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This thread is for anyone here to ask me any question about the Catholic Faith they wish to ask. Questions about the Catholic faith can be about anything from Catholic history, teachings, and/or the Bible. I only have a few rules/guidelines.
1. Serious questions please. Please refrain from odd or insulting questions.
2. Questions about the Church sex scandal are fine but please see guideline 3.
3. Please keep it civil and polite, i.e. please do not refer to the Pope as the fuhrer, a pedophile, kiddy fiddler, and etc. This also applies to the clergy in general.
4. Stay on topic. Obviously I’ll do this myself too.
5. Please refrain from insulting me, i.e. “Why don’t you jump off a cliff” or “do yourself a favor and kill yourself”, and etc. The screen name refers to Cliffjumper the heroic Autobot from the Transformers series and toy line. Great show, movies, and toys by the way 
I will try my best to be prompt and as detailed as possible. I am working on my thesis. So I may be busy sometimes. Also I will try to answer each person’s question in the order in which I see them.
Thank you.People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. -The Doctor
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To:: 0P (0n-site ONLY)
Fixing what cannot be fixed -- Off - site ::
The future started yesterday . . .
> Re:: You're eyes just looked straight through me.
To: Addressed To: Cliff Jumper
Isn't it clear there's a method to all the madness, be assured . . .
* Sigh *
The canonical Gospel according to Saint Mark Ch. 14 -- '' .. and questioned Jesus, saying, “Do You not answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?” But He kept silent and did not answer''
Who can make me feel this way? Nothing, "I" mean nothing ''I've'' said speaks to you as being that way nor caustic, K?
Gospel of Saint John -- 19:23-30 (NRSVCE):
When the soldiers had crucified Jesus, they took his clothes and divided them into four parts, one for each soldier. They also took his tunic; now the tunic was seamless, woven in one piece from the top. So they said to one another, “Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it to see who will get it.” This was to fulfill what the scripture says,
“They divided my clothes among themselves,
and for my clothing they cast lots.”
And that is what the soldiers did. Meanwhile, standing near the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother and the disciple whom he loved standing beside her, he said to his mother, “Woman, here is your son.” Then he said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” And from that hour the disciple took her into his own home.
After this, when Jesus knew that all was now finished, he said (in order to fulfill the scripture), “I am thirsty.” A jar full of sour wine was standing there. So they put a sponge full of the wine on a branch of hyssop and held it to his mouth. When Jesus had received the wine, he said, “It is finished.” Then He bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
0P --
Like many .. you're not very good at the accurate representation of people's comments on this board. Like with me, I can't seem to stop making obscure references and giving detailed explanations about things or even indulging in simple cryptic references, if that makes any sense. It's just second nature to me.
And .. Get a sense of humor !!
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I think you might have a case if I , for example, had included this image displayed here or above!
With the OP, a simple reminder, if I may . . .
Self-importance
((self-im·por·tance)) noun a noun: an exaggerated sense of one's own value or importance.
definition -- an exaggerated sense of one's own value or importance
p.p.s. -- Dude, about people! Allow a friendly warning, try not to be frustrated; but, when people on this board start to openly go for grabbing for a bottle, . . it's a bad bad sign.
I still remember the first few times I came up against this strategy. I don't think it cost me the debate but it certainly floored me. It took a lot of effort and time before I even could understand what the theist was trying to do. It didn't help that I was much younger and ignorant about a lot of science and logic at the time.
I still can't describe it in words, but I do now have a grasp on where the theist is coming from when they resort to infinity and finity. And I've developed an (I think) effective counter strategy. Actually this is as good a time as any to get outside views.
If anyone is at all interested in critiquing my responses regarding infinity & finity, I'd be quite interested to see if anyone thinks I have something horribly wrong or that I'm misrepresenting anything.
Of course, theists critiques are unlikely to be worthwhile, but I'd read them anyway.
