Proof of Bethlehem + other stuff
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This is huge news, which is made even more wonderful since it comes from such a tiny object. In an excavation in the City of David (the most historically important area of Jerusalem), a tiny bulla was found imprinted with the words “Bat Lechem,” the ancient name for Bethlehem. (A bulla is a seal, usually made by imprinting soft clay.)
This is what the inscription says:
בשבעת (Bishv’at)–”in the seventh” (reference to the year of the king’s reign)
בת לכם (Bat Lechem)–”Bethlehem”
למל ]ך] ([Lemel]ekh)–”to the king”
Bethlehem, famous as the city of Jesus’ birth, has never been extensively excavated, and some wondered if it even existed in ancient times. Only Biblical references survived: no artifacts or tangible proof, no stone saying “Bethlehem City Limits / Pop. 1280″ with a little Rotary symbol in the corner.
With this seal, the size of a small coin, we finally have that proof.
Eli Shukron, the director of the excavation, believes the seal was from a shipment sent from Bethlehem to the King of Judah (possibly Hezekiah, Manasseh or Josiah) around 8th or 7th century BC. This places an occupied, prosperous Bethlehem in the First Temple period. Shukron speculates that the seal was placed on payment of Bethlehem’s tax to the kingdom, and may have been on a shipment of food or silver.
The first mention of Bethlehem is in Genesis 35:19: “So Rachel died, and she was buried on the way to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem).” Its real importance came later, as the city of Jesse, and thus the birthplace of King David. This means it also had to be the birthplace of the new David: Jesus.
But there are a depressingly large number of scholars who believe Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles are merely legends, with little to no historical value. Some have even suggested that David himself is a mythic figure, and that there never was a kingdom of Israel as described in the Bible. There have been persistent claims that Bethlehem was insignificant, or unoccupied, or somewhere else (there’s also a Bethlehem of Galilee), or even nonexistent, and that there was no proof of its occupation by Israelites as early as the 8th century (a mere 200 years after the life of David himself).
There was, in fact, a huge hole in the archaeological record of Bethlehem between about the 14th century BC and the 4th century AD. This bulla fills that hole. It’s concrete proof of a place named Bethlehem that was large enough to be taxed by a centralized Hebrew kingdom in the 8th century BC. In other words, the historical revisionists who like to dismiss the Bible as history are going to need to revisit their revisionism on this point.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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That's a pretty exciting discovery!
i know! it so is!
It certainly has archeological significance. { ...but not quite as exciting as if someone found a pillar of salt that was later proven to be Lot's wife. Has the city of Sodom been definitively located ? }
This is GOOD proof that the Bible is NOT false
No it isn't. Bethleham does not need any more artifacts to prove it is a real place [for 3500 yrs. or so] though it is always interesting to have more evidence from antiquity. Harry Potter books mention London, Romania, Brazil, Edenborogh etc......... all very real places but not one of those places makes Harry Potter anything less then fiction. Sorry guys but you are putting far too much pomp into very little circumstance.
"Very funny Scotty; now beam down our clothes."
VEGETARIAN: Ancient Hindu word for "lousy hunter"
If man was formed from dirt, why is there still dirt?
Well you see the difference between this and harry potter is that we have known all those locations exist BEFORE Harry Potter books 1) because they exist today 2) because there is ample other written history of those locations
THE ONLY PLACE YOU FIND BETHLEHEM WRITTEN OF IS THE BIBLE, AND NOW WE HAVE AN ARTIFACT FROM IT!
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Well you see the difference between this and harry potter is that we have known all those locations exist BEFORE Harry Potter books 1) because they exist today 2) because there is ample other written history of those locations
THE ONLY PLACE YOU FIND BETHLEHEM WRITTEN OF IS THE BIBLE, AND NOW WE HAVE AN ARTIFACT FROM IT!
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The Egyptian Governor of Jerusalem was writting letters to his Pharoh about a tax revolt in Bit Lahmi [Bethleham} in 1400 BCE. There are meny other references to Bethleham in pre-biblical times, being a grainery site {Bethleham means 'house of bread'} it was a tax revenue provider and got it's name written up in meny government archives, before and after the bible was written. Your getting excited over very little.
