No one figures the Washington First nations' have a prayer at any time. Least of all their fans.

                    Now go forth St.Thomas of Brady.

I don't watch baseball

That's okay -- Major League Baseball =and= the National Football League are both very grateful.

Team sports bore the hell out of me.  I can watch MMA, kick boxing or other such sports involving individual competition but foot ball, basket ball, base ball  ......

FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK!

Just like the last 3 weeks, hot chick hits on us, and like a geek we run away screaming when she says yes.

Jeffrick, I knew we would lose, but I didn't think that it would be this close. This had to have you pulling your hair out.

BTW, when Brady threw that last minute interception and they showed the coach screaming at him, I was like, in my head saying "What the fuck, he won 4 Super Bowls". It seemed pretty silly to me considering what Brady has done. That was just one game.

Grossman seems to be a Joe Theisman wannabe, he tries to thread the needle too fucking much and that last second interception which cost us the game is another example of why the Skins suck.

But, the upside, is I cant believe we kept up that long. It is at least nice to know we had you shitting your pants for a while.

Both you and I expected this, but not this close. I just fucking hate that the Skins are such dick teases. Win big or lose badly. We seem to like to tease and lose. I am tired of that.

We should change our name to the Washington "Maxwell Smarts"  "Missed it by that much".

Thanks -- I just spent 2 hours cleaning a virus off my laptop (damned public wifi networks in airports -- someone needs to issue laptop condoms whenever public wifi is offerred ...) and needed a good laugh.

There was nothing in my mouth -- the thing I had to clean off the laptop was some virus I picked up while sitting in an airport waiting for my return flight.

This is only the second virus infection I've had in a computer in 35 years of using the useless buggers.  I originally thought I caught it from here, but after I found the description of the virus, I realized it came into my life on Friday, when I wasn't "here".  Grrrr ....

Prayer is a waste of time. It is merely talking to yourself. And especially in a pass time over rich people who really don't need any help. And on top of that if a "god" gets involved then that is cheating. There are only supposed to be 11 men on each side of the ball.

Furry I know this is not a serious topic thread but it DOES demonstrate how religion infects even the most irrelevant parts of life when there really are far more important things in the world for humans to worry about than a mere sporting event.

AND when players or fans attribute their win or success to a god it really is nothing  but selection bias and sample rate error. There are lots of players who never make it to the league. There are ups and downs for every team over decades of games. If the league continued for 5,000 years, what you would see is that it really is all ultimately a crap shoot.

If the league continues for a long time, even after I die, I am quite sure if in tact eventually the Skins will win another Super Bowl. Not now, but eventually.

Praying over any tv award show, or sporting event is the sickest form of narcissism to me.

The only thing that ultimately matters in any sport is the score at the end of the game. The players can work hard, but we also see cases where a good team can lose to a bad team.

Tomorrow the Skins play the Giants. I expect them to lose, but not because of prayer, or lucky socks or Buddha or Karma. Their over all history would indicate it. But even if they win, that too will not be because of any superstition. If the Skins win, it will be because of a couple of potential factors. Luck, or injury to a key Giant player(never like to see that), or the Giants simply taking the Skins for granted. But ultimately the points at the end of the game are what matter.

I fucking hate you!(Note to reader, I mean that he is getting the game and I wont be)

Well we might have to listen to it through your computer it will be faster than ESPN radio since I don't want to pay to go to a bar to see it.

FUCK, not only does my team suck, a country who doesn't like the game, and a guy who is just listening  to it to listen to me bust a vein for entertainment, is getting the game and I am not.

MOTHER FUCKER!

Never underestimate the power of talking to yourself.  Remember the "Meditation helps the brain" thread?  Apparently talking to yourself =does= help.

