Are there any human transitional forms?
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Are there any human transitional forms?
Are there any human transitional forms?
I have heard in the past that the transitional
forms that were found were proven to be false.
for example :
Nabraska man
Lucy
And others
Are there any transitional human forms that
Are proven to be real? If so, please name a few.
appeal to ignorance is an argument for or against a proposition on the basis of a lack of evidence against or for it. If there is positive evidence for the conclusion, then of course we have other reasons for accepting it, but a lack of evidence by itself is no evidence for a no God.
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Every life form is transitional. The idea that evolution happens all at once and in one generation is ridiculous. It happens piecemeal over dozens of generations. No single 'transition', as it were, would be sufficient for us to classify a creature as belonging to a new species. And it likely would be regarded as an aberration rather than evolution at work by people who know so little about evolution as to be asking about transitional fossils, which every fossil is.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Your parents are transitional forms between your grandparents and you.
Are there any chimpanzee,ape,gorilla, urangatang
species directly ancestral to humans? If yes, what
Are they called and were have they been found?
For example : Nebraska man and Lucy .
appeal to ignorance is an argument for or against a proposition on the basis of a lack of evidence against or for it. If there is positive evidence for the conclusion, then of course we have other reasons for accepting it, but a lack of evidence by itself is no evidence for a no God.
I have never heard of the Nebraska Man nor Lucy.
Richard Dawkins covers this subject extensively in "The Ancestor's Tale". Well worth the read. If you have time of course.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
You mean are there direct ancestral species that still exist and live today? If so, no. If not, then there are (or should I say were), but it's not a field I know enough about to make specific references. Most of the fossils that I've looked into were told to me by theists seeking to disprove evolution, and were fakes or mistakes. But the scientific community knew they were fakes/mistakes, and didn't use them as evidence, so the point was moot. Piltdown man comes to mind as an example.
Today, the study of evolution has largely moved away from fossils, for a few reasons. First, fossils are exceptionally rare. Complete and undamaged fossils even more so.
Second, knowledge of DNA. An amazing amount of proof for evolution and how it functions has been found inside living creatures.
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DNA doesn't survive fossilisation though, so fossils are useless in this branch of study.
All known ape-like mammals arose in Africa.
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The Piltdown Man was a hoax in which bone fragments were presented as the fossilised remains of a previously unknown early human. It was discovered by: Gerrit Smith Miller, Jr. an American zoologist and botanist.
The thing about DNA is that it is hard to understand. It is a complete
Different language .
appeal to ignorance is an argument for or against a proposition on the basis of a lack of evidence against or for it. If there is positive evidence for the conclusion, then of course we have other reasons for accepting it, but a lack of evidence by itself is no evidence for a no God.
Yes, and nebraska was an error. And the brontosaur was actually mismatched fossils from an apatosaur, and never existed. And thousands more mistakes have been made in science since humans first started using it.
Trick is, most mistakes and frauds are caught pretty quickly. What was the most recent fraudulent fossil anyway? Last one I heard of was in the early 1900's. Almost a century ago.
The last mistake was probably in the last few minutes, but that's the way things go. It'll be corrected in time.
DNA is not a language. It is a sequence of chemical interactions under certain pressures and temperatures. Like the atmosphere and the core of the planet. And a nebulae in space. And Sol. And everything.
The only apparent difference is that we appear to be intelligent. Sometimes...
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Technically, DNA is not a language (at least in the concept of a spoken language like German and French) .
I don't know about these hoaxes that you are speaking of and what exactly the existence of a hoax would prove ?
There have been many known hoaxes that have been exposed over the years, but how would a hoax, in and of itself, disprove evolution ?
What is that old saying : "One swallow does not a summer make."
After all, the scientific community does not embrace something until it has been tested, measured, verified and then investigated further.
Evolution, in of itself, is not based upon a couple of findings and hoaxes.
Besides, let's take a long line of people for example, each one representing, say 500 years. After the first twenty or so, you may note a slight variation, but not very visible, same thing with the next group and so on.
