Oh I have a huge problem with you banning her (If that is what you are implying) after giving her a time out. If she does something else go for it but punishing someone twice for the same crime is just immoral. All rules are invalidated by pulling that kind of crap. That said if I was cpt I wouldn't bother coming back, recent events have left no room for doubt about how the majority of this board feels about her, personally feel no need to stick around where I am not wanted. And do think that it is a pity that many people here seem to want her gone. A diversity of opinions is always a good thing for me and as far as I can see she is one of thew few atheists here that does not follow the status quo of the RRS. I always prefer talking to the person who calls me on my bullshit than the person who blindly agrees with me.

Me too.  In fact I beg for my friends to challenge my views.  It's necessary to my comfort when I make a decision and then run with it.  However she has never once disagreed with me and helped me reach a better conclusion.  Every single disagreement she has with me is a drain, a waste of time, illustrates her lack of understanding of the issues that I understand already, and is counter-productive.

You probably don't know this about me but as of right now I have a crew of about 10 people who I call on the phone (or send a note) regularly to bounce ideas off of.  I respect these people very much and look forward to hearing them pick my ideas apart so we can make them better.  Pineapple however I can't muster much respect for.  So let's not confuse someone who is good at spotting bullshit and calling you on it vs someone who calls everything you do bullshit. 

I have a dilemma here. I hate censorship, but I can't defend Pineapple's activities. But I really hate censorship. But I fully understand you're feeling harassed, and have the right to defend yourself. But I really hate censorship.

I dunno.

There is that. Still, I don't envy your position. I'm trying to develop leadership skills, and this is exactly the type of situation that comes up on occasion. I don't like not being able to figure out a good solution.
Unfortunately, my inability largely hems on who Pineapple is.
I like to think I know you fairly well. Well enough to know we have things we vehemently disagree on, and things where we couldn't agree more. And to respect you as a leader here, as well as a person. Enough to consider you a friend, even though we don't exactly socialise.
But who is Pineapple? Is she really willing, and able, to make an effort? Does she really know what she believes? There's conflicting evidence. I'm not sure she's centred herself, or reconciled the internal conflicts that everyone has to deal with eventually.
I'm often driven to wonder if she thinks things through.
Yet she does occasionally hit the nail on the head.

That demonstrates a fundamental difference in how we view how things should be. I'm a socialist, and not a fan of private property beyond one's home.
And I can't equate a website with a home. More like a community centre.
Yes, Brian is free to do whatever he wants, he does own the community centre after all. And there must be rules and consequences for breaking them.
But in a social context, ostracisation is the best and natural response to a disruptive individual, not exile. Not unless the disruption is extreme. But I haven't concluded that the circumstances are extreme. Of course, I haven't concluded that they aren't either. It's not me who's been targetted, and I can't assemble an accurate overview.
He asked for opinions, so I gave mine and my reasoning. I don't really have a stake in this though.

you're talking to a marxist with strong leninist leanings.  i think the whole idea of property is fundamentally flawed.  i'm also all in favor of censorship if it serves the revolutionary proletarian dictatorship.

but none of that has anything to do with what is going on here.  i'm just stating the reality of the situation, and in this situation i think looking at cap's possible ban in terms of "censorship" is a bit exaggerated. 

yes, a great deal of the talk about the ban comes from sapient not liking her.  i'm cool with that.  that's a valuable life lesson i try to teach my students all the time: attitude can make or break you, no matter how intelligent or "right" you are.  when one of my classes bitches at me about, "ohhh, you're so hard on us because you don't like us," i usually say, "yes, in a way, you're right.  your attitude sucks, so i'm not kindly disposed toward you.  and guess what?  that will follow you through life.  if you are consistently crabby or snarky with your boss, he or she will likely pass you up for that promotion in favor of someone more genial, even if that someone is less qualified."

nothing helps so much in life as having basic manners.  some people have yet to learn that.  cap might be one of them, which is why when sapient was thinking about a ban, i said it might just teach her a valuable life lesson. 

If it were up to me, I would just give Pineapple's account a longer suspension rather than banning. Perhaps a month? Man, I just hate censoring anyone's expression; maybe I am too accommodating. I don't know.

I could swear I read somewhere on these forums that she called you out on a few things, you agreed, this and that, but maybe I misread.  My apologies if so.  My position still stands that she seems more trouble than she's worth and should piss off.  You've said nothing but negative shit about her and most of the other members are indecisive because they don't want to step on any moral toes, including their own, which I completely understand, but I'm one of those that believes in "what goes around, comes around" and this chick seems to fit the bill worse than a three day ban.  Once again, Brian, you have the final word as always and I'm sure this isn't easy for you even if you can't stand her because you created this website as a bastion/haven for freethought, opinions and a way to speak out against religion.  Let me put it like this; would RRS become less of a place if you decide to extract her from the fold?  All indicators point to "fuck no."

I care more than I should for someone who has some of their faculties still in a slight, lingering disarray. There is the strong possibility that I had a fugue state (unlikely?), dissociative/psychogenic amnesia, or delirium (most likely?) during Black Friday. The problem being... there are things I still can not recall accurately, that evening. I recall posting about this and Brian37's "blind loyalty"... and being too honest for comfort, perhaps? I remember wanting to give as honest an answer as possible. I am also prone to dehydration and electrolyte imbalances, so delirium seems a strong possibility.

Whatever the hell it was... I seem to be coherent now. I also said I wouldn't be posting for the rest of the year. I guess I kinda lied or wasn't thinking straight. /shrug In any case...

Obnoxious prude? Try envious green Little Woman Syndrome. I have Little Man Syndrome, sometimes, while posting here. As you seem to want to draw this sort of aggression on to yourself, so I won't begrudge sapient for putting a dunce hat on you and putting you in a corner.

The problem is that you have such great potential here, if you would simply exercise it a bit instead of attacking people without mercy for not addressing how great a person you are inside, or how you have all the best ideas for atheism, or that you are this prominent Canucki geek girl who plays Miss Understood on someone's website... you might have this fucking awesome niche here at RRS. Also, you are about the only person I can relate to here, at times. Your comments about yourself in "offtopic smearing" describe me to a fine T, for better or for worse. I hope I don't come across as romantically interested, because I'm not. I simply value you as a person.

For that matter, if you want someone to waste time with your blatantly attention-seeking ways, waste it with me... I've got time, and it won't effect me negatively if you attempt to attack my reputation. This is mostly because I have no reputation to tarnish. You can vent on and use me as a punching bag and I promise to defend the ideals of confrontationism as effectively as any Wonderist. (even though I don't fully agree with confrontationism )

Don't throw your posting privileges away simply because you have a Napoleon Complex and want to drain on someone important and visible.

(What Hambydammit said on his blog applies as well)

 Two really good posts from Kapkao! 

Lol. The internet has become a dangerous place to visit whilst inebriated. Fortunately for me, on the few occasions I've combined the activities, I just became an emotional social fiend, sloppily attempting to create get-togethers on sites so members could meet each other and hang out. It's kind of embarrassing (not the concept, but the methodology), but nothing compared to the life altering craziness that some people have engaged in.

in Fairness... "Wow those tits are Huge" is a great Title for a thread.... Just sayin'. ...Other than that, I have no dog in this fight.