@theists: are you trying to change us or understand us?
Before I ask my question to the theists I will admit that I've done similar things when visiting a theist website, but with a very specific agenda. I was very curious at how some types of theists thought so I would log in and watch their posts.
As for my question to the theists, what exactly are you doing here? Are you trying to convert us? test us? test yourself? or maybe you are unsure of your belief system and are searching for other possibilities?
@atheists, feel free to post if you have an opinion.
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That just isn't what a religion is defined as.
You are making up your own definitions.
Maybe in time the word religion will come to mean 'what one believes in', but it doesn't now.
If it does ever get that meaning, tax breaks here we come!
Are you not trying to read a whole lot into what little illiterate, backwater Galileans could possibly have conceived?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Nor does stringing words together without regard to their established definitions.
I really have never understood what people find attractive in spouting gibberish.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
to comprehend it or leave it be. You have to work on it.
The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
https://sites.google.com/site/oldseers
Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
The info is fact. You can't be a human animal. You are of both sets of characteristics. If one can consciously choose between the two then they are separate. If they are the same one cannot make the choice. If you care not to think about it then you remain the same as you are. One of these sets is Christianity, using both is the world you have- with emphasis on the animal. Knowing this you are now trapped to deal with the facts. If it's not fact, you're not thinking. One of these solves the world's social problems, the other is the problem.
The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
https://sites.google.com/site/oldseers
Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
+ Religions faiths dogma and beliefs are can be composed in a single framework.
I have witnessed in others from the family sustain a big fall (morally). A dilema. If they refuse to turn back, pains to be ruled by something other is this what you mean ? Didnt you specify one is more animal like, if so, would that indicate what you believe ??? OS said, What one believes is also ones religion. So, Ted Haggard belief or action speak to what he is "ruled by"? Or a generation earlier the Pentecostal's Jimmy Swaggart is belief or action speak to what he is "ruled by" ? Some of your statements led to the colorful exchange with one of the mods in the last five weeks. It was so heated I doubt you could have forgotten what. It further prompted some questions about what you were trying to communicate, Old Seer. Did these two come to a cross-roads do they serve to help to understand the phrase you use of being ruled by animal desires ?
What are we taking about, who has given up the animal drives .. Life's tests are given to show what you are ruled by ?
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This assertion-go-round doesn't prove anything whatever. The biggest boundary in all living organisms is that which divides prokaryotes and eukaryotes. This arbitrary division of labels you are dishing up is based on claims that are unsupported by the known facts and unsupported empirically by you, Seer. From you it's nothing but assertions with a nice little fallacious appeal to consequences sitting like a cherry on top...
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Seeker on Seeker, The two centers of being. Elsewhere Seeker said, "One's human side and one's animal side . . if you are superficial and .. (paraphrasing) 'more of the animal side' you will not understand [the mysteries]". Dont leave Extreme unaddressed, please. Nice to hear your thoughts
Now if you could explain your position while you are at it.
You are saying I must take on faith you are posting other than gibberish and then spend to the time to discover what part of it is not gibberish. Why would I do that?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
More gibberish. You make assertions without foundation. If one cannot be a human animal does that make you an inhuman animal?
Christianity has been around in Europe for some 2000 years and if that is what you mean by solving social problems then I must suggest two millenia of failure to do so is dispositive.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml