Meanwhile in the land of reality beyond the delusions of gun nuts.

http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/region/blair-county-gunman-kills-three-people-667321/

Your fucking high as a kite to think that the 2nd Amendment should stay as it is and allow people to have full or semi automatic weapons, with huge stock piles of ammo. Some of these assholes have more weaponry than the armory at Camp LeJeune in North Carolina. It's fucking bullshit.

Give them one revolver and one bolt action with enough ammo to defend their house and do some hunting. And like in the military, the must account for all the ammo the check out.

What genocidal dictator did not advocate strict gun control?

  Sorry digital, not only am I high as a kite I've even been accused of spouting off.   Gosh, I hope I don't get put on a government watch list.

My point is that these people who have more guns than what are needed. They have guns that are more powerful than what is needed.

A single bolt action and a six round revolver is a shit load better than these automatic weapons with giant clips. Having been in the USMC and having experience of firing weapons from a cap & ball pistol to a Mark19, the easy of firing a weapon and the ease of reloading does make a difference in skill level.

If the douche bag who shot up the elementary school had one bolt action rifle and one service revolver then you can bet that less people would have died, maybe even none.

I don't put the blame on guns. I put the blame on the mother and the father. The mother because she didn't do enough and the father because he washed his hands of his son. I also blame the system because there is no check and balance for sick people like this; and I believe there needs to be a system in place.

I do not believe we need cops staying at every school. That's a bullshit claim by the NRA.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/21/16069537-nra-blames-media-music-and-more-for-culture-of-violence?lite&gt1=43001

The problem is the education of people who own guns. It's the tracking of mentally disturbed people. It's that the NRA has manipulated the system to allow people to have massive arsenals which they do not need.

Vermont has almost the lowest gun violence per capita. They allow concealed carry of a firearm with out a permit.... how's that for some gun  control?????

  Really, who gives a damn if you were in the Marines ?  Does that make you an expert on Constitutional law ?   I've shot civilian owned HK MP5SD, a 100 round belt from a German MG34, Ruger 556K,  Colt M4 carbine.  So what ?  Should I agree with you because you were in the Marines ? Get over your self.

  I bet you're really good at following orders though.

As I understand it, the 'right' was designed to make it impossible for the government to rule the populace by force. Well guess what: You could have mint condition factory and/or custom models of any and every weapon ever conceived by man, and your government could still kill you, all your friends, and indeed everyone in your state with a couple phone calls, and none of that weaponry will give you any chance to resist at all.

The 'right' to bear arms is antiquated foolishness without a shred of logic to stand on. And every year we watch another few hundred kids get buried over a delusion as ridiculous as theism.

"It was supposed to make those in power think twice before abusing it."

Semantics.

"Only if nuclear missiles don't count as weapons."

A nuke would simply hasten your demise. There are tens of thousands of well trained individuals, any of whom could take out 5 average citizens without any trouble or even being seen in less than 10 seconds, who work in teams to coordinate efforts to put you 6 feet under, in as many pieces as they like, who will follow orders to do so.

"Except that people like to be able to defend themselves if attacked..."

Since when is suicide a legitimate defence strategy?

HUH? And what the fucking does Bill Clinton have to do with this? It would be like saying Bill O'Reilly is calling for a ban on guns while previously saying "Guns should not be banned". Who cares?

Vermont is a highly rated state for schools and their citizens are more educated. Their lower gun violence isn't because of their gun control laws, it's because the citizens are actually better than the other states.

<face palm> Fail.

   I don't know, something about him being President of the United States at the time he proposed it ? 

                 Because the NRA and Bill Clinton are in agreement. 

You used the word in your original comment. Are you saying you should have used a different word?

Yea, owning a nuke makes you dangerous--the governments of several countries own lots of nukes, and the people running those governments don't feel the need to attack each other.

Do you actually think being willing to kill people on command is a good thing?

And who or what keeps us safe from our governments?  Do we just beg our governments not to hurt us?

OK... that doesn't change the fact that I can go buy any kind of gun that my little heart desires off the freaking street. Completely illegally. As I said before, more laws? Who cares, that is not going to stop a maniac from getting guns and using them.

The facts are that shootings like this are extremely rare and that the vast majority of gun violence occurs due to gang related activities. The fact is that the most likely person to kill you is your spouse, your siblings, your kids or your parents unless you are one of those people who participate in gang activity. If you are worried about avoiding being murdered the best thing you can do to protect yourself is avoid your family, don't join a gang and avoid the big cities with high crime rates (like Chicago).

The fact is that if a gun is used to commit murder it is almost always a handgun. "Assault rifles" (actually all rifles together) kill fewer people in our country every year than "hands, fists or feet". The second most used gun for murders are shotguns which still falls below "hands, fists or feet".  

Handguns also hold the distinction of being the most commonly used weapon for self defense, perhaps one of the reasons that crime of all types has been declining in correlation with states allowing concealed carry.

The fact is that the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by people who have gotten their guns illegally and have not bothered or do not qualify for a permit. Someone with a concealed carry permit is statistically less likely to commit a violent crime. Even with all the additional laws they risk violating (such as walking into a gun free zone while carrying) concealed carry license holders have a lower crime rate than a random sampling of citizens, including violent crimes in states where they track such things.    

The fact is that crime rates have been dropping across the board despite significant relaxing of gun control laws, the exact opposite of what was predicted by gun control groups and precisely what was predicted by the pro gun groups. And the fact is that the only gun control laws that might have prevented this specific event would have been an absolute ban on all guns assuming that Lanza's mother was a law abiding person and wouldn't have purchased one illegally and that Lanza would not have been smart enough to find another way to kill all those people or to obtain a weapon illegally. I'm pretty sure that someone who has decided to commit mass murder isn't worried about breaking a few more laws...  

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/RSD/CHL/Reports/ConvictionRatesReport2011.pdf

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And the fact is that if we want to decrease violence, including gun violence, we need to seriously address the problem we have with drug gangs, an issue that is virtually ignored by our politicians. Focus on the people who regularly break all laws rather than making law abiding citizens like me and Prozac into criminals. The fact is that David Gregory broke more laws than I did this week (while arguing that the law he was breaking should be a national law...)

"You used the word in your original comment. Are you saying you should have used a different word?"

Strange as it may seem, I do make mistakes.

"Yea, owning a nuke makes you dangerous--the governments of several countries own lots of nukes, and the people running those governments don't feel the need to attack each other."

We aren't discussing government ownership of nukes, we're discussing personal ownership of nukes.

"Do you actually think being willing to kill people on command is a good thing?"

It can be. It's subjective. Would you rather have Iraq's military, which effectively surrendered without firing a shot?

"And who or what keeps us safe from our governments?  Do we just beg our governments not to hurt us?"

Nonsensical. The only way to overthrow a government is to have the military on your side, or at least be neutral. Citizens owning weapons cannot accomplish anything. The military owns more, and is better trained, and works very well together.

They are an exception. It's like France having limited gun control laws but they have a higher education than americans.

I agree with the reform of the school system. It's so fucked up that I fear for my children.