(edit block for iwbieks sanity)
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
recall any such words as infinite or finite in the book. There might be in some versions or abstract explainations but the terms aren't biblical forum. That puts me back to-- it's a Euro attachment or assumption in their teachings. A classic attempt to infuse something of their old religion before the bible was acquired by Western civilizations/peoples. The problem as we see it is, Westerners attempting to interpret a document they didn't (and still don't) understand. The book wasn't written by people with a Euro mindset and so the Euros made it fit thier acting religion of their time. The writers of the book aren't attempting to fix Europeann society or anyones as they knew that no civilization can be fixed. The writers are attempting to reinstall their own ancient beliefs which were at the time of Adam, and in essence are saying, hey floks, be like Adam and you won't have all these problems. In the biblical sense it is only logical that Adam had it right as far as the writers of the book were conserned. The fall then is the Adammites exchanging their beliefs for what everyone else believed. And if so then, the object of the book is to returm the decendants of Adam back to the beliefs of Adam. Being that the change took place "before" the Hebrew tribes were formed means they never had it right, but a certain number of them (prophets) knew what it was. However, as in all religions and governments-if you got it right and they don't they didn't allow you to live (still the case today)to long. Authorities don't take well to being wrong and some pion have it right, and in turn be a challenge to their athoritative legitimacy. Yer ded.
Today the Isrealis have an essence of it but still don't understand their religion as compared to the Adamites. If the true religion was of the Adamites then todays Israeli religion can't be the true religion of their ancestors, being it was Nimrod that instututed the change before their tribal formings. They're going to poop their pants when they get around to understanding this. According to their own book and prophets they can't possibly have a true religion---if one is to assume or accept that Adam was thier true religion.
The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
https://sites.google.com/site/oldseers
Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
http://www.rationalresponders.com/comment/reply/34587/412331?quote=1#comment-form
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(For non-site never before to the site lurkers . . you may not have run across Old Seer)
(Smiling)
The Pauline Epistle to the Romans "Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities .. those which exist are established by god’’
"Without holiness no-one will see G-d'' :
Hebrews 12:14 -- Make every effort to strive for peace with all and without holiness no one will see the Κύριον (literally 'the Master')
p.p.s. -- . . .
Wait , fore I won't be right with you
OK. But just a minute. I have a correction to make for "Pauline". We, the Smurfs, do not think that the writers of the OT and NT are correct on everything. Let's look at it. The Pauline statement would be rediculous from our perspective--it dosen't make sense.
. (what happed to the emoticons?) What good is such a statement when it's necessary to go against established authorities to bring about changes. It's they that create and are the main reason for the problems on the planet. How can they possibly know (evidence is everywhere) what they're doing if they created such a mess on planet earth. Today--no one seems to like their governments---look at the mess we have going on. On the other hand--to go against them one must consider who the police and militaries actually serve----well, it's not the people. The first job of police and militaries is to protect those that are the "authorities" from the people. Sorry about that Ms. Pauline, but you have some explaining to do. Who shows up when the local floks gather outside the mayors office to demand changes---it's the police--right. You'll notice that the mayor doesn't have to listen to you no matter how many of you there are--AND---he can order the police to get your asses off the public steps--and if any cop wants his paycheck this coming friday he'd damn well better do it--or no pay the following week because he'll/she'll be out looking for a new job. Is this Smurfer correct or not. What sense does your statement make if the "authorities" have a police/military force <-----to "force you to comply anyway. So it doesn't make any difference whether one elects to comply willfully when there's no choice regardless. Ms. Pauline, you have to redo your thinking here. To willfully comply with governments madates without scrutiny and rejection "if" necessary makes one submissivly "STUPID". AND--to say that one should go along with the mandates of idiots makes no sense when the blind bastids will send the cops anyway if one don't??????
So, your advice is to--go along to get along, is that it ---with people that can do nothing other then keep the mess going and making it worse. One of the reasons this worldly mess keeps active is because well meaing floks like you keep giving this kind of ignorant advice--and everyone keeps marching off to the dump pile the "Authorities" created and maintain. Without being aware of it , Pauline, your saying that "we the people" should keep following the mental degenerates that are in charge. The only way anyone needs to be "submissive" is to consider the likelyhood of acquiring 8 to 12 9mm bloody ass holes down the back rolling up one's spine like a window shade. So, your advice is absurd. It's obvious you don't have a clue as to what manner of floks run the world. Sorry about that, but you have to rethink your position as the government floks today aren't about Pax intercontinentalianna, they're about war intercontinentalianna (called terrorism) for profit. Today there's more profits in war then peace for the big Kahunas leading this fools parade.
