As usual the theist resorts to ignorance to make their point. Unfortunately for said theist, he happens to be on a site where some people have an interest in history and can expose the ignorance upon which his point rests. There was significant protests against the Nazi regime and it is estimated that approximately 80,000 non-Jewish Germans were killed by the regime because of their opposition. 

Perhaps one of the most famous protests was the Rosenstrasse protest in which hundreds of women protested toe to toe against the Gestapo aiming machine guns with them. Due to their fearlessness, the Jews were released because the Nazi's made the calculation that murdering all of the German women would be a public relations disaster. 

http://rinr.fsu.edu/fallwinter97/features/hitler.html

Other brave people dared to challenge the Nazi regime such as General Ludwig Beck who fought Hitler's policies all the way and eventually participated in a conspiracy to attempt to overthrow him along with three other high German leaders that would have made Carl Goerdeler chancellor. His attempt failed and when arrested he voluntarily attempted suicide.

http://militaryhistory.about.com/od/1900s/p/World-War-Ii-Colonel-General-Ludwig-Beck.htm

Then we should all know of the heroics of Oskar Schindler and other people like him who did everything they could to save lives. While we all know of Oskar Schindler because of him being immortalized in one of the best movies of all time, there were thousands of other Germans who passively resisted the Nazi regime in similar ways by helping to hide Jews or warn them when they were about to be arrested. 

The Red Orchestra was a communist German group that opposed the Nazi's. Harro Schulze-Boysen was one of the leaders who was captured and sentenced to death in 1942 because of his resistance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harro_Schulze-Boysen

Hitler faced many coups and assassination attempts that arose from Germans. He hardly had 100% support from his country and no doubt for every person who was willing to face near certain death, thousands of others supported them but were too afraid to fight.

Even teenagers got into the opposition against the Nazis. Gangs began to form known as the "Edelweiss Pirates" which consisted of kids 14-17 who escaped Nazi education centers. While their protests mostly involved the type of minor vandalism you expect from teenagers and street fights with youth who supported Hitler, it demonstrates an undercurrent of revolt against the regime. The Nazi's thought it was a serious enough threat to imprison many of them and send some to the concentration camps (not everyone sent to the camps was a Jew).  

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/edelweiss_pirates.htm

Care to make any more confident declarations about what didn't happen in history? Or what isn't happening in science? Sorry pal, your ignorance isn't going far here. We have a lot of intelligent people here who all happen to have interests in different subjects. Just because you have already gotten owned in the science aspect by Vastet and Wladyslaw doesn't mean you can turn around and hope that we are ignorant of history. And now that you have been shown to be a fool here, I can guarantee that whatever you turn to next, someone on this site will have the information at their fingertips to reveal your ignorance for what it is. People on this site read books other than the Bible. The only arguments that have a prayer here are those made from knowledge. Any argument that begins with "I bet you can't explain ______" is going to find someone with an ability to provide an explanation. This isn't your typical forum full of uneducated idiots, we have a good group of people who like to read and value knowledge. (even though we do tend to call each other idiots when debating with each other and when we feel really insulting we will say "like a theist" ) 

Want to try linguistics? Got some people who can school you there. Archaeology? Yeah, you will get schooled there. Want to talk about the origin of the bible? I guarantee a couple of our members know more about how it was written and the interpretations than you ever will. Care to try the "you're taking the bible out of context" approach? Some of our members were ministers and many have read the bible more in depth than you ever will; plus they actually thought when they read it. Want to get fancy with some philosophy? Have a few people here who could give all of us a university level education. And you should probably avoid science entirely as I think nearly every field of science is represented here either by someone who is involved professionally or is a well informed amateur. One of the reasons I love this site is how much I learn from the shear wealth of knowledge held collectively.  

You might catch any one of us on some subject which we are less interested in and therefore less informed of, but someone else on here is going to catch it. Go ahead, bring it on.  

While I didn't correctly deduce to whom your last sentence was addressed, I definitely didn't think you were trying to be mean anywhere in your post. The sad face was only to express my sympathy that you were being ignored. I do really appreciate the clarification, though. (:

My statement was not about what the Bible teaches--it was about what many of the Christians I've communicated with claim to believe.

