"I give God 10%. Why do you get 18?"
Offline This is probably one that fiscal liberals and conservatives alike can take exception with:
A diner, claiming to be a pastor, objected to the automatic 18% gratuity added his bill (for a table of 20).
From The Consumerist:
But the diner has scratched out that tip, writing instead that “I Give God 10% Why do you Get 18″ and adding the word “pastor” above his signature. And instead of leaving a tip that was merely less than the 18%, just wrote a big “0.”...We understand why someone might be upset about an automatic gratuity. But we can’t recall any religious texts that claim the best way to combat an unpleasant situation is to leave a passive-aggressive note while simultaneously penalizing someone who did not create the problem.
There's a discussion to be had about whether customers ought tip at all, and if so, how much. However, if this individual is in fact a pastor, the particular irony is that he himself works for tips; earning far more than the average restaurant server, while providing a far less valuable service.
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How much do waiters in the US make again ? I heard it's 5 bucks an hour + tips, if any. That's a joke, right ?
...............it's no joke and it's the same here in Canada. It's about 1/2 the minnimum wage + tips which in some areas works out to less then $5 per hour.
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I remember a new law... I think it was here in Florida though. All "tip based industry" jobs have a mandatory X% of tips per year. So if you are a waiter you WILL pay taxes on X% of tips whether you got them or not.
Similar here. You have to prove you don't get tips if you don't claim them. Otherwise the government assumes a number based on a percentage of your wages.
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And now this http://consumerist.com/2013/01/31/waitress-who-posted-no-tip-receipt-from-pastor-customer-fired-from-job/
So much for xtian forgiveness and turning the other cheek. If you can't afford a decent tip, you shouldn't eat out.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/tipping-pastor-apologizes-687234
And you also got a waitress fired you selfish bitch.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
My response would have been "Because I exist, god doesn't"
I know it is common for church groups to stiff waiters/waitress but I really don't understand why. And now a pastor was not even embarrassed and demanded everyone be fired. What an idiot.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/31/applebees-fires-waitress-for-exposing-pastors-give-god-10-no-tip-receipt/
Anyone have a thought as to why a pack of christians think they shouldn't tip? They don't have to go to a resturant.
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I used to deliver pizzas, and the biggest cheapscates were not the poor or the middle class. So "if you cant afford a tip then don't eat out" is classist bullshit.
I do understand when someone simply wants a pizza but doesn't have money for a tip. I get that because where I lived and what I ended up with after gas and insurance and bills myself. I get it.
Again you treat poverty as a crime. The crime here was not poverty, the crime this pastor committed is the same crime you commit in justifying keeping your own money, because you know what the right thing is, but simply don't want to do it.
Right, so you can help that waitress out by not being a classist jerk yourself.
That same waitress if someone else poor came in and honestly didn't have money for a tip explained it to her. That waitress is probably going to be really understanding. Just like when I went to more poor locations in my dilivery zone. Now I will say this, if you are doing that to me everyday, then I'd have a problem. But the people that stiffed me the most or gave the lousiest tips most of the time were the rich.
My middle class and more poor customers ratio wise tipped far better. RATIO WISE.
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No it is a financial reality. If you can't afford to pay the labor you should eat somewhere cheaper. I think it is rather rude to expect people to work for you for free. Of course, I understand that you expect all sorts of people to work for you and not pay them. If you are so broke that you can't afford to tip 18% you should probably consider going to a grocery store where you can get the same food for half the price, not only for sake of the servers you are about to stiff but also for your own financial stability.
And if you have the money and refuse to tip you are an selfish asshole who deserves to be ridiculed.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
If you have money for the food but not the tip just get carry-out. But to be served for free us an asshole move.
Anyone want to venture why a gaggle of christians think they deserve to be served for free? If I had such a job I would chase them out the door and have them explain it to me. I would start with "humility". Please sir I see you chosen to give no tip. This is embarrassing and my boss will think I am a poor worker, and I have a child and a widowed-mother to support. What could I do to earn your tip the next time?
I guess, barring someone else's better explanation, its just an asshole move. Afterall on christian websites they talk about guns, obama, homos, abortion and never helping widows and the poor.