Now, begging some Bearded Old White Guy to let your team win a football game, or to help one get laid -- total waste of time.  Sounds a bit like the scene from "A Few Good Men" where Lt. Caffey (I think that's the right character) asks Col. Jessup for the tower logs and Jessup says "But you got to ask nicely"?  Either their god is an idiot, or their god is some kind of fascist -- "The Redskins can win this weekend, BUT ONLY IF YOU ASK NICELY" or "Gee, well, I was going to let the Giants win, but I didn't know what the heck I was thinking.  I guess I was wrong.  Silly me."

            The Washington First nations wins big, congrats to Brian 37.   But Kansas City BEATS  Packers?   Did hell freeze over when I blinked?

                            The Pat's had to win and the Jets had to loose for St.Thomas of Brady to clinch the division title.   BOY DID THEY EVER!!!!!!!!!!!                             The Jets may not make the playoffs. Tim [religious]Tebow found out realists win at football.  Brady has never made a religious statement.

                            edt] Colts win, Washington first nations win, Packers loose;  hell must have frozen over, I just didn' t notice.

God boy in Denver didn't suck up to Jebus hard enough. Next thing you know I'll vote Libertarian. I wonder if QM can explain this? I bet even Steven Hawkins is saying(typing) "What the fuck just happened"?

I think Tebow is a big boy and probably knows Jebus can't win every game for him

I do have a proposition for you -- if you pay me money, I promise I won't pray for the Redskins the rest of the season.  How's that sound?

Oh, and how about them Saints?!?

Being Jewish I am sure you meant that as a joke, But people literally, like you, believe that their god intervenes in human lives. If the God of Jesus is the one true god, and he is all powerful, then why couldn't he help Tebow cheat and win every game? Because there are only 11 men allowed on each side of the ball, if God steps in to help him, it can only be called cheating, even if God only helps him in one game.

I don't care if you do pray for the Redskins or the Saints or the Cowboys for that matter. Prayer is meaningless and the only thing that counts are the points at the end of the game. Other players have lucky socks, or lucky plaques they smack like a high 5 when they leave the locker room. Superstition is superstition and woo is woo.

If the Redskins ever get better it will be because they have better management, better players and better depth and a better balanced game. I don't see that happening soon, but that is a separate issue.

I was assuming that Tebow was more ethical than the God he serves as many other humans are. My bad.

I don't understand this mentality at all.  There would be nothing more or less "cheating" about G-d "allowing" the Redskins to win than causing gravity to exist.  I don't see Atheists complaining about the Laws of Nature, which most (reasonable) theists should all agree equally come from G-d.  You really do sound like "Whaa!  I'm not getting free goodies, there is no god!!!" sometimes.

The god you don't believe in, I don't believe in either.  Either rules are rules and the best team wins (or the Redskins get lucky ), or rules aren't rules and some people get the Law of Gravity and some don't, and so on.  In my observation, the Laws of Natural apply equally, and I'd expect the law of football to go the same way.

Christianity is just a continuation of previous pagan religions that had gods they could manipulate for their own benefit.  If you make the right incantation ("Dear Super Sky Daddy, please send me Angelina Jolie, a Lamborghini, and a winning season for the Redskins.  Amen!&quot, you get special goodies.

Sigh.

Jewish prayer =is= "talking to yourself", by and large.  It is the process of becoming more mindful of G-d and G-d's creation.  It is much closer in nature to Eastern Meditation than Western Begging.

When I was more observant than I am now, morning prayers recentered my thoughts for the day.  It was how my mind went from the normal chaos of waking up, to something less chaotic and more structured.  I did not expect my coffee to magically appear for free, or my pack of cigarettes to be magically refilled.  What I did expect is that if I cleared my mind and focused my thoughts on The Source of Everything, my ability to focus on the tasks of the day was better than if I didn't.  Mindfulness of G-d and G-d's Creation heightens my awareness of the world around me and improves my ability to interact with it.  It doesn't get me free stuff, including the coffee I'm heading out to buy in a few minutes because I'm too lazy to make my own, plus I like leaving the house at least once in the morning.

G-d doesn't need my prayers.  =I= need my prayers.  I also need my coffee.