Neither the Biblical God, nor any human, is worthy of worship.

Since the thing I want most is to improve the world in a significant way, where do I go?

Sorry I didn't respond to your whole post; I'm feeling rather tired.

 One more thing I wanted to mention about Near Death experiences, is that the things experienced during the near death experiences, are infact relative to the culture of the person have it. By which I mean a Christian would likely see "Heaven" and " angels" etc... while an Indian may have a glimpse of his reincarnation or of seeing Vishnu, or perhaps even meeting Brahma. I would dig up some links, though I think you'd ignore them. However if you express interest I would gladly cite my source.

@ Whoever is curious about NDE's

The relevant fact to mention was, that the brain activity of the  example was completely off. The near death experience provides good evidence , that thoughts are not depending on brain activity.

Awesome posts folks. The best thing about ignorant theists making fools of themselves is that sometimes they provoke the posting of extensive amounts of knowledge that can be verified simply by reading and researching. I learned a few things today. Thanks!

I should first have a bash at defining what I mean by morality. I see it is a code of conduct that describes why and what one does when one feels/thinks that it’s ‘the right thing to do’. What one does is partly due to our nature (eg we do it even when we are babies) and partly nurture, due to what we have learnt from people and experience.

This code of conduct can be expressed as a set of rules to follow, and one of these rules is do what feels right in certain ‘instinctive’ circumstances.
If these rules are written on a piece of paper they are just an approximate representation of one’s morality.
One’s morality exists in one’s body, seemingly in the brain. When we are dead we have no morality, so our morality is physical. It requires a living body even if that piece of paper still exists. 

Yes, concepts, mind, consciousness etc. are not physical in the same sense that grains of sand are, but they are a property of brains. If there are no brains, there are no concepts. Feelings are a property of physical things and so will be in the realm of evolution. 

I grant that as far as I know, science hasn’t yet totally pinned down what mind is, but each new discovery in this field seems to support this interpretation.  I’ve never seen any evidence that these properties are spirits. If they were, they’d be found existing outside of physical bodies. 

I could be wrong. If these spirits can be found to exist, I’ll believe in them. I’ll also grant that some of my argument above could be improved, but it’ll do for starters.
 

If you plan on killing my babies, I’d argue that it is immoral because acceptance of such a plan as moral creates a society I don’t want to live in. My first reaction though would probably be instinctive opposition, much as if I were a baby and I saw you about to torture another baby. It seems that I’d still disapprove, even if I had no articulate concept of morality and society. The adult responses and the infantile response are both aspects of morality and both require a physical brain.

The drug ketamine (a hallucinogenic, dissociative anesthetic) can replicate the effects of a NDE perfectly. These experiences seem so genuine that people feel like they happened. All of the effects that are commonly described during a NDE happed with ketamine. Things that deviate are things that vary culture by culture; people see what they expect to see.

Memory is a weird thing and is not reliable. So, just because he claimed to be conscious during a period of zero brain activity doesn't mean he actually was. He just remembers it. After having observably been in a coma. You expect us to take the word of a person suffering from severe brain problems seriously. Especially when he's claiming impossible things.

How is this evidence?

If there is a God, which created the universe and all in it, ( which is what i STRONGLY believe ),  then that God deserves to be worshipped, as its written :

Revelation 4:11  “You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.”

First of all, in what sense do you think positive atheism would improve anything, since it lacks explanatory power on almost all essencial questions of humanity ? The outcome of consequent application of atheism is nihilism.

http://www.atheism-analyzed.net/

To the question: where do you go ?

I can give you a view of what the bible teaches. Again : i answer this only on behalf of your question. It is explicitally NOT my intent to preach.

http://jeffandcindy.wordpress.com/2011/02/05/topic-51b-where-do-unbelievers-go-when-they-die/

In the case of the unsaved person, he is already under the judgment of God because his sins have not been covered by the atoning blood of Christ. “The wages of sin is death,” and the death that God has in view is a spiritual death — eternal damnation.   When he dies, he’s not unlike a criminal awaiting his trial before the Judge.  His trial and sentencing will occur when Christ returns in glory on the Last Day.     