Don't worry about The Cliff Jumper Dana. He'll have to learn over time as many others will also. In time all religions and governments will be removed. There's going to be holy hell and high water before it gets done. What else??? We live on a planet that the intellectual elements (people) can only learn the hard way--so--that's the way it will be. The first key is to put aside the "super guy in the sky" and realize that what's going on here is dictated by those in charge. Considering that his superness isn't powerful enough to straighten things out the masse will have to do it for themselves. All they need to know is the right stuff and it'll come about. Ms. Pauline is going to have to understand that. Instead of informing on how to correct the situation she says--go along with it. If JC says -Satan is the God of this world, who's idea of God is she referring to.
The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
https://sites.google.com/site/oldseers
Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
> Why doesn't anyone see the fun, THE SERIOUS 'Fun' .. in everything ???
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"Count Your Blessings (Instead of Sheep)" is a popular song written by Irving Berlin for the 1954 movie White Christmas.
(("Count Your Blessings (Instead of Sheep)" is a popular song written by Irving Berlin for the 1954 movie White Christmas ))
I got nothing left to prove, and if I got nothing left to prove (or 'disprove'); then, does that make me dangerous ??!?
Soli del gloria Man , It's christmas every single day around here, especially inside . .
I'm a happy dude. (
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The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
https://sites.google.com/site/oldseers
Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
Again, We all create our own 'fun' . . Btw, thank you, again, for sticking it out there Old Seer! You just add to the vast diversity of the board that is always the case; which is nice, it's nice when things are nice (smiling)
Misc. miscellāneus, -- Pics (View The Pics Uploaded) Man, Just try to keep up . . .
on my usual thread, for araugo. I'm highjacking this thread so I have to move on.
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re:: Tremendous faith required and shown by Mary (according to the Canonical Gospel accounts) ::
? 'All' Catholics assume the Blessed Mother Mary, is the same Mary . . (See: In this cell)?,?
TO :: OP (mainly the OP)
**The document tells of Mary's virginity before giving birth, but traditions arose that suggest a perpetual virginity of Mary, correct ? Jesus had brothers and sisters so shouldn't that worry you a bit ?!?
The Gospel of Saint Matthew Ch.1 / Gospel According to Saint Luke Ch.2 -- New King James Version (NKJV)
''Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed wife, who was with child'' ''..before they came together, she was found with child. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man not trying to get out of it and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit'' .. ''So it was, that while they were there, the days were completed for her to be delivered. And she was to bring forth her firstborn Son .. Now there were in the same country shepherds living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flock by night. And behold, an angel of God stood before them, and the glory of the LORD shone around them, and they were greatly afraid. Then the angel said to them, “Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord''.
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But Mary kept all these things and pondered them in her heart.
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"Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; but I tell you, not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these''
Note :: ** I cannot help but be reminded of Draupadi, in a sacred Hindu text Draupadi was the wife of the five pandavas, wife to each of the five, .. her's was another expectedly eventful life. The god Shiva promised that she would regain her virginity each morning when she took her bath, thus allowing her to be the wife of all five of the pandavas. (Comparisons actually pretty unintentional, was simply reminded so do not obsess!)!
p.s. -- No explicit statement about what is believable in mentioning this, no significance beyond the question it poses.
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Attn. -- MIA OP --
You know . . the one
Re:: You know . . the one
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Do all Roman Catholics assume the Blessed Mother Mary, the same Mary whom all generations "shall call blessed." (Gospel of Saint Luke 1:48), is the woman clothed with the sun, the one spoken of in the prophetic / apocalyptic literature that was included in the New Testament canon, namely the Book of Revelation ?
Reference for any lurkers who have never been to the site, as follows ::
Rev. XII : 1-5 -- ''A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars adorn on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign when a dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its' tail ((Rev. 21:1d)) swept a third of the stars out of the sky ..and flung them. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her baby child. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter ((Rev. I :14-15))” And her child was snatched up to God and to His throne (end quote)''
p.s. -- And Once again, No explicit statement . . beyond the question it poses.