"Very funny Scotty; now beam down our clothes."
VEGETARIAN: Ancient Hindu word for "lousy hunter"
If man was formed from dirt, why is there still dirt?
Artifacts of a place = shining star leading three dudes, an angel copulating with a virgin, demi-god being born in a stable, and Herod committing mass murder.
Hmm, yep that all adds up.
Wonder why god allowed Herod to kill all of those innocent babies to protect his son; who he was going to allow to be crucified thirty three years later ?
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Probably why you don't believe is because you don't have your Biblical knowledge correct. No angel had any intercourse with Mary. God Himself overshadowed Mary and blessed her with child. Jesus is no "demigod". Being a demigod would insinuate that He is partly God and partly man....That is not the case. The Bible CLEARLY states that Jesus Christ IS the Almighty God, IS the Creator of all things, IS the God of the universe that came down from heaven and humbled Himself as a mere man. As for the star? That was fulfillment of a prophesy of Balaam a millennia before. Herod's slaughter? Jeremiah prophesied that some 400-500 years before. The Bible has no indication of any certain number of wise men following the star, it just says wise men.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Thy name is desperation. Missing letters are missing letters. Therefore you do not have king. Because you do not have king you do not have 7th of anything. In no event do you have any shipment to Jerusalem even if those words were complete. Nor do you have a temple or prosperous town or any of the dozens of other details which could never be published in an archaeological journal.
That Bethlehem existed was never an issue.
You do not and cannot get to Yahweh's sperm getting into a virgin this way. Nor to you get to its existence for any significant time prior to the dating of this seal therefore you do not have Abraham in the mix a thousand years earlier nor to any other named person or event in any story about the town. That an existing place is used for historical fiction does not make the fiction real.
What the desperate believers are doing here is no different from claiming Kansas proves there was a Wizard of Oz.
Evidence for bible stories can only be in the form of archaeological evidence for the people and events just as it is for every other ancient culture. Belief has nothing to do with it. So far all you have is a town name.
For the record this is not the first time Haaretz has published a breakthrough discovery of a seal. The last time it the discovery of a seal naming Jezebel. In the first story there was a drawing of it. Three letters were supposed to read JZL roughly but the Z was missing making it wishful thinking. A few weeks later it was discovered the drawing was backward so the "name" we being read backwards. With all the nonsense around this partial inscription in this one article nothing better can be expected of this find.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
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www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
My poor naive child. Didn't your mommy and daddy explain the facts of life to you? Overshadowed is a euphamism for got on top of her to deposit his sperm. This is jokingly called the missionary position. You can't get children without sperm. The chromosomes, particularly the Y one, have to come from some man's testicles. That is the way biology works. You are caught between your childish beliefs on one hand and reality on the other. That the author chose to keep the story of the divine fucking G rated does not means adults do not know what is being described.
A human egg and Yahweh's sperm. Sure looks like a half-breed to me. How old are you? Hello! Birds and bees. Remember?
Actually it says nothing of the kind. That is invention from centuries later. However, feel free to post EXPLICIT chapter and verse if you think you can find it.
Still no star.
Still no slaughter.
Why do you want to believe such dumb things?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Ok. The Bible CLEARLY indicates a miraculous immaculate conception...no copulation.
Centuries later? Lets start here. In Isaiah, centuries BEFORE Christ: Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isaiah 9:6 "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder. and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Micah 5:2 "But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me on who is to be ruler in Israel, whose coming forth is from old, from ancient days.
Now lets go to New Testament: John 1:1-2,14,18 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without him was not anything made that was made.....and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.....No one has ever seen God; The only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known."
John 8:58 "Jesus said to them, Truly Truly I say to you, before Abraham was, I am."
Matthew 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel (which means, God with us).
Collosians 1:15-16 "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him."
John 20:28 "Thomas answered him, My Lord and My God!