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Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
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Yeah, it is rather comical that (or tragic rather) that my current city has a HUGE homeless problem, a church on every street corner, and while the christians can turn out en masse to protest Planned Parenthood, and turn out in HUGE masses to eat at Chick Fil A, they keep their doors locked and try to escort anyone off their property that is homeless.
The ones that do serve meals, generally require you to hear a sermon first.
Fucking churches.
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"If you cant afford it"
Is classist bullshit.
Dont sit there and advocate the sale of all sorts of shit the middle and poor buy and then blame them for the shit you sell.
"lf you cant afford it"
LISTEN TO YOU
So why not go all the way. Instead of just fucking the poor why not treat them like Jews because you magically found the Ayn Rand "final solution".
You are great at "sink or swim" which is part of evolution, but it is not the only part of evolution and compassion is the part you don't want to see. You smoke the same utopia crack as anyone else who touts monochromatic solutions to a complex species. Money is your god, you are too stupid to see it.
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I'll give a server a tip only if they earned it. And I won't do math, I'll give what I feel like. It's ridiculous to expect me to pay on top of my bill. Fuck that. You chose the shitty job not me. And the food already cost twice as much as it was worth.
I never got tipped in any of my jobs. In fact I was not allowed to accept tips for more than half my working life. Tips are gifts.
That said, noone should get less than minimum wage. Expecting people to do well on half wages is as stupid as expecting me to pay extra just because the restaurant won't pay fair wages.
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No it is a comment on how much money you have in your pocket at the time you are deciding whether or not to eat at a restaurant.
I strongly advocate that if someone cannot afford what I am selling that they do not buy it. I am a big fan of fiscal responsibility and living within your budget.
I don't think it is compassionate at all to stiff servers, it is the exact opposite of compassion. Servers are working for one thing and one thing only, because they need money and if you are not going to pay them, you are forcing them to work for you for free. The server didn't decide "Hey, I am feeling charitable I am going to donate my time", they are at work doing their job and I strongly believe that when people provide you a service they should be compensated and if you think they do a good job they should be well compensated. It isn't fucking complicated. But I'm sure your boss will be happy to know that you think it would be compassionate for him to decide not to pay you.
If you don't tip you are a dick, period.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
If you expect a tip you're a dick, period.
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Because when you get caught being a dick, you can just go "but I'm a christian !", and people will immediately back off.
This is messed up, I'm the one who is always accused of wanting to exploit workers and being responsible for the low wages of poor working class because I don't support things like minimum wage etc.
So you have no problem with forcing the employer to pay $x/hr but refuse to pay the server directly yourself? So employers should pay more, except you when you are the employer? They should be paid more but somehow not with your money?
If the minimum wage is raised they are simply going to raise the prices on the menu- the customer is still paying for it indirectly.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
What's messed up is that restaurants don't pay full wages and expect me to toe the bill. The guy in electronics at Sears who spends 5x as much time with you as any waiter ever would, educating you in the process, doesn't get a tip (no commission either). Why should some asshole server who mumbles and isn't ever around when I want him get one? Why does the restaurant get to make its customers pay its employees directly? It's stupid. They don't even cook the food.
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I was over at a friends house, some 20 years ago, when we got hungry and ordered a bunch of pizzas.
I was working for a big company and made a shit load of money so when the guy came to the door he couldn't make change for the large bills I had in my wallet.
As my friends looked for small bills to pay for the pizza and leave him a tip, I stood at the door asking about how his night was going.
He told me that we were is first delivery and that it was his first job and first evening working.
I looked at him and asked, "So we are your very first customers?"
He affirmed to me that we were is very first customers.
I asked him how old he was and he told me he was seventeen. He was working for to make money so that he could go to prom the next year.
The bill was roughly $80 for the pizza and originally I didn't want to give him a $20 tip, but I looked at the situation and my good fortune, pulled a $100 out of my wallet and gave it to him.
He was stunned and didn't know what was going on.
I told him, "Keep it. Don't tell your boss or any one else. Take the $100 and put it towards your prom and then tell them you got a $20 tip. If any thing, you will never, ever forget this story that your first tip was $120 for $80 of pizza".