During the intervening time between the unbeliever’s death and the return of Christ, his body goes into the grave to return to dust (no different from believers); however, what about the unbeliever’s soul?  His soul cannot go to be with Christ.  Scripture tells us his soul goes down to a place of silence…a place of soul sleep also referred to in the Bible as Hades.  This is where unbelievers will await the call of Christ on the Last Day.    

John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.   

Unbelievers are those who come forth to the resurrection of damnation. It is at this time when they will experience judgment for their actions. Every unsaved person will give an account of all of his sins before Christ and he will be judged in the light of the Bible’s statement that “the wages of sin is death”.  The Judge of Heaven and Earth will find each one of them guilty and every one will be removed into hell to spend eternity paying for their sins.   

There is no happy ending for the unsaved. They won’t simply cease to exist.  That’s a fallacy that many unsaved people would love to believe.  But that’s not what the Bible says.  There will forever be weeping and gnashing of teeth.  Hell is described as a place where the worm dieth not.  It’s so horrible that any words we could think of simply would not be sufficient.   

If you haven’t placed your trust in Christ and what He’s done for your salvation, the Bible says unequivocally that this will be your eternal destination when you die.  But, the Bible also says, that TODAY is the day of salvation.  As long as there’s breath in your lungs, you can still cry out to God for the salvation only He can offer. 

Why?

Not good enough. My parents not only created me, but actually were there for me. They are largely responsible for much of who I am. But they don't deserve my worship, merely my respect and gratitude.
Your god has never even shown himself, let alone actually done anything. And if the bible is to be believed, he's the biggest asshole in the universe. That hardly warrants my devotion and worship.

And you do not deserve any response of mine anymore. Might God have mercy of you.

More so on you, since you are the one who believes yet shuns his teachings. If your god is real, I'll fare better than you will.

I'm also not going to leave you alone just because you're too stupid to respond to refutations of your lies and delusions. I'll keep tearing you a new asshole whenever I feel the urge to do so.

I am not going to back up a claim I didn't make. Does anyone see anything about "positive atheism" in the following sentence: "Since the thing I want most is to improve the world in a significant way, where do I go?"?

Which means I'm being sent to Hell because I sinned and "the wages of sin is death"--not because I want to worship myself, not because my greatest desire is to be my own master.

I can't think of a single person ever who hasn't done at least one good thing. What qualifies as "doing good"? as "doing evil"?

How do you know what the Bible says is true?

Am I correct in assuming you believe I deserve such a fate?

I said a genuine prayer of salvation about two years ago.

 re :: Check into the Details at all ??? Near Death Experiences or no ?

   Were you ever curious about the details of these accounts by actual dNDE and NDE survivors ? Did you read many of the various accounts ? You stated these experience are supposed to lend credence and/or believability to a literal Heaven or Hell (notice I didnt ask, as I should or ought to...according to which tradition) ? I am aware, North America and the United States and Canada have some the largest clearing-houses for details about these accounts. Have you looked into the details at all (by-yourself)?. And spent some time in perual of one particular english language website that was considered a clearing-house for these types of stories, as I have ? And taken the time to read any of these accounts yourself, and not can you find a fast link to post and give us on this board ? Consensus has begun to coalesce from people sharing the details of these experiences with their fellow survivors, and exchanging the actual details within these experiences. (Do you know what youre talking about ?.) 

  Science has weighed in with journals of neurophysiological literature of actual NDE survivors focusing on neuronal activity, in neuroscience.

