Is the whole atheist "movement" getting boring?
Offline I don't mean this in any derogatory way. I love this site and others. However, I find that what needs to be said has been said. Back in 2006, when this site launched along with the Blasphemy Challenge and the books by Harris, Dawkins, etc.., it was like listening to "Safe European Home" by the Clash. That song starts off with a jolt equivalent to several cups of brewed coffee. And every now and then when I hear that song, I still get the jolt. Unfortunately, I don't with the atheist sites anymore.
5 years later, religion is alive and strong. What great sites like this has achieved is enlightening the deluded sky daddy worshippers and greater civil liberties for unbelievers. Yet many of the key players on the forum have left. No word from Kelly O'Connor or Hambydammit. I especially miss Kelly's large, nice, full, round, soft set of......... blogs!
I bet it's just me. I tend to get desensitized very easy. It's like watching the same porn flick over and over again and you end up falling asleep 5 minutes into it when Jenna Jameson nibbles on her partner's nether regions.
I love this site and will continue to contribute. Let's all continue to keep up the good fight. Maybe I should just listen to The Clash while surfing RRS.
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No - I want you to think. End of.
As I said before, there are as many interpretations as there are readers. They can't all be right. They can all be wrong. No need for even one to be correct. You seem to have found one that you know must be right. Good luck to you on that.
I'm still waiting on you to tell me why atheists have no purpose to their lives and can't bring in one of their own..
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
I didn't say Atheists have no reason to live. You're applying that from someone's religious point of view--it's not ours. Their reasons are no different then anyone else,s. I refered to---if you were to change their minds Atheism has no place for them to be. Ok---my home town. It's a community of church goers going back to the old country, as they call it. What they have in common is the commaradery developed by being centered on their church. If, one turns to Atheism ---where to go. They're practically on their own. No social interaction, Then you have to realize that they will come under the judgement of their former peers, would this not be the case. Being that they already accept their surroundings they have no reason to become Atheist. And, if I know my home town correctly they wouldn't care about god or no god, They are content the way it is. Now turn that around and you have an all Atheist community and one joins a religion. The one joining the religion would have the same problem. When I visit my mother she questions her religion extensively, the brothers do the same---but they're not about to become Atheist. They can see the god no god but that won't change their minds. It's the family,friend, and social bonds that they need.
OK. Back to the Adam thing for a bit of clarity. You are correct-there are many interpretations. But there are many interpretations from the material standpoint of interpretation. Considering that the universe contains only two basic things, the material and the spiritual. There may be proof someday that what is termed the spiritual may be found to be material, But so far that hasn't been done. The material is interpreted from the understanding and knowledge of physics. The spiritual is interpreted form the mental sciences. There is nothing else to consider but those two in the interpretation of anything. The Adamites were the first psycho dudes. They sat down and studied themselves and came up with an understanding of themselves. They got today,s psycho dudes beat all to heck. OK don't believe that---but our Psycho dudes can see it plainly. From the spiritual stand point it's a different story. From the spiritual it goes only one way only. At the end of it all one understands the self and everyone else---no one can hide, all are seen. Lie and we,ll know it. One goes back to being Adam---and that's the purpose of the book.
Ok then---which of the interpretations is correct---the nudie doodies, or the childlike character that is Adam.
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OS --- You've been very active on the board in the last 48 hrs. May I suggest you talk to Aussiescribbler.
Never say die Old Seer:
Well of course you can. What many on this board miss is, as with other boards is 'like things'. Where a person is speaking in his own words; and an-other is speaking in their's, can find much agreement if done so without missing overlapping concepts. Not to say there is ever total agreement. Perhaps if you referenced your Psycho dudes, you might see some of those 'like things'.
ps -- I think jcgadfly wanted a follow up cut and paste a link or his comments to your own thread. That way it (the thread itself) is fuller; we must't stray from this original OP. I know jcgadfly would appreciate the effort.
I didn't hijack the thread. I made a comment to be helpful but it taken the other way. The hijacking came from the other side. I only gave advice or insights.
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Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
I apologize for not wanting to own your false dichotomy.
In my view they're both wrong. I told you - one interpretation doesn't have the privilege of being correct but they can all be wrong.
You insist one is right - state your justification.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
If it adds itself up it has to be right. Truth adds up, the false doesn't. If you run the entire book from the spiritual it begins to add itself together after a few things are clearly seen.. But if you aren't willing to look and study then you won't know. If you start now with our interpretation it will be take you about a year, with a little help maybe 6 months. but if you don't look ---you don't. There's only two interpretations possible--take your pick . Does it make sense Adam is running around the river bank nude which is an interpretation from the superficial/material mind---or--- does it denote the childlike entity we say it is. Is a child embarrased to run naked---nope. So the child is unashamed. So "unashamed" equates to childlike. It's got nothing to do with physically naked. I'll bet that isn't good enough, right. So, what does positive reasoning tell you. The intent of the book is to show us ourselves so we can understand ourselves and know what gets us into trouble with each other. Somebody knew long before they were civilized. It's a book of of the mind not the body, about how people think and the consequences. The whol;e history of the hebrews as any other people are a detailed consequence of their history, for their good and for their evil.
The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
https://sites.google.com/site/oldseers
Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
That's why Alpha smurf chose me for this---I have extreme patience. Another could probably explain this better That's what happens when one gets to know one's self but not likely have the patience. There are times I almost pull a Gunny Hartman, but holy Jesus I sure better not do that.