Hebrews 1:8 "But of the Son he says, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Those are just a handful of hundreds of verses. Throughout the Gospels Jesus healed the sick, forgave sins, cast out demons, worked on the sabbath. The Jews, especially the pharisees knew that only God could do these things, and thats why Jesus was put to the cross, thats why He died, because they accused Him of blasphemy, claiming to be God.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
its ALL in the text
First the invite, We all know that mythology is not your best subject. However the conversation is turning towards Mary as we speak.. www.rationalresponders.com/forum/32175
Anybody who mentioned the 'miraculous immaculate conception of Mary' might want to find the time to head over and comment tonight or tomorrow night.
Factoid -- Bethlehem is not the “house of bread”!
Half of the word actually originates as one of the two gods of Lahmu or Lahamu, the etymology stems and is sourced there. No offense
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You have a right to feel excited
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Your word, overshadowed, means missionary position. No miracle in that. It is garden variety he'in 'n' she'in.
OK, it was the first time she got laid, overshadowed for you naive types. When you grow up you will discover the common male brag about having layed a virgin. It is understood she no longer is a virgin.
No government on his shoulders therefore not Jesus. Government has a specific meaning. Learn it.
Never the ruler of Israel. Still not Jesus. Of course if you mean as in crazies claiming to be Napoleon maybe. It does not say claims to be.
I don't see the name Jesus there. Did you misquote?
Delusional but no god claim.
Wrong name, wrong ex-virgin.
In the "Image of" not "is the invisible god." If the latter was meant it could have been written.
What someone called him is not a declaration that he is nor does Jesus reply, You got that straight.
Who is the HE who says this? It is just something a third party said, not with the author supposedly writes.
You are going to need better than this. On balance you inferences if biased and on the other, wrong name which should be bloody obvious even to believers.
Healing the sick was always a standard preacher trick and still is today on the god channel. Anyone with a bit of showmanship can do that. Claimed to forgive sin but presented no physical evidence either of sin nor successful forgiveness. Same with demons both by TV preachers and no evidence of existence or success. As for working on Saturday anyone can do that. As for the claim which reportedly lead to his execution, that was king of the Judeans, the civil crime of sedition.
Obviously you have never read what you posted.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
And you still don't have jack on the seal or whatever it was. If you missed it in the notation used the letters in [] are the missing ones. Your fantacist pretends to get "to the king" out of one letter.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Ok, lets read here, verse by verse:
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The fact that Word is captitalized personifies it, and this verse shows that Word=God and also with God.
John 1:2 "He was in the beginning with God"
this verse gives "the Word" gender and again states He was with God.
John 1:3 "All things were made through him, and without him not any thing made that was made."
this verse is claiming that "the Word", which verse 1 indicates to BE God and WITH God is responsible for creation.
John 1:4-5 "In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."
"the Word" which verse 1 indicates to BE god and WITH God brings light into darkness.
John 1:6-8 refers to John the Baptist and how he came to bear witness about the light, but was not the light himself.
[b]Malachi 3:1 "Behold, i send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger in whom you delight, behold he is coming, says the Lord of hosts."
John 1:9 "The true light,which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world"
The light, which comes from "the Word", which verse 1 indicates to BE God and WITH God is coming INTO the world
John 1:10 "He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him."
we know by this verse that "He" refers to "the Word", and again it states that "He" was here on earth, responsible for creating this earth, yet the world did not know him.
John 1:11 "He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him."
"His own", referring to people, and that they didn't want anything to do with Him
John 1:12-13 states that those that received him, he gave the right to become "children of God"
salvation experience
John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."
This states "the Word" which we know now refers to God and with God became flesh, or man, and lived with us. The words Son and Father are capitalized, which refers to God the Father, and we know that Christ is the Son.
John 1:15 "(John bore witness about him, and cried out, "This was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'")"
This verse is supporting verse 14 with saying this is who John the baptist was preaching about
John 1:16-17 "And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."
from the fullness of "the Word" we receive grace. Previously is verse 14 it is stated the "the Word" is full of grace and truth. We now see in verse 17 that grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known."
John again refers to two different "persons" as the same God, the Father, and the one who is at the Father's side. He, "the Word", the light, the Son, Jesus Christ has made him, God, known.