Proper Christian form has nothing to do with a persons genetals, male or female. As in --via the info of the Apiostles--there is neither Greek nor Jew, Sythian nor Barbarian in these works, or, ways of Christianity --which means it isn't about anything physical. And likewise also--there is neither Male nor Female in the works--meaning, it's not about the body but about the person/mind/spiritual. All this tripe about Mary mother of JC's virginity is brought about by nothing more then the darkage Euro facination of sex and who's got what type of genetals. It seems to me they're more interested in "getting" someone's genetals then forwarding peace on the planet, which is the case because they haven't done it as yet because they don't know how. The Euros made their brand of Christianity patterned after thier obsessions of body worship having nothing to do or even akin to proper Christianity. There's nothing wrong with the bod--there's something out of wack with their thinking and mindset. And--to be concerned as to whether Mary accended in a golden elevator in the empire state building or not is moot and doesn't make diddly of any importance in forwarding Christianity's mission. I don't know if the Cliff guy is going to be around to comment.I think he upped and tooked off,
The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
https://sites.google.com/site/oldseers
Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
Nope, you cannot change the words in that book. Watering it down and cherry picking it does not change the social norms inside and outside of that book. In antiquity women and girls were property, so the book reflects the social norms of it's time.
It is a book of myth, and abook full of sexism, bigotry, and violence, under the watch of, or sanctioned by God.
"We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and nonbelievers."Obama
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There's many materialistic versions of the book oppostie ours useing different wordings--we understand all of them, basically. I'm quoting the apostles in my post. That's what they say. anyway--this thread is the man's who jumps cliffs. I would like hime to respoind to my post but I think he left. Any reply you have should be taken to For Araugo--in the general discusions forum.
The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
https://sites.google.com/site/oldseers
Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
Biggest of the FYIs -- I quote alot of things . . .
By the by . .
Did it ever occurr to you, if you refuse to directly talk to someone . . you are left continually guessing .. ?!?? I happen to quote a-lot of things . . many of which are nothing you'd be caught dead quoting. Get it ?!!???
The Blame game . . . Or then there's The Beatitudes
Re :: The Blame game . . . Or then there's The Beatitudes
Must watch video (no choice!!) !!
>> Must watch video (no choice) http://vimeo.com/8628813 If you cannot link to it, if you hope to rightly understand the ref. then seriously look it up, worth a moment of your time(s) . . .
Honey bees are constantly exposed to numerous threats: pests and parasites ''(such as the Varroa mite or Nosema), bacterial diseases (foulbrood), fungal diseases (chalkbrood), viral diseases (invertebrate iridescent virus – IIV), and pesticides. Now honey bees are facing an even greater risk: Colony Collapse Disorder (or CCD), a little understood phenomenon in which worker bees from a colony abruptly disappear''. It was interesting to watch, as people were more interested in assigning blame than-exploring the beginnings to address the systemic or actual problem that led to this in the first place.
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Back in the winter of 2006, this strange phenomenon that befell honeybee hives across this country. Had them gone without a trace, where millions of bees vanished from their home hives. A precious pollinator know them for the good fruits and vegetables, but alas we found a situation of them disappearing, where the bees left, costing us all billions of dollars, and putting crops at risk and even threatened our very food supply.
Honey is not Amrita/Amrit/AMBROSIA. Although I can be said it has often been mistakenly equated with it. Like the apple was equated with the golden forbidden fruit . . Three nymphs of the evening, the Hesperides, also obstructed the path to the tree. No veiled reference it's actually found in the ancient sources, is all; so no biggie !! Oh, But you said, .. you said . . .
> If I cannot write something for fear it may either offend or jeopardize things, at what point do I begin to simply not care anymore. Think about it!!
For those not in the know, Bhasmasura&Mohini__L-1.png pic sadly, I personally can only think of two people (three if you count myself) who'd know what this image was actually making reference to in the first place. Not knowing the ref. would lead to the very wrong interpretation indeed (but why should I even begin to care anymore), you think ?!?? And, Shame on all your houses for not reviewing your ancient texts. Often online sources are just that and leave us with a truly incomplete reference that your cursory examination may simply miss altogether. But, For a major Hint Here's a helpful little *Hint* in the Video . . .
> http://vimeo.com/8628813 {http://vimeo.com/8628813}
Lol Then let's do this !! 0ff-site ::
In the Christian biblical canon . . Ref. 2 Timothy 1:7
Not nearly enough said . . .
