Hmmmmm.......So all strippers had bad parents? It's so easy to blame parents for everything. I'm a fan of Mr. Sulu but he's so immature to actually believe there are parents who just can't wait for their darling little girl to grow up wearing stilettos and wrap their legs around a pole in front of salivating onlookers. What are his views on those clean sewers or shovel manure? Must have been bad parenting. Oh to think that those individuals made a choice in deciding those professions. Sulu needs to go after the rally sicko parents like Adam Lanza's mother who let him have several semi-automatic weapons.

All I gotta say is this:

1 - I dated a stripper and she was fucked in the head. I didn't know it at the time, but she was damaged goods. Fucking awesome in bed and slightly freaky, but terrible in the relationship beyond the sex.

So what was her problem? She was raped and forced to have sex with family members (uncles and the such). The family was terrible, which I met several times. She could have been so much more, but she quit school and went on to make some local porn videos and got involved in meth. Bad shit that meth.

2 - Check out the Bio's from several famous porn stars. You'll get the same story. Rape, molestations at an early age. Lack of education. Very smart women who know how to manipulate and use their bodies to get what they need.

3 - Only the smart ones get out of the lime light while they still can; too many get addicted to drugs or the sex. They ended up being washed up hags in the end and blow all their money on cocaine.

The smart ones who get out of the business while they can still have fucked up issues. Several of them tried to make it in to the mainstream, legit businesses, but really the only thing for them was to manage other porn stars or to slip away in to obscurity.

Since when does anyone really give a shit what Takei thinks anyway ? I sure in the fuck don't. I don't give a shit what any of those actors/actresses think.

The way I look at it, they are no different than pole dancers. They get paid to entertain, not enlighten, discuss or sway my political/social views.

I  watch movies, shows, or whatever else for the sole purpose of entertainment, unless it is a documentary or the news. Not because I care anything about the people in them or what they do in real life.  

Same goes for singers/songwriters/bands and all of the rest of them.

Most of the strippers that I know wouldn't care about an Internet meme either.

I mean really, with the exception of the Grumpy Cat memes, I think all of those memes are horseshit anyway and scroll past every one of them on Facebook without even reading them.

 I too, agree with harley.

  edit: When I was younger and sometimes went to titty bars with my friends I never really got turned on by the topless dancers up on stage.  It seemed so f**king corny and cheap.   Funny, but I considered the nude female models in my college drawing classes to be more of a turn on, and that wasn't even their intent.

it was more of "slut shaming" that caused the comment storm.

I think part of the reason this attracted so much attention is because George Takei has been a very outspoken advocate of Gay Marriage Rights and other similar Issues, and has done so with a good sense of humour and all around cool guy-ness; His response to some piece of Marijuana Use Legislation and Gay Marriage Legislation passing on the same day was to say "Now we really know what the Bible Meant when it said 'any Man who Layeth with another Man must be Stoned.'"

I Imagine finding out that even generally cool guys like Takei can have malformed and bigoted opinions on subjects they aren't qualified to talk about came as a bit of a shock, which was only exacerbated when, after being called out on the problems of his views, he chose to double-down and deliver a backhanded apology, rather than accepting he was wrong.

And to digitalbeachbum in particular; Part of the reason Strippers (and Prostitutes and Porn Stars and other Sex-Workers) get stuck in the job is because of idiotic beliefs like yours which denigrate the job from "Just a Job" to something 'terrible' and 'shameful' which, due to the continuing prevalence of the Virgin-Whore Dichotomy, means that any woman who has at any point partaken of such a job is forever sullied and no longer fit for normal life.  I mean, how is someone supposed to Leave behind a Porn Career taken out of financial desperation when they get fired from their new "better" job after this half a decade old career comes to light?

 

I must say that you summed up ALL of my feelings on this subject quite well.

Yeah, Modern Humanity still has some pretty fucked up 'principles' regarding Sex.  Plus they still tend to have fucked up ideas about women in general, but especially female sexuality, women having jobs, independence, and in general women doing anything that they receive any personal benefit from whatsoever no matter how small it is.

