Another WTF in the Anthony case. Her probation.
Offline A judge ordered Casey back to FLA to serve probation. Problem is that the corrections department already made her serve the probation while she was in jail.
The judge claims that his orders were not followed and that her probation was supposed to be served AFTER she got out of jail.
MY POINT,
What does it matter if the judge made the mistake in not making it clear, or the corrections department made the mistake by not following the order.
SHE STILL SERVED THE PROBATION
This is a no brainer to me and this waste of money I am seeing on tv right now in the state trying to get her to serve a sentence she already served is absurd.
This stems from a check fraud case independent from the murder trial.
If the system works the judge hearing the probation case should rightfully throw out the state's mistake and uphold the probation she served.
I get a fucking lip twitch in any case when the state wants do-overs. It is not the fault of the founders or the constitution or even society in general that the original judge on the check fraud probation didn't make it clear, nor is it the fault of the constitution or society that the correction department didn't follow the judges orders.
SHE ALREADY SERVED THE PROBATION. PERIOD!
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You seem enthralled by the life of this person.
No, jebus kristos on a cracker.
You could be talking about Glen Beck or Obama being accused of the same damned thing.
THE ISSUE IS NOT THE PESON
The issue is procedural in the context of the constitution. You could stick anyone's name in to the case, and my objection would be the same. Casey simply is the person in this example. The example is the issue, not her.
If you or I or your neighbor were in the same position my point is the same. The probation was served regardless of whether you want to blame the judge or the correction department.
My point is in the context of the parameters of this case, if I were the judge ruling on this, the state fucked up and the probation was already served and they should not have the right to make her serve it again.
The state does not get a do over.
Since paperwork was signed and a probation officer visited her, the action was implemented and carried out.
You could stick Micky Mouse or Jimmy Hoffa in as a name instead of Casey Anthony and the example would be the same.
It just so happens that she is the name involved in this case. If anyone else in the history or the future of law ends up in this same position, my objection would be the same.
Double jeopardy clearly states you cannot punish someone twice for the same crime. In this case she already signed the paperwork for the probation and served the probation, REGARDLESS of the mistake of the judge or the correction department.
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You may be genuinely interested in that subject. I don't know. I'm just saying that you comment about this individual at the slightest pretext.
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I could give a shit less what happens to her. I take an interest in the case because of the reaction to it's outcome and some in our zealous society who want to throw out the system because they didn't like the outcome.
This stems from, outside of crime, growing up in school having an entire private school hate me for something I did not do and refused to confess to. My interest in her case is merely in defending the concept of letting the guilty go free as a default rather than risk convicting and innocent person. Having been falsely accused and been hated by an entire private school, I take the justice system even more seriously. I wasn't arrested or put in jail, but emotionally it damned well felt like it, and it wasn't even a criminal case.
The judge trying to make Casey try to reserve her probation is nothing but a backdoor way to punish her more for something she wasn't convicted of.
THE Constitution and what we would want for ourselves as a society is WHY I bring this case up, not the person themselves that this case involves.
I have to mention her name because it happens to be the name involved in this particular case, nothing more. If the name was Joe Blow or Jane Blow, I would be using those names instead. The principle of the case is my issue, not the person involved.
The probation on the check fraud was served and for the judge who issued the probation to cry foul now is absurd. I would throw this case out, and quite frankly want this judge who even dared to put her back on probation she already served disbarred and thrown off the bench.
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I know you don't want to hear this but I did a term search and you commented on every thread that mentions the person. First you were angry that everyone was speculating. Then you were upset that others didn't like the verdict. Then you were outraged she might have federal charges brought against her. Now you don't want her to serve probation.
I never even heard about it until I read about the verdict on this website because I don't follow tabloid news. I know people get all moist over real human tragedy but give it a rest, it's unhealthy.There are twists of time and space, of vision and reality, which only a dreamer can divine
H.P. Lovecraft
This is nothing more than the judge and the state attempting to save face for a mistake in communication. The probation ruling handed down by the judge said "after she gets out". The correction department, for whatever reason did not understand or see that. THAT STILL does not change the fact that probation paperwork was signed by both the state and Casey's lawyer and Casey. It does not change the fact that she was visited by a probation officer and served her probation on the check fraud in prison.
It scares the shit out of me to suggest that anyone, accused or convicted of something, could be subject to being punished twice. Mistakes made by the court or law enforcement should not benefit them and if we demand a high quality control so that mistakes do not happen, the answer to this is obvious.
This is about what kind of system we should want for ourselves on the off chance we ourselves end up accused or even convicted.
"Do-overs" as a concept should benefit the accused. If the state fucks up, then the state should take responsibility in the future with other cases, not to fuck up. But once you fuck up, you have no right to put someone through something they have already gone through.
Otherwise there is no point in having our system and we should just let our government come after us as individuals as much as they want. Oversight and accountability were what were lacking in this case. If no probation had been served then I would be all for this judge demanding she serve her probation now. But what is done is done and to suggest more probation after the paperwork was signed scares the shit out of me.