T0 : Not addressing anybody on these premises or this particular site, in this . . .
What do you really want out of all of this, in the end ??!??
Re :: Permanent encampment on Mt. Anger ( Permanent encampment on Mt. Anger )
Reach me or don't reach me . . .
KJV Only -- If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Curious :: So there is nothing left to be done ???
There's this spine-chillingly eerie experience I experienced from a defrocked 'Baptist' preacher who I couldn't reel off a list of the more typical reasons for his situation but in his case he was ousted '' for preaching the Gospel " honestly. That aside though,. Anywho! He was always purposely talking about how Moses never did enter the promised land when I was around. I mean, He always used to use this reference whenever I was around him, repeatedly to me. I had no idea what could explain or what spawned his behaviour, in doing this, so it became nothing more of a curiousity than wondering about ''why'', when I was in ear-shot. I am beginning to find-out now apparently.
So the Question: "Why was Moses not allowed to enter the Promised Land?"
A possible answer: In Numbers 20:8, the Tetragrammaton הֹוָה. told Moses, "Take the staff, and you and your brother Aaron gather the assembly together. Speak to that rock before their eyes and it will pour out its' water. You will bring water out of the rock for the community so they and their livestock can drink." Numbers 20:9-11 records Moses' response: "So Moses took the staff from the LORD's presence, just as he commanded Moses. He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, ‘Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water . . ?’ Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock .. water gushed out, and those of the community and their livestock did drink." The Lord was displeased with Moses’ actions: “Because you did not trust enough to honor as ' holy' in their sight, the sight of the Israelites, so you will not bring this community into the land I give them” (Numbers 20:12).
The fact that the Torah records the mistakes of Moses (as well as many other great biblical figures) is help to establish a more believably authentic 'human-being' described in the words of the pentateuch. In ancient Judaism, it teaches that their forefathers they were not "saints with halos," but were mere mortals who made mistakes (and everything).
What did Moses do that warranted such a severe penalty from הֹוָה ? Not to get into the whole thing but Moses was rather famous for his temper. Moses disobeyed a direct command from god. God had commanded Moses to speak to the rock. Instead, Moses struck the rock with his staff, but he did that because had been provoked to anger . . . Wonder why that would come to my mind, no I do not wonder at all why this would come to mind off-site time to be truthful and step up . . Miss
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p.s. -- As long as you continue, nothing is to be done, so it remains. Although, Try to at least begin to never forget though, that I myself have a right to the tree of life, hun. I never wanted any outcome that didnt allow for me to be allowed to enter into the promise (very truly). So, Where does it leave us then ?
Other non-site :: Bible REF. -- 2 Pet. -- And we ourselves heard this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy hill.
What do you consider evidence to be?
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
That was a fascinating look at the irrationality of dogmatic epistemology. An entire philosophy based on bald assertions.
And it was true because it's true.
"Experiments are the only means of knowledge at our disposal. The rest is poetry, imagination." Max Planck
Taking the easy way, isn't an easy way . . Miss; it could be time to be allowed to step outside of herself, given the situation . .
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Re:: (0ff-site Elders -- It's easy to murmur, when it not EVER been about you)
Yeah, something to truly fear, is he is actually . . gone .
Pop Trivia Quiz question of the week, from Missionaries of the christian faith, Then and Now By danatemporary -
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Who was the christian missionary to china pouring all of himself into this effort to capture the imagination of certain youths; who tried to lived by selfless example, when he fell ill while enduring further imprisonment in Weihsien, 'although he was offered' a chance at true freedom "and repatriation by the Chinese, he insisted a pregnant woman take his place instead". Yeah, You can try to name him ( searching or researching is permitted ) . .
p.s. -- So Moses was acting unwisely unsubmissive . . hmm. Must be a cautionary tale of sorts, then ?!!
