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Posted on: October 14, 2011 - 2:57am
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Creationist arguments

What are some very annoying or unusual arguments you have heard from creationists? I am building my evolutionist-atheist arsenal.

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Posted on: October 14, 2011 - 4:56am #1
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I'd estimate that about 95%

I'd estimate that about 95% of creationist arguments have been posted in the atheist vs theist and the kill 'em with kindness subforums. Keep your eye on topics that mention evolution in the title as well, since most creationist theists are so delusional and uneducated that they actually think the topics are directly related.

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Posted on: October 14, 2011 - 5:57am #2
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Annoying? After some time, most of them.

Inusual? With experience, probably not. It happens rarely.


Posted on: October 14, 2011 - 10:06am #3
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thanks man

I could care less if they are spiritual or believe in God (although I detest religion), but I really can't keep my mouth shut over this creationist nonsense.


Posted on: October 14, 2011 - 12:24pm #4
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Your one-stop-shop for

Your one-stop-shop for debunking creationist arguments, highly recommended: http://talkorigins.org/


Posted on: October 14, 2011 - 2:00pm #5
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NiccoloM wrote:What are some

NiccoloM wrote:
What are some very annoying or unusual arguments you have heard from creationists? I am building my evolutionist-atheist arsenal.

That's a pretty wide range question. Where does one start?

It is all magic and hocus pocus so all of it annoys me equally.

The earth being created in 6 days. Adult humans popping out of dirt. Adult plants popping into existence without the aid of photosynthesis. The sun and moon being treated as separate sources of light. ECT ECT ECT ECT ECT.

I have heard someone try to claim that "days" were not "days" but "generations", Yea.....

Look, here is how I look at it, even before you get to this comic book, the believer STILL has not established that it is possible for a thought to occur outside a material process, much less one with comic book magical super powers who floats everywhere and nowhere at the same time who meddles in the affairs of humans selectively.

The entire bible annoys me. But so do all religious books. Magic doesn't exist and invisible brains with no material dont exist. Gods/deities/super natural are merely the inventions of humans.

 

 

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Posted on: October 14, 2011 - 11:12pm #6
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natural wrote:Your

natural wrote:

Your one-stop-shop for debunking creationist arguments, highly recommended: http://talkorigins.org/

 

I second this recommendation.  It is where I got my start.

 

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Posted on: October 15, 2011 - 8:31pm #7
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Thank you!

That website is amazing!!!!!


Posted on: November 20, 2011 - 10:07am #8
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Creationist 'creed'

 Have you seen this?

http://creation.com/about-us#what_we_believe

 

What we believe

STATEMENT OF FAITH 
(See also “Good News &rdquoEye-wink

(A) PRIORITIES

  1. The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer and Judge.
  2. The doctrines of Creator and Creation cannot ultimately be divorced from the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

(B) BASICS

  1. The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority, not only in all matters of faith and conduct, but in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.
  2. The final guide to the interpretation of Scripture is Scripture itself.
  3. The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the origin and history of life, mankind, the Earth and the universe.
  4. The various original life forms (kinds), including mankind, were made by direct creative acts of God. The living descendants of any of the original kinds (apart from man) may represent more than one species today, reflecting the genetic potential within the original kind. Only limited biological changes (including mutational deterioration) have occurred naturally within each kind since Creation.
  5. The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect.
  6. The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the necessity of salvation for mankind.
  7. Death (both physical and spiritual) and bloodshed entered into this world subsequent to, and as a direct consequence of, man’s sin.

(C) THEOLOGY

  1. The Godhead is triune: one God, three Persons—God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
  2. All mankind are sinners, inherently from Adam and individually (by choice) and are therefore subject to God’s wrath and condemnation.
  3. Freedom from the penalty and power of sin is available to man only through the sacrificial death and shed blood of Jesus Christ, and His complete and bodily Resurrection from the dead.
  4. The Holy Spirit enables the sinner to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.
  5. The Holy Spirit lives and works in each believer to produce the fruits of righteousness.
  6. Salvation is a gift received by faith alone in Christ alone and expressed in the individual’s repentance, recognition of the death of Christ as full payment for sin, and acceptance of the risen Christ as Saviour, Lord and God.
  7. All things necessary for our salvation are set down in Scripture.
  8. Jesus Christ was conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary.
  9. Jesus Christ rose bodily from the dead, ascended to Heaven, is currently seated at the right hand of God the Father, and shall return in like manner to this Earth as Judge of the living and the dead.
  10. Satan is the personal spiritual adversary of both God and man.
  11. Those who do not believe in Christ are subject to everlasting conscious punishment, but believers enjoy eternal life with God.

(D) GENERAL

The following are held by members of the Boards (Directors) of Creation Ministries International to be either consistent with Scripture or implied by Scripture:

  1. Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation.
  2. The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of Creation.
  3. The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
  4. The ‘gap’ theory has no basis in Scripture. Nor has the day-age idea (so-called ‘progressive creation&rsquoEye-wink, or the Framework Hypothesis or theistic evolution.
  5. The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of Biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into ‘secular’ and ‘religious’, is rejected.
  6. By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the Scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information

 

"Faith must have adequate evidence else it is mere superstition"...Alexander Hodge (1823-1886)

"A myth is a religion in which no one any longer believes"...James Feibleman (1904-1987)

Respectfully, Lyz