So please, skip her name and put it aside. This cuts to the Constitution and what kind of society we should want to live in. I do not want to live under a government that can make up shit when they fuck up in order to make excuses to pursue it's citizens indefinitely.
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Holy shit! Will you stop accusing me of being focused on Casey. How can I give you an example to SHOW you that this is about the concepts of Constitutional law and precedence and not an individual person?
Lets say I was convicted of shoplifting a 5,000 dollar ring out of a jewelery store. Ok, so the jury convicts me. I get two years in prison. Lets say the judge sentences me to two more years probation when I get out. But that message lets lost and the correction department gives me paper work to serve my probation in jail? How is that my fault that the judge and the correction department were not on the same page?
Maybe if the judge who sentenced me and the corrections department should have done a better job? Maybe in the future when they make similar rulings on other people, THEY WILL NOT MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE.
To me, unless you are willing to hold the system accountable, there is no fucking point in having the system.
Sometimes the bad guy benefits. I would rather have that than a system that doesn't feel it needs to be held to account.
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I don't even understand what you're saying right now. People are on probation when they are monitored outside of jail. If you are in jail then you're not on probation.
There are twists of time and space, of vision and reality, which only a dreamer can divine
H.P. Lovecraft
Though I agree with you on the probation, can we please stop blogging about her. I've had enough.
You can read the most accurate information on the subject of Anthony on my hometown newspaper, the Orlando Sentinel.
Go here for the link if you must - http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/os-casey-anthony-probation-decision-20110805,0,4130840.story
The judge from the murder trial now has jurisdiction as Strickland has reclused himself. Damn good thing too as he has demonstrated his bias on Nasty Grace.
Strickland will likely not be a judge after he goes for election next time unless the state gets to him first. He has violated several judicial rules and needs to be repriminded.
Judge Perry has not made a decision on the probation issue so look for more media bullshit to come next week.
Hope the bitch stays in Ohio or goes somewhere hiding into oblivion and we never hear about her again.
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No you don't obviously understand. Probation, I agree is typically served outside prison. But once the correction department made the deal that she could serve probation in prison, and the paperwork was signed, the deal was done and should not negate the agreement.
The blame does not belong on the lawyers who got the deal on her behalf. The blame belongs to the correction department for allowing it in the first place. The original judge should send a letter of condemnation to the correction department and have the persons/people fired for allowing the deal to be made. But that does not negate the deal itself.
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HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU.
The issue is not Casey. The issue is the public's reaction to the verdict, which was ONE ISSUE. But this probation issue also disturbs me. AGAIN, you could stick anyone's name into this story and my objections would be the same. This has everything to do with what kind of system we should want to live under and VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH CASEY.
OK HERE ANOTHER EXAMPLE,
Lex Luthor kills Superman. A jury of his peers finds him not guilty. The public demands blood because they don't like Lex Luthor. GET IT!
Now, again, I DO find it fucked up that ANYONE would be allowed to serve probation in prison. But if that is what their lawyer manages to get and the state signs it. THAT'S IT.
FUCK CASEY ANTHONY, THIS IS NOT ABOUT HER other that in this case, she is the name involved, NOTHING MORE.
Please stop accusing me of things that are not in my head.
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Touchy. I don't see where I accused you of anything Brian. All I said was can we stop blogging about her. That's all. I just want the daily Anthony hater drones to get off my TV and off my news sites.
And the inept DOC and judges in Orlando have once more shown their colors. I agree that she's done her probation, it's not the first time this has happened here, read the link.
I also agree the public has been enflamed to a lynch mob frenzy. The best thing for people to do is to get on with their lives and let this drop into the past. Those that are so upset over Anthony need to do some volunteer work for abused children or something else constructive. I know that is not you Brian.
Please read what I did say and stop accusing me of something I did not say.
Thanks and have a good day Brian, or a beer or 2.
Later.
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"I guess it's time to ask if you live under high voltage power transmission lines which have been shown to cause stimulation of the fantasy centers of the brain due to electromagnetic waves?" - Me
"God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these divine attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please. Cash and in small bills." - Robert A Heinlein.
Here is your attitude.
You are stuck on her, not me. I am only using her name because this is a case that involves attitude of public and mistakes made by the court.
WHY the case is important is the issue, not the people involved in the case. Just like you have to mention Hitler to explain why humanity should not want to go down that road. Just like you have to talk about slavery even though you don't blame people today for it.
STOP MAKING THIS ABOUT CASEY!
The issue is the public's vigilante reaction to the verdict, and the court trying to save face by trying to undo paperwork they signed. THE NAMES INVOLVED are not important. THE actions of humans and what we should seek to avoid are important. So to we provide examples in discussing such things in history we use names and events as examples.
You are so short sighted. I am pointing at the moon and you keep staring at my fingertip.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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