How forums work will get me confused at times as to who is posting what. OK I'll head on over there. But tomorrow
The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
https://sites.google.com/site/oldseers
Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
Did you just use the people-don't-get-my-stuff-cuz-they're-stupid line ?
Crap. Now I'm bored again.
You are enamored of this false dichotomy aren't you? Now you want to add in seafood by throwing in red herrings. But I will answer you question with what I've said twice before. Neither of your interpretations make sense - oh look, that's a third interpretation. Do you see your fallacy yet?
But hey let's get back to the fall. Whether you choose to look at it as physical nakedness or spiritual innocence. My point stands: Whichever way you look at the story God took it from them because he (if you buy the story at all) rigged the test to fail.
Using your interpretation - how is losing spiritual innocence to gain discernment a bad thing? The story claims it is and you seem to like the story.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Ah, yes the "I know myself so i must know everything else" game. Your smurf must give you the patience you take from others.
How does the saying go "Run to those who seek the truth and run from those who claim they have found it."?
This is where you turn into one of these again and say I'm trying to force you to think as I do.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
This thread is in general convo. If a Freethinking Anonymous thread is hijacked, someone please alert me via private message.
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I have a feeling I could get blamed for it. My initial post was a comment toward the subject matter of the OP. The highjacking came after that. I'm not the one that took it off topic. It seems the highjacking take place after someone shows up to try and kick someone's guts out.
The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
https://sites.google.com/site/oldseers
Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
Sorry if you perceived our disagreement as an attempt to kick your guts out. Not intended. Perhaps you need a stronger peritoneum?
Apologies as well for contributing to the hijacking by answering the Old Seer.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
This is really getting to be a pain. Now I have to get the dictionary out and look up "peritoneum" whatever. You invented that just now didn't you, just to make me look stupid.
Your apologie isn't needed, Sir. I just may have whatever it is you pointed out. I'll have to look it up first. Thanks.
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Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
The atheism got boring to me pretty soon, after all it's just about one book from middle east. But the jokes never get old and there's another world of social atheism. The stories of religious and non-religious families in various states of disrepair and Republicanism. The Clergy project, The Ledge movie, the cult refugees, the post-religious PTSD cases and so on. And all that is just from an atheist perspective. There must be some more of cool podcast material on the religious side that we don't hear of, and I don't mean just molesting priests and anti-sexual Christian wives on power trip. There are some signs of Christian cultural tribalism that promise fascinating shit in the fan dynamics once they become aware of atheists as a legit tribe and themselves as a just another tribe.
The religion is boring, it's the people that make it interesting. But I thought it's just me, I haven't had religion shoved in my face for years, so I can't even take a bite off it.
As for Kelly, well, it's kind of a disappointment. I thought she was the type to use her head... you know how I mean it.
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Fully aware, I meant back in the day you could post there and actually have timely activity on your thread. That wasn't my criticism, I understand why that is.
My (constructive) criticism comes from the fact that mods don't prevent this stuff from happening in ALL the forums here. Theist should be welcome to counter or discuss whatever they like, but not derail or hijack. If it's so easy to derail (or be part of derailing a thread,) to keep things from being discussed, then why wouldn't theists continue using the tactic? Also, isn't that a detriment to not only the conversation at hand, but the whole forum? I mean, I've been a member of numerous forums on a wide array of subjects over the years, and on the vast majority of them, mods take action when someone is crapping all over a thread. The only exceptions are the couple sites where the mods didn't seem to care about the forums. This doesn't strike me as a place where people don't care, so I'm a little befuddled on why it happens here. I understand not wanting to censor theists and I agree with that, but mods can warn people for their tactics, and/or inform them they can open a new thread to talk about the off-topic subject. If it continues the thread is usually closed and the OP is free to open a fresh thread. If the same person comes back and purposely does it again they usually get a temporary ban. It happens all over the internet with great success, and IMO would improve this site. No one wants to wade through 30+ posts about x to get back to the original topic.
"They always say the same thing; 'But evolution is only a theory!!' Which is true, I guess, and it's good they say that I think, it gives you hope that they feel the same about the theory of Gravity and they might just float the f**k away."
Who cares about a thread being hijacked after almost a year of no activity on it? Personally I often find the topic of a hijacking far more interesting than the OP, nor do I really see it as being a problem. Usually hijacking occurs after the initial conversation has run its path or the OP can easily bring it back to topic by being involved. Then again, my mind tends to work in a meandering way wandering from topic to topic anyway. For example, I find this discussion on hijacking threads more interesting than Old Seer's ramblings.
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Personally I find the lint I just pulled out of my belly button more interesting than Old Seer's ramblings, but that's beside the point. If people are having a conversation, and all a theist that doesn't like that conversation has to do is come along and ramble and steer things off course, then how effective are the forums as a place to talk about atheist issues? Now if that theist comes and discusses the topic, even if I can't stand their point of view, that's fine. The age of the thread is really irrelevant, since it's not like a wealth of newer, better topics are coming in to keep it down the order.
"They always say the same thing; 'But evolution is only a theory!!' Which is true, I guess, and it's good they say that I think, it gives you hope that they feel the same about the theory of Gravity and they might just float the f**k away."
U were asked to state your justification
A quote from your secondary thread goes as follows:
You think the board is not understanding you. Perhaps you could eliminate some confusion about this (if you'd think it helps) ?
p.s. -- Definitions are a must. I have run into 3 separate examples of specific words that can be referring to a). a religion and or deity b.) a geographic region c.) a distinct population-- a people, in the last couple of days.