Chapter 1:1-18 states that "the Word" is the creator of all things, the light shining in the darkness, that "the Word" is and is with God, incinuating that there are at least 2 parts to Him. It states that "the Word" walked among us. It states "the Word" is full of grace and truth, and that grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
To further show that Chapter 1:1-18 is referring to Christ lets go back to verse 15:
[b]"(John bore witness about him, and cried out, "this was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.'")"
now lets jump to verse 29-30,which is about John the baptist:
"The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! This is he of whom I said, After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me."
Verses 29-30 affirm that verse 15 is referring to Jesus Christ.
The Apostle John is CLEARLY stating in the beginning of his gospel that Jesus Christ is 100% FULLY the God that created the universe that has come down from heaven and humbled Himself as a man.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Ok again...where are you getting this? The Bible does not "G-rate" anyting. Prime example is Song of Solomon (Song of Songs in some versions).
The NT discussions about sex are mostly about fleeing sexual immorality, adultry, fornication, and such. If you break down the Greek of those words you get definitions such as touch, going into, fornication(immoral sexual intercourse). The positive marital sex views in the NT are defined as to pay back a debt that is owed.
The OT has a lot more on moral sex. Breaking down the Hebrew you get again definitions such as entering into and physical touch.
The author who wrote about the Holy Spirit coming upon and overshadowing Mary is Luke. The same writer of the book of Acts.
He uses the same terminology "come upon" in Acts 1:8 referring back to Jesus' words in Luke 24:49.
Acts 1:8 "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you"
Luke 24:49"And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high
Again references to anyting sexual in the Bible, if you check out the actual definitions of the Greek and Hebrew words refer to physical touch, entering into, fornication.
If you look at the definitions for come upon and overshadow they mean to be covered by, enveloped, around, near, in the presence of, to throw a shadow upon.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
I adore the fact you love empirical evidence, JLY. Isn't it just great to find material proof of something? Given one bead vindicates the whole bible, what does your new love of empiricism now require you accept as reasonable proofs for arguable truth?
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
dinosaur I wonder if you embrace evolution by natural selection as an explanation for the existence of life on Earth.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Only as far as Hovind, Gish, Ham, et al will let him.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
ok 1) you are pushing this off topic
2) define evolution
What is your background? What do you do? I serve my country in the Navy by repairing com/nav systems on jets, and right now on special duty as a drill instructor, training the future of the Navy. I do not claim to be a scientist. I do not study it, and was not debating it, but you came in and plugged it. What is your expertise in that field? I study ac/dc theory, microwave principles, communication principles, radar principles, ohm's law, kirchoff's law, binary, octal, hexadecimal, solid state devices. There is nothing in my field of of expertise that has anything to do with biology.
Do, you, like i was showing A nony mouse that he was doing, skim the surface, using common "popular" doctrinal beliefs that may not even be correct (ex. saying there were 3 wise men when the Bible doesn't even specify a number, or saying that John 1:1-18 lays no claim that Jesus is the same as the Creator God, when in actuality is does, as i broke down verse by verse)?
Or do you do your tried and true research, either (a) digging through the scripture, bouncing if off the hebrew/greek, analyzing what the verse(s) actually say. Finding where in the OT were the prophesies that the NT claims to fulfill. or (b) in the evolution/biology field actually running experiments, implementing the scientific method.
All I have to say to A nony mouse is i have no problem debating things with you, but if you are going to make a claim make sure you are arguing the correct things.
I created this thread as a "HEY THIS IS AN AWESOME DISCOVERY OF A BIBLICAL CITY" and that is that.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Ok. That is that. We are all just blown away and left speechless. Atheists will be converting everywhere. Oh wait a minute, I used to be a staunch christian and rejected it. No thanks.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
the whole stinking evolution debate does not even matter
whether creation was 6 days, 6000 years, 6 million year w/e....its a pointless debate, and does not take away from the Holiness of God
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Well if it raises questions the credibility and accuracy of the bible, which it certainly does, then it should raise questions to the "accounts" of the "holiness" of the particular god that you choose to worship.
