many scholars including Bart Ehrman take this position. See Forged by Bart Ehrman pp 108-112.

This statement in Ephesians is by a writer who used Paul's name to propagate his message. He's no better than you or I and was not inspired. He was a dishonest person using the name of someone else.

Even if it had been written by Paul, which it wasn't, Paul was not present before time existed nor did he ever meet anyone that did. It would have been just his opinion had he wrote this, which he didn't.

If you have ever read any of my posts or threads you may know that I go to the Jewish explanations many times, as it is their religion that has been morphed.  Unlike self loathing Christians, Jews see man as born with a pure soul and claim that man can return it to the god in the same condition. They don't buy the original sin concept. They don't require a blood sacrifice of a human, which is actually against Judaism. The mashiach was not to be an immortal god to save them from their sins.

You will first need to discredit the Jewish view that man is born with a pure soul and can return it to the god in the same condition. As the concept of original sin contradicts that which was taught from the inception of Hebrew/Jewish teaching, discuss how this is not true. The Adam character is not seen as passing on this as a sin requiring the placating of the god with a human sacrifice, which is contrary to Hebrew/Jewish beliefs anyway.

You get this from where?

And you get this from where?

And this?

I know that in Revelation aka Apocalypse of John it discusses this:

Such as Rev 21:4 where death sorrow, pain are gone; while Rev 21:7 indicates in KJV that he that shall over come will inherit all things while Douay-Rheims (Catholic translation - based on the Latin Vulgate) indicates they will possess these things; this version does not use the word 'all' as in the poor translation of patchwork texts from various Greek scraps that were used in the KJV.

I don't see anywhere in this text that indicates I can still get an Angus burger from the Burger Bar in the mall by the Luxor in Vegas.

Instead, I see in Rev 22 that the tree of life produces 12 kinds of fruit monthly. It's leaves are used to heal the nations. ????What, I thought healing wouldn't be needed anymore?

And there is clean crystal clear water. Something maybe rare in the 1st century but I know of plenty of it today.

And where does it say I can still play chess?

Work? What work? So we are forced labor?

Cute joke.  But I have problems imaging the USC marching band members are virgins.  Sorry.

Jill and Eustace return to save the world from Shift, an ape, who tricks Puzzle, a donkey, into impersonating a lion. Hope I get good seats. 

Love the song - really.  With that routine, it looked like chiropractor heaven in a few years.

The problem is, I was in my high school band - played clarinet.  And you could count the number of drum majorettes who made it to graduation with out getting pregnant on the finger of one hand.

You've never been on a band trip, have you?