And Sex Workers are like all of those put together.

if i were george, i would just say, "it's a fucking joke, people, remember those?" and let it go at that.

i think george could have a lesson from louis c.k. here.  i love that guy.

yep, fuckin' right it's just a joke.  i wish you and everybody else would keep your fuckin' hands off comedy.

i am a firm believer that NOTHING should be off-limits in comedy.  N-O-T-H-I-N-G.  to paraphrase joan rivers, humor is how we talk about and work through all the pain, all the degradation, all the stupidity that is humanity.  if a joke is bad, it's because the writing is bad, not because the subject matter is "politically incorrect" or "taboo."  if you think people make jokes about stereotypes only to perpetuate them, then that says more about your rotten perception than the comedian.

if people like you had their way, there would be no lenny bruce, no joan rivers, no richard pryor, no chris rock, no louis c.k., no billy connolly, no paul mooney, no dave chapelle.  we would all just have to listen to motherfuckin' hacks like paul reiser and rita rudner bitch about airline peanuts and their spouses' toilet habits.

fuck you and your mincing, thin fuckin' skin.

He's pretty awesome. He had a show for awhile that I didn't enjoy much, but that was a taste thing. He's done writing for pretty much everyone, and does a lot of standup.

My favourite comedian right now is Ricky Gervais though. Listening to him tear the bible apart was just crazy awesome.

I agree. I have always been of the opinion that if a joke isn't offensive to someone, it probably isn't very funny and if you can't laugh at yourself or your own group, then you aren't very funny.  

I like Ricky Gervais.

I am not usually big into comedy, but the few skits that I have caught of him are pretty good.

Lucky Louie was the one. I didn't know he had a new show, I'll have to track some episodes down.

I mostly just smirked and chuckled. No peed pants.

bah vastet, it will be the mighty beaver that rules, it will drown the great panda and the elk, with the flooding of the lands!!!!!!!! Hail the mighty FURRY BEAVER!!!

Verbal Abuse:- ‘Words that attack or injure, that cause one to believe the false, or that speak falsely of one.  Verbal abuse constitutes psychological violence.’

Verbal abuse may be overt, usually angry outbursts and name calling or covert and very subtle. Overt verbal abuse is usually blaming and accusatory, covert verbal abuse is hidden aggression and its aim is to control without he other person knowing it.

In general verbal abuse is a means of maintaining control and Power Over an individual or group.  Verbal abuse prevents real relationships because aggression, whether open or subtle, destroys communication.

‘Verbal Abuse as Jokes – abuse disguised as a joke is a type of verbal abuse which most abusers use. It takes a quick mind to come up with ways of disparaging another individual either crassly or with wit and style.  This kind of abuse is not done in jest.  It cuts to the quick, touches the most sensitive areas and leaves the abuser with a look of triumph.  The joke never seems funny (if it’s intended for you) because it isn’t funny.  It may also be obvious that the perpetrator's jokes don’t demonstrate good will or any interest in the other person other than to assert dominance and end any communication.’
‘The Verbally Abusive Relationship – How to Recognize it and how to Respond’ Patricia Evans

 

i agree with you 100%.  i used "objective" for symmetry's sake, i confess.  a better term would be "empirical."  i don't really believe in "objective" reality at all, and the older i get the closer i get to rejecting ontology completely.

application: the lack of a truly (popperian) falsifiable ontology is just one more very good reason not to be a self-righteous prick.

Talking of furry beavers in a thread about strippers and offensive comedy, there is a punchline somewhere in there. 

Off topic here, but it seems like every good sci-fi show that I enjoy comes out of Canada.

Continuum, First Wave, Lost Girl, Being Human, The Dresden Files, and quite a few others.

Not saying that I watch all of those series and keep up with them.

BUT, when Continuum is on, NOBODY had better bother me or call me on the phone

Same thing with The Americans and Justified. Although both of those are made in USA.