JEWS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.  If you keep comparing Jews to Christians, you will keep being disappointed.

Thanks for the update. And Coke is Not Pepsi but BOTH ARE  sodas.

Christianity was Hebrew 2.0.  Islam was Hebrew 3.0 But Hebrew was Canaanite polytheism 2.0.

But all of them have the source code of buying the claim that invisible friends exist. Just like Coke and Pepsi require carbonation and MARKETING. Even though the reality is that it would not be good to treat soda as a diet. It may be fun to drink, but it certainly would not sustain you.

Brian,

It is very hard for me to have a QB that kisses the ass of the Jesus.

The Tebow is a True Believer. They are good for 2 things. War and sports.

It matters not that the Tebow believes in fantasy.

What matters is that he wins the damn games.

He does not give up as he always has the hope. This inspires the rest of the team to bust ass.

I don't care how the Tebow wins games. he can wear the same lucky jockstarp every game, he can not shave, he can kiss the ass of the Jesus character.

However, when he does not win, his days could be numbered.

It is painful for me to watch Tebow pray to the sky.

I was not a Tebow fan, I supported Orton. As the Chiefs Packers game showed, the problem in Denver was not Orton.

Tebow fucks up all the time. One never knows if he will get his shit together before the game ends.

But he is actually completing passes these days. Time will tell if he is NFL materal or not.

So true Brian.

All of the close games were actually won by Matt Prater the kicker.

Tim did run so did McGahee and Ball and other players caught passes (there are 2 people involved in a pass), the defense, and onside kicks.

It's a team thing.

Why would a god care who won a football game? Unless he was betting on it in Vegas.

Let's get one thing established right here, right now.

You're not the first Atheist to try convincing me G-d doesn't exist, you will not be the last, the ones before you were not successful, the ones after you will not be successful, =you= will not be successful.

Your behavior is off-putting and borish, and when other Atheists are telling you this, it should be serving as a clue.  While I do genuinely like you and probably would hang with you in real life, my "There goes Brian again!" filter would be getting a good running.

I believe in G-d because I do.  I like cats and hate dogs.  I prefer to have sex with women, but have been known to date men from time to time, I don't like diet soda =or= light beers.  I think that baseball is the most civilized of the professional sports, but love to watch a nice hockey game or even professional (fake) wrestling.  These are the things about me which are not subject to negotiation.

But, just to humor you, because you need a good humoring it would seem --

Let's suppose for a moment that G-d does not, in fact, actually exist.  Nothing about my life would change.  I would still "talk to myself", and I would still believe that Humanity has a higher calling than merely squirting the next generation of human beings out the old birth canal and amassing as much money as possible, all the while screwing over anyone who gets in their way.  If G-d did not exist, I would invent a G-d who has commanded us to take part in that "Higher Calling" because it is important and because I happen to think that eat-the-poor and might-makes-right is morally repugnant.  But the fact that there is a religion which tries to inspire people to lead better lives -- regards of whether they believe in G-d, the designated hitter rule, OR sudden death overtime -- has convinced me that there really is a G-d out there.  It is simply self-evident because the existence or non-existence of G-d is irrelevant to whether or not Humanity needs to act in a manner consistent with the Jewish "mission" -- treating other Human Beings with the respect and dignity that people created B'tzelem Elokim (in G-d's Image) deserve.

The G-d of Judaism does NOT care whether or not you believe G-d exists.  All G-d demands of you is that you not be a putz.  If that's too hard, well, tough shit.  You have no right to be a putz anyway.

Hi furry,

You wrote "All G-d demands of you is that you not be a putz".

If that's true , why did he provide such piss-poor examples of how not to be a putz in the Torah?

Because we're not Christians =or= Muslims.

We aren't supposed to emulate the flawed people in the Torah, we're supposed to learn from their mistakes and NOT repeat them.  But unlike Christians and Muslims, we simply don't pretend that people are perfect.  You make a mistake, you clean up after your mistake, you learn from your mistake, you do your best not to repeat the mistake.