People did not become what they are today overnight.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Jimenezj
Here are a few webpages that might help
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_human_evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominid_evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_fossil
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
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Lucy is a significant find in the fossil record. It showed that the hominids began to walk upright before the development of the big brain. The opposite was thought to be the case.
Wiki On Lucy
Most natural museums have a cast of the original. The National History Museum in D.C. has one. It is interesting to compare the various hominids see various stages of evolution and also divergent paths. I find it all intriguing and wish I had of taken science in school instead of theology.
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
But who found those mistakes. Not a Christian with Jesus whispering in their ear, but a scientist. Christianity has added nothing to the pursuit of truth, but have been in the peanut gallery repeating false claims or old news and have been in the courts to stop mankind's progress. They have such a poor record. That was one of the things that woke me up. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Guess where religion has always stood. If you don't know check with Galileo. It took the pope over 4 centuries to apologize.
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
Indeed. And he got flack for it. And there are still people who defend the church, as if there was anything to defend.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
I don't think scientist have a complete grasp on
DNA. The genetic code was only discovered in the
60's. Maybe in the next 60 years will we know
More about DNA. .
appeal to ignorance is an argument for or against a proposition on the basis of a lack of evidence against or for it. If there is positive evidence for the conclusion, then of course we have other reasons for accepting it, but a lack of evidence by itself is no evidence for a no God.
Vastet I am sure will provide better answers. But we have mapped some organism entire genome, including apes like humans. It is like a fingerprint but in far greater detail. It shows how all life is connected and how some species are closer than others. The wonderous thing it agrees very closely to what biologist have been saying since Linnaeus taxonomy developed in the 1730s. DNA has only confirmed our understanding of life. It is so reliable that courts of laws use it to convict or exonerate individuals. There is no need to wait.
It is even being used to determine how to tailor treat individuals who have diseases like cancer. It is an exciting part of science that you are missing out on. It one day could save or extend your life just like science has been doing all along. I thank science because it saved me. I had cancer and it has been in remission for over a decade. It is simply brilliant stuff and it so dwarfs any miracle found in the bible. Millions of lives are being saved, not just a handful that got lucky to gain god's attention.
Get yourself a real science book and read it. Don't read religious tainted material who's only purpose is to scare you. Science books don't threaten you but educate you.
You will be glad you did.
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
I'll go another way.
Did you know that gravity was 'discovered' more than 400 years ago, and even today has not been adequately calculated to explain our observations?
Did you know that the entire medical industry as you know it didn't exist until the 1900's, yet today you can get treated for a million things that would have killed you before the discovery of penicillin?
It is likely that we will never have a complete grasp of anything. But balls dropped STILL fall at terminal velocity, and penicillin STILL kills a thousand things that would otherwise kill us.
Science works. It provides both results and explanations. No major scientific theory has been overturned in ages. Because even if it isn't a perfect explanation, it works. And nothing else even does that much.
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Science , medicine and technology is good for humanity but
Can also destroy humanty . As in the example of the Nazi
Scientist, Irans nuclear technology and Iraq chemical biological
Weapons . Great achievements have Been made in science, but
Also great failures as in the atomic bomb . It is because
Of human nature. I believe that the true nature of the human
Being is evil and therefore corrupted . From corruption comes
Error and confusion . If the nature of the human being leads to error,
Then the humanist agenda is a lost one..
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
appeal to ignorance is an argument for or against a proposition on the basis of a lack of evidence against or for it. If there is positive evidence for the conclusion, then of course we have other reasons for accepting it, but a lack of evidence by itself is no evidence for a no God.
Well if "the nature of the human being leads to error" then take the issue up with the Master Designer™. *We are ( allegedly ) as God designed us, free will or not.
Well humans are mainly in the gray area, not just good and not just bad, there is a lot of grey inbetween. Just like in nature, the water that soothes your thirst can drown you, the fire that keeps you warm can burn you. Just like an ax can be used to chop wood it can be used to kill. Science and it's knowledge gained are just tools in the end, how those tools are used is a different issue, but humans are not inherently corrupted and evil, if that is the case then no good would happen at all, no one would oppose those that we consider evil. No we human are both good and evil and lots of grey in between. The atomic bomb was far from a failure it was a weapon designed for that it was used for what it was meant to be, there was no failure there.
What is your intended point:
"Science et al. can bring good, but can also bring harm...therefore there are no human transitional forms...
(and the bible is true)"?
There are no theists on operating tables.
The atomic bomb was designed to kill people,
And therefore a failure on the intelligent human
Beings that designed it and used it.
appeal to ignorance is an argument for or against a proposition on the basis of a lack of evidence against or for it. If there is positive evidence for the conclusion, then of course we have other reasons for accepting it, but a lack of evidence by itself is no evidence for a no God.
"...therefore there are no human transitional forms... (and the bible is true)"?
There are no theists on operating tables.
What is your perspective on homosexuals ?
I'm just curious based on your picture that says
Fags.
How is it a failure? It did exactly what it was designed to do, kill people, destroy cities, end a global war. Millions of people had already died in the war the bomb ended that. Get a dictionary and look up the word failure.
"Very funny Scotty; now beam down our clothes."
VEGETARIAN: Ancient Hindu word for "lousy hunter"
If man was formed from dirt, why is there still dirt?
{ edit: addressed post to wrong theist. sorry }
Why are you having trouble with sticking to one topic?
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
Scientists certainly DO have a grasp on DNA.
Adenine
Guanine
Thymine
Cytosine
And it DOES back up evolution, PERIOD!
It will not back up claims of invisible friends of any myth or religion anymore than it will prove the existence of pixies or the tooth fairy.
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What's your perspective on a man having multiple wives and concubines ? ...slavery ? ...incest ? And the examples I'm referring to are the Biblical patriarchs such as Abraham and Jacob, among others.
But god gave us these human brains remember ?
If a painting is bad, do you blame the paint or the painter ?
If a watch can not keep time, do you blame the watch or the watch manufacturer ?
If a car is defective do you blame the car or the manufacturer ?
If the creations are so inherently evil and bad, then it would be obvious, that the creator was inherently evil and bad.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
I would say it was smart people that used their knowledge to make a weapon of mass destruction and used it as intended, and in the process stopped WWII with the japanese....since they surrendered shortly after it was used that was the end of the war. Again, it worked as it was intended, no failure on the intelligent human beings, on the contrary it shows our ability to understand all the possible uses for atomic/nuclear power. In the end, if they had followed the bible or other holy scripts it wouldn't have stopped at two atomic bombs, it would have stopped at the total annihilation of the japanese, children, women, livestock etc, etc. Same to the Germans, italians, polish, russians, and any other perceived enemies. So yes humans use their knowledge for both good and bad, however there is a HUGE amount of grey in between, The use of the atomic bomb was a means to end the war, which at the time was used and justified to kill 100's of thousands to save the lives of even more 100's of thousands if not a million more lives. Also since the japanese had been warn already to surrender or face utter annihilation, the bombs served as a warning that it was very much possible. Good and bad but tons of grey in between. It is not as black and white as you make it out to be.
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Elegant. It turns their designer argument right back at them. I am going to have to remember this one.
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
At one time it was thought creationists were a transitional form between lemurs and early primates but the Lemur Anti-Defamation League objected.
The reason they were thought transitional is because they appeared to believe they could get a response to such questions and then reply with some lame ass quote from a fellow creationist. It was rejected because creationists do not exhibit the ability to reaon exhibited by lemurs.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
As you know nothing at all about the subject just what gave you the idea you have an opinion on the subject that even you would listen to?
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
And listening to way too many Best of George Bush speeches reruns.
That is called eingineering.
Typical crap from an illiterate preacher and miracle working con artist.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
What in the hell is wrong with killing people? It what people made in the image of the great mass murderer in the sky does. It often orders people to do it.
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. That is all anyone needs to know about Israel. That is all there is to know about Israel.
www.ussliberty.org
www.giwersworld.org/made-in-alexandria/index.html
www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml
You said,
The use of the atomic bomb was a means to end the war, which at the time was used and justified to kill 100's of thousands to save the lives of even more 100's of thousands if not a million more lives.
I agree on your logic. A good example of this is the death of one Jesus for the salvation of many in the world.