And if you are going to find the unearthing of some old seal to be such extraordinary evidence("this is GOOD proof bible is not false"
then I would think a spectacular fossil which needs no fantastic assertions tied to it should be quite sufficient evidence that the timeline in your bible was off by eons. -Not to mention the rib-woman and the rest of the creation story.
Or you can just change a day to million years and toss aside the utterly ridiculous "accounts" of the bible and carry on with the 'holy' parts that suit you.
"...but truth is a point of view, and so it is changeable. And to rule by fettering the mind through fear of punishment in another world is just as base as to use force." -Hypatia
Well thanks for your service, we all do appreciate it.
Anony actually is a scientist, he probably was involved in many weapons systems you are familiar with as he worked for DOD and the Navy for years.
Anony has heard it all by now and was just being short with you. He pointed out as did Dana that the info on the seal is incomplete, that's what the [ ] is about, guess work by translators.
And, the existence of Bethlehem is not in danger we know it has history.
It's the rest of the story telling from both the OT and the NT that has issues.
There are many cities and towns mentioned in the Bible, so? Storytellers have used the names of real places from ancient times to TV shows. So?
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Hi I see you have an AIM acct. I wanted to ask you a very brief question. It might require a second but I think it will have to be in real time though. If you arent too busy PLEASE at least consider this request
i haves used aim in years. plus my wife wouldn't be too pleased with me sitting on an instant messenger for a while...get back to you from here
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
i haves used aim in years. plus my wife wouldn't be too pleased with me sitting on an instant messenger for a while...get back to you from here
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Okay I dont know where that is coming from? Wife can be happy, THIS IS GOOD
Moving on. Anyway your wive neednt worry about 20 seconds of time Pretty damn crazy. Love is so hard to find these days, I'm told :¬ Just as well I am not really into passing secret notes to anyone. This is not something that has to do with the board or this thread, mostly
Please note you are about the only who doesnt know by your response I am locked out of my Yahoo! Account or I wouldnt be trying to AIM anyone. Okay then.
Couldnt know if you were willing to head over to the thread"
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FYI Religion Forums religionforums.org has a Mod whose sole duty in life is to teach everyone about Hebrew if it helps you. It's free.
As for the URL Personally getting tired of *this being used over and over and over. I've gotten tired of arguing with 161/2 to 201/2 years old. Something tells me he doesnt have the folklorist chops to do what I suggested anyway. Which if nobody does it, I guess the world will be no better or worse off either way. Just so you dont think I have a stutter, I will ask you no more than once or twice to post this link and comment at the Thread, I may have mentioned to you. Plus, It is the weakest plank in an already questionable stratagem. Oh And, The Theist set arent too crazy about it either.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
This sort of thing will not do, obviously, and I make it clear 'weirdness can happen' by the slightest miss-que Dont invite weirdness.
Making a big deal about a request or a PM is inviting weirdness. Please treat me like anyone else on the board or I will be glad to take a
lesson from my bro and change my Avartar daily if necessary. Hope you understand..
Horus is who's son ? Think. Maybe you might remember if you checked out the URL. I dont send YouTube videos because I dont have my speakers hooked up. The URL is about something. It is related to a thread on the board if I had emailed you this would have went so MUCH more smoothly . You can understand why I wouldnt want to place all of this right in the middle of your thread ?. The blog is from 2005 he might be at the heart of a thread, one with the word Isis in it Now it comes all clear. Remember the only Jesus some of us will ever see is you See It was nice talking to you ( I can be incorrigible ).
Random Bible verse :: But whoever shall occasion the fall of one of these little ones .. it would be better for him to have a millstone hung round his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
Ignoring all the rest of this for the time being, I agree with you in no small part. I love archaeology. So yes, it is a cool discovery. The point I made was simple - that embracing empirical evidence means you are put in a position as a christian where embracing empirical evidence must challenge your supernatural beliefs.
I think your choice of words really covers it here. Personally, I find natural selection of advantageous mutation to be a wonderful scientific theory, a beautiful and a simple theory with a gravity of its own. A magical system for which no contradicting evidence has ever been found. I am very familiar with this theory and willing to discuss it with you but honestly, not willing to get nasty about it. I was being pointed earlier but not hurtful.