  I was specifically asking if 'you' read the details of these accounts And if you were confident you know what you are talking about, to a degree of confidence ? Details and comparisons of the accounts of actual NDE cases, what they said, in their own words ? I personal could say no I did not pore over the hundreds of cases, at the cost of thousands of dollars and the premature greying of my hair. However I did review a sampling of over 30 of the dNDE ? I bit more than a half an afternoons worth with me. I did check out a handy and useful website give extensive quotes and summaries of some of the less famous cases of NDE. Would that make me a near expert on the subject ? Answer: Honestly, Heavens No!! More closer to barely above novice, who is kidding themselves I am the novice here, all I can claim. I cannot read only four Journals and expect to know much, (I could lay claim to this tertiary knowledge, if that, myself). With maybe a couple of factoids you not able to find in a couple of hours using a search engine or google. I will stress, I will never be able to be as knowledgeable as these interviewers that have sat down with and continue to sit down w/ not dozens but hundreds of people to compile details of the accounts and compile data. Or read well over half a dozen works from cover to cover. Especially about comparing account to account. People engaged in this are devoted, I am not willing to do that at any point, K? Plus they were dNDE accounts almost exclusively out-side of only a tiny three descriptions of a Heaven like account. That is how I would answer the question. That does not mean I know nothing whatever about the subject (It works for me shows, I have brought up the topic in the past). I can only speak for myself. I have no clue about what you have learned about the dNDE, none whatsoever!  I am not asking if you have expert knowledge about the subject. I was very curious about the subject, how about you then ? Just curious (?)

  . . . . . . . 

  None were of the accounts of Laksmi, the Maa Devi or Yama, or various other faiths. But my favorite is one with an account of meeting Yama though. With maybe a Single Marian account you can also find on YouTube (English language only). You lucked out they were not of ‘Your worshipable goddess of fortune, Lakṣmī, always remains on the chest of Nārāyaṇa, and she is certainly the most chaste woman in the creation' of Hindu accounts. So missed out on all those being drawn by swans upward and above, sorry!

 @ Ktulu

There was a reason I used quotes ^_^ I realize that we're very far from knowing everything about our universe, we probably have barely scratched the surface. 

However! I do pose a question to you. Isn't it possible that there was nothing before our universe was created? I mean if we look at our universe as a geometric space of a geometric object of higher dimensions than we are, then we can posit that our universe was "created" when matter and energy moved from one part of those higher dimensions and our universe will die when all of it passes through... a la the big crunch. ( mind you this is just speculation, that I'm coming up with) After all, there are parts of this universe that we will never be able to visit and be able to see. ( For the most part, I mean science may evolve from our current limitations, so I say this lightly.)  Oh, and virtual particles have been observed elsewhere, they seemed, to me at least, to be akin to bosons.

When I related virtual particles to bosons, I meant that, magnetic fields caused by magnetic dipoles are due to the exchange of virtual particles. My thought was that they both carry force. Bosons are totally different in their own right. The virtual particles I mentioned would be virtual photons.  I will, admit however, that what I read was wrong in at least one dept. saying that the magnetic field would have infinite range from calculations using the inverse cube law because photons don't have mass, which they do. As modeled by:  h/[(λ^2)ν]=m the mass of the photon just varies depending on its wavelength/energy/frequency.

While technically speaking, something cannot come from nothing, and you may have already said this, it's late where I am, but nothing doesn't really exist in reality. Strange concept but it's true. (Unless, we define as a space as completely empty, I suppose)

Oh hahhaah I just read your last sentence, I was replying as I was reading. >.<

Your  space time foam reminds me a bit of the Higgs field. Didn't read all of it though...

PS how do you make the urls  so nice in the words like that?

Spirits:

I’m afraid I can’t muster the enthusiasm to seriously debate whether spirits, ghosts, djinns, demons etc. exist. I see you’re discussing NDEs with others, so I’ll leave it up to them.
It’ll be redundant for me to say this, but I have seen zero evidence of them.
As regards the old mind-brain problem, neither of us look much like neuroscientists, so we aren’t qualified to argue about the fine details; but I can safely say that the general consensus among scientists who have studied this is that they are monists and do not believe in spirits.

[edited for spelling]

none of those quotes say nothing was before the big bang.  they just say time and the universe as we know it began with the big bang.  everything that exists now, rather in the form of matter or energy, "existed" in some way before the big bang.