John 3:16
appeal to ignorance is an argument for or against a proposition on the basis of a lack of evidence against or for it. If there is positive evidence for the conclusion, then of course we have other reasons for accepting it, but a lack of evidence by itself is no evidence for a no God.
Remember this,
The painter has not finished his master
painting.
Read Genesis and Revelation .
And exactlty how is the painter going to master his painting ? Apocalypse ? End of days ? A thousand years of Satan and a thousand years of God ?
Sounds like a real pointless and futile waste of time if you ask me.
Why allow a Hitler to be born in the first place ? Why allow any of the wars ?
I guess your going to give me the free-will argument.
Let me draw this analogy :
I am supposed to babysit some children. I leave the room and the little children alone with a bunch of dangerous toys and potential safety hazards. I occasionally pop my head in the room, see that havoc is starting to break loose, shake my head, sigh, and say that although I love all those little children, I can't interfere because that would be taking away their right to choose. BUT, the only way that all of this havoc can end, will be if the children turn their will and life over to me.
Does that sound like an insane scenario ?
It does to me.
After all, why is it that God is supposedly only demonstrating his love through "faith ?"
Would you take a job where the foreman told you "You can't see the owner, you will never be able to see the owner, you don't even know if the owner exists, but if you have faith, the owner will send you a great paycheck for hard work at the end of the week ?"
Sounds allot like those e-mails I get from rich "princes" in Nigeria that want to send me millions of dollars. All I got to do is "believe" them.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
and everything in between. A fairy tale not meant for those who take it literally.
An eternal lake of fire where the greater majority of humanity will burn for his glory. Makes jesus' bad weekend on a cross look pretty lame. Design FAIL.
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
Who was it that once said " An infinite punishment for a finite regression upon a human being that was created with faults, hardly constitutes love or justice.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
I can't remember who drew that analogy up for me. I think it was one of the You Tube Atheists that I listen to. If I am not mistaken, it was one of Darkmatter 2525's cartoons.
I too, thought it was a good argument about "design". I'll try to look it up.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
If humans are clay pots and God is the Master potter , then your
Complaints are illogical .
Isaiah 29:16
You turn things upside down, as if the potter were thought to be like the clay! Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, "He did not make me"? Can the pot say of the potter, "He knows nothing"?
appeal to ignorance is an argument for or against a proposition on the basis of a lack of evidence against or for it. If there is positive evidence for the conclusion, then of course we have other reasons for accepting it, but a lack of evidence by itself is no evidence for a no God.
"...therefore there are no human transitional forms... (and the bible is true)"?
What is your perspective on staying on topic?
There are no theists on operating tables.
All the more reason to study and understand as much as possible. You cannot EVER stop all humanity from progression, unless you kill all humanity. Someone, somewhere, will always be looking for something new. Do you really want some guy in a garage in some city to be the one who figures out how to create a fusion bomb or create some super virus, by accident or intent, while the rest of the world is oblivious to their impending destruction because science has ground to a halt and nobody would even know what to look for to stop it?
You talk about Iran and the Nazi's, yet ironically only the US has released a weapon of mass destruction on a population in the last 80 years. Your definition of evil is flawed.
Burying your head in the sand to pray for salvation from a non-existent deity is a sure way to extinction.
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
Yes so that god could forgive humans for sin that he himself created.......not really a logical being that god you have there.
If your statement is true then prove it.
Where in the bible does it say that God
Created Sin?
Au contraire.
Why would the master potter punish it's pots for turning out the way that he designed them to be ?
THAT would seem very illogical.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Well let's see, he deliberately put a tree in the garden of even with the full knowledge that fruit would be eaten and allowed Lucifer to come into place.
If god is all knowing, all-seeing and all-powerful, why did he do any of that ?
For no other reason than for perverse pleasure of setting people up to fail and damning them to eternal punishment.
Would you deliberately set your children up to a test that you knew they would fail and then punish them for doing so ? Falls into a sadistic category if you ask me.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Well in isaiah 45:7 does state that god created light and darkness that he created peace and created disaster. If i have to continue regarding how god created sin i will assume your bibilical knowledge is limited then.