The piece of material evidence that you were so excited about is exactly the same, and the feeling just the same, as the indubitable fossil evidence for evolution that I get excited about. It made me wonder if you'd thought that acceptance of material evidence is an epistemological position that comes with ramifications for christian belief systems. Perhaps this is no issue for you - and if so, fine.
On the other points, and with due recognition that calling an opponent on their vocation rather than responding to a point they make is ad hom-ish, I'm a technical journalist of 25 years experience - electronics, computing and networking. I'm quite well read on biology and geology - never enough and not an expert but more than literate. My library is heavy on early life but has of frustrating data gaps on speciation and abiogenesis.
On the godly side I'm not a theologian by any means but generally know my bible better than most. As a former christian I know what it feels like to be a believer. My mum was a missionary and my dad a fundamentalist evangelical minister who incidentally, flew 3 tours out of Guadalcanal in support of the U.S. Marines in WW2. So if it helps us to understand each other, I know what it's like to wake up and hear my old man through the wall, crying out for bombs.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
All I said is when my wife is home she gets my attention....thats when its time to get off the computer and have quality time. Our marriage is Biblically based and it will hold strong.
ANYWAY. Who is Horus is the son of Iris and Osiris, two egyptian gods. There was a type of physical intercourse that led to Horus being born. so here we have 2 gods having sex creating another god.
Jesus. The Spirit of God overshadowed (there is NO translation where the word overshadowed translates to intercourse) Mary and she became blessed with child. That same God that overshadowed Mary was then born as a man. So here we have the creator of the universe being born as a man. 100% God, 100% man.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Thanks for the response ..
Dont think I dont know how to get a hold of the Brass
ok, and y was i asked to respond to your post, and what does "don't think i don't know how to get a hold of the brass mean?" u sure are a confusing person.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
"How to get a hold of the meaning .. [of] brass"
From your Profile, The Answer you should have guessed I meant "the Naval Brass"
You have some trouble understanding ( I take it ) ? Any utterly 'unintelligible' bits Nu. 32 part b (the last paragraph) or in the last two questions you or any of my posts to you in this thread. Viewed within my previous remarks are simple commentary (which assumes you and anyone else read the thread at rationalresponders that I specified, and the link and the blog's Url about Horus) Without that complete context no one on the board could know what I meant, .. CONTEXT ,the fog lifts . Have you consider the cause of the difficulty
isin comprehension has less to due with Pronouns , unusually 'enigmatic' or puzzling speech choices, etc ?. Example is as simple-as someone has linked to a sports page and is wearing a sports jersey. Makes a enigmatic statement like, 'I sure like my Team'. You can draw meaning from other cues. This is much the same. The MORE we even talk about this, the more lack of focus is on the invite and the link itself. There is a focus issue more than you realize at work. Also, Mostly about the thread here (I asked), I'd imagineTake advantage of the links I gave you, got it!
Hebrew lesson is a free one if you will remember that for this, Mod is a great guy but you have to sign up I'm afraid
There is nothing to g-rate here. It takes a sperm and egg, period. Mary's egg, your god's sperm. The translator's choice of overshadowed for "got on top of" is a different issue. Missionary position. Your god's penis injected sperm. That is what it reads. How can anyone read anything else from the plain words?
I am not interested in the rest of your crap trying to change the subject. Birds and bees stuff. Things you should have learned by age 15 at the latest. This is the way it works for sexual reproduction on this planet. This is what demigod means.
You will have to explain who invented something contrary to the plain words and why you were dumb enough to believe them. Not my problem. Your problem.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
It is a fossilized angel.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Bullshit! I read the words you quoted and read them. You have a serious problem with what the words say.
Your serious problem is with what you quote as authoritative. You refuse to accept what the quote says. Overshadowed means fucked in the missionary position although doggie-style is possible.