He was delighted. Shook my hand then left.
My friends all rolled on the floor laughing when I told them what happened. They really wanted to see the kids face when I did it.
I felt good.
Well if you go to the same resturant and get the same server and don't tip, don't be surprised if they don't spit, sneeze, or drop your food on the floor, pick it back up and neatly put it back before it gets to you. In the US you tip. At a number of restaurants I become friendly with the servers. I would not tip without a damn good reason.
If you ain't got the $$ for a tip you should get carryout. Problem solved.
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
This discussion reminds me of the famous dialogue at the very beginning of Reservoir Dogs between Steve Buscemi and the fellow bank robbers.
I still do not know how to embed, but this is SO relevant to the topic at hand :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-qV9wVGb38
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
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Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
"I give god 0% so I can give you 28%" lol, that is brilliant, I am going to start writing that when I use my card.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
Your service probably sucks because you don't tip, which puts you at the bottom of their priority list. Try tipping 30%+ and you will find that the service staff will rush to give you things you didn't even know you wanted. Rarely do I get anything less than exemplary service at any place I frequent. Servers learn really fast who takes care of them and who doesn't.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
So why are you people so big on tipping waiters yet talk about takeout as if those people didn't also expect a tip? Seems hypocritical. Delivery drivers earned it more than a waiter, yet he's getting about the same wage as the waiter.
As for pissy waiters, I rarely go to restaurants. Chances are the entire wait staff has been replaced. And it's their own fault for doing a shitty job anyway.
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I didn't tip because my service sucked, not the other way around. The service comes first, since you're confused about temporal issues of which comes first.
If I have a waiter that's good, and I have spare money, they'll get a tip. But that doesn't always happen.
I might tip 30% if I were rich, but I'm not. And I'm not going to never eat out just because I'm not rich. It literally takes an elitist asswipe to suggest otherwise.
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My family and I went out to eat at a Chinese restaurant tonight. We go once a month to this place and it always has good food and service.
The waitress tonight disappeared and the place was fucking empty. I looked all over for her and couldn't find her so I grabbed one of the other waiters.
He brought me my refills and took care of the questions from my wife, but the waitress didn't come back until it was time to give me the check.
The sushi sucked tonight, not her fault, but not coming back to the table is bullshit. I waited on tables for five years and I knew better. Once the food comes, ask if there is any thing else you can do, then come back at seven minutes, eight minutes, and nine minute intervals, always asking for more drinks or condiments.
I wanted to leave her a 10% tip but my wife talked me up to 15%. Usually I give 20%, standard. If they are really good I give 30%.
He's all knowing, all seeing and all powerful, but he still needs money.
He could have bet on the Ravens if he was running low on funds. Since of course he controlled the outcome.
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Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
That's called the drive-through here. Take out is when you get the rest of your meal packed up at a restaurant to bring home, which didn't make sense in the context.
However, even if you go to McDonalds, you ARE being served. Why no tip? A waiter gets 18% of your bill just for walking to your table? Ridiculous.
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At McD's you walk to the counter and pay the guy and take you order to a table and clean up your own mess afterwards. Also, no one checks to see if you need a refill or want desert.
So at McD's there isn't any more service than going to a 7-11.
In the US your take out would be called "getting a doggie bag", that is taking home your left overs, which is another thing a server would do. What was that thing Bertrand Russell said, England and the US are divided by a common language. Seems it applies to Canada as well.
Religion Kills !!!
Numbers 31:17-18 - Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
http://jesus-needs-money.blogspot.com/
Most people at McD's do NOT clean their own mess. The employees who get 4 hour shifts on average so they can be denied breaks which you refuse to tip do that. I know, I was one once upon a time. My first job after a paper route.
There's a shit tonne more service at McD's than a 711. Probably more than most restaurants actually. It just isn't particularly accurate, because the company cares about speed more. But that's not the employees fault.
They even offer refills and deserts when ordering.
Only thing they don't do is walk to your table 4 times a meal as they walk by anyway.
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"Appreciation", they mean, I think, but still, a good idea.