As noted there was never a question of existence of they town. All I pointed out is the translation is fanciful, wishful thinking at best.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Then he would be familiar with the SQS-53C as part of the SQQ-89 sonar suite. I had ultimate tech cog on the former and did the DDG-51 layout for all of the latter. The 89 included the towed array and the helo dipper whose designation escapes me at the moment.
If I may be so bold he is covering elementary shipboard radar probably with an eye to the SPY-1 or -3, aka Aegis system. These are flat plates that form beams by phasing the elements rather than a rotating antenna. They are hexagon shaped. You can easily find photos of them on net. In any event he is teaching introductory stuff leading to not sounding dumb when talking about their specialty.
There really isn't much point in teaching more theory as the diagnostics tell which cards have failed and to need replacing.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
So you are willing to go as far as saying the Holy Spirit is the one with the sperm and did the fucking. Is this supposed to be a quibble without a distinction?
Who said it was a translation? It is a euphamism. Or do you think the gospel used the English word overshadowed?
She got pregnant with child even though she was bloody surprised to learn the child was a god in other places. God at 12 teaching the silly priests. Why did that surprise her? Had she not spent years getting all the correct answers from him at home? Water into wine? "You can do it standing on your head, kid, now mind your mother. We've got booze hounds here."
She was either pregnant or she was not. Period. If pregnant then her egg of in vitro fertilization. There is no way out of it. If in vitro then not her son, end of discussion.
How can you possibly be so ignorant of biological reproduction AND be a sailor? Don't they give shore leave briefings these days?
But if her son then her egg then you god has sperm and Jesus is a demigod.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Granting this archeological piece is legit (and not another example of Isreali pseudoarcheology to desperately have a stronger hold of land), all it shows that the the Bible is NOT false........
on one thing.....
A city.
That's it! That's all!
The core story of the Bible still remains in the fail zone.
Confirming ancient cities does not mean old folktale (that has been edited numerous times) about what occurred in said town actually happened. 10000 years into the future, if an archeologist finds a historical piece that proves there was once a New York City, that does not prove there ever was a Spiderman.
This is why when addressing the historicity of the Bible or any sacred text is close to pointless. We have confirmed the existence of many cities and islands mentioned in Homer's Illiad, but that does not prove the existence of cyclops or Greek god(s).
Sorry for all you excited Christians on this thread: but this piece does not provide squat for your religion or your jesus.
Muslims claim Mohammed was a real person, and many outside scholars agree, but you are not a Muslim because Mohammed existed? Mecca is a real place, but that doesn't convince you to become a Muslim. Buddha existed too, but you are not Buddhist.
We can prove that George Washington existed, but no sane person in their right mind is going to claim he was invisible and farted invisible Lamborghinis out of his ass, or cured the blind or survived rigor mortis.
You can go to the movies or watch a DVD of Superman flying around NY city, because that city actually exists, does that make Superman real?
All you have stated here is that an object was found. So what, if that were all it took to make a god real then the Ancient Egyptian gods are real because we can touch their monuments and tombs and depictions of their beliefs at the time. Tell me, is the sun a god? It should be if we go by your logic.
What makes you think your currently held belief wont become some future generation's myth? The Ancient Egyptians had a long run of 3,000 years, but that did not make the sun a thinking being.
I am not trying to burst your bubble to be mean to you, but open you up to consider that you are NOT doing anything differently than the people currently with other gods today, nor are you doing anything differently than the ones in the past once believed to be real that are now considered myth by most today.
If you want to believe something badly enough you will. The idea of having a super hero can be emotionally appealing to our species and our species has always had vivid imaginations in concocting them, but none of the people who have written books about, or monuments to god/s have one lick of evidence for them.
1. A history of claims does not make a claim true otherwise the earth would be flat and there was a long history of all cultures in antiquity believing that.
2. A history of tradition does not make a claim true, otherwise you could be Muslim or Hindu and could use their excuses to cling to their traditions and beliefs.
3. Appeal to emotion is not a valid argument because everyone who claims a god has an emotional reason to justify the label they pick.
4. Argument from popularity is also too not valid, because if we go by greatest numbers then everyone in the world should become Muslims because they have the most members.
Your post is nothing more than what theist always do, grasp at straws.
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