(?) Care to established criteria for determining a heretical nature ?!!? On and especially Off - site
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((For we know in part .. You know, the 'love' Chapter))
You're not doing it the right way . . . but everyone else is wrong. You force each of the twins to hold to the tradition of men. With no thought of the more than likely negative consequences
A word in your pink and shell like . . You know what, A completely unexamined, unmentioned, or underexamined doctrinal proposition, as ALL of christendom would consider propositional truth. Is not to same nor to be confused with "secretly-introducing destructive heresies" Time out! Okay, We don't want to be overly critical of 'our brethren', you realize, this system is not working, and you've forced 'us' to all stop talking, again ?!?? I shouldn't have to say this, I mean, why would anyone ?!? . . . It doesnt matter what works or what doesnt work, . . at least there is a record.
Must Watch YouTube -- Video Twins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7S537b7saE {https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7S537b7saE}
It's the answer, . . it's when every thing happens
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0ff-site :: (Attn. -- OVER 35) Do try to remember your “doxology”
For we know in part
Important Image (please consider the following) . . . (( For we know in part .. You know, the 'love' Chapter ))
F r e e d o m . .
" I'm too much . . ''
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XArbwSNroXU {www.youtube.com/watch?v=XArbwSNroXU} no identifiable trigger for that oh-so prevalent 'inappropriate' sense of humor overdue to spontaneously combust
F i n
Unwise to ask and very not wise to offer but . .
TO:: 0P
Family / Familiar 'continuity" .. according to the Genesis account:
Tanakh , Ch . 15 -- Abram said, O Lord G-d, what will You give unto me, since I am childless, and the heir of my house . . Then behold, the word of the LORD came to him, saying, "This man will not be your heir; but one who will come forth from your own inward parts, he shall be your heir." (background/reminder verse in The Book of Genesis XVI, verse II)
Real/true love 'is' sacrifice
In the same vein as / of Einstein's thought experiments, this is a true biblicists' 'thought experiment', by the given account:
Well, What if Hagar hadn't existed ? What then ? Charles Swindoll, U.S. pastor/author, suggests, no insists that : (QUOTE)''He (the ALMIGHTY) would have never allowed Hagar to conceive if He didn't approve'' To my mind, this is a controversially provocative suggestion on the part of Mr. Chuck. So, Your thoughts, please. No time limit on any of this, you know.
Poetry corner
Freebie -- The Moon rose, the stars refused to twinkle, while the wild winter's misty wind murmured amongst the branches of the tree of life,. Within the darkness a light glimmered .. And hope was re-born
Any thoughts ???
Real/true love 'is' sacrifice
Related YouTube video --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPDr56_5l0 {http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPDr56_5l0}
(( Edit :: Added Isa. V:XX -- Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness . . ))
p.s. -- Dana is unpredictable, .. for the most part,.
* Pathways divides into two similar flows on either side providing a path to walk within
similar but not the only example(s) . .
It all serves a real purpose . . . do not stress over it again !!
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Re :: Pathways divides into two similar flows on either side providing a path to walk within
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If it hasn't dawned on you, here is the parting of the waters, as was spoken of with the Yamuna River, again, which was said to have parted to make way for path, as the baby being carried along while crossing it, See: Three Image Uploads,. Side Note :: Purely as a reminder, Vasudeva (Devanagari वसुदेव IAST Vasudeva) was the father of Lord Krishna, the son of Shoorsen (of the Yadu and Vrishni dynasties). He was brother of King Nand Baba who was foster parent of Lord Krishna. His sister Kunti was married to Pandu. Kunti, she, is seen throughout the Mahabharata . .
2 Kings 2:5-14 (JUB)
''And they were at Jericho came to Elisha and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head today? And he answered, Yes, I know it; be silent.
And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here, for the LORD has sent me to the Jordan. And he said, As the LORD lives and as thy soul lives, I will not leave thee. And thus the two went on.
And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went and stood in front of them afar off; and the two of them stood by the Jordan.
And Elijah took his mantle and wrapped it together and smote the waters, and they separated to one side and the other so that they both went over on dry ground.
And when they had gone over, Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee before I am taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
And he said, Thou hast asked a difficult thing. If thou shalt see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee, but if not, it shall not be so.
And it came to pass, as they still went on and talked, that, behold, a chariot of fire with horses of fire separated the two, and Elijah went up into heaven in a whirlwind.
And as Elisha saw it, he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more, and he took hold of his own clothes and rent them in two pieces.
And lifting up the mantle of Elijah that had fallen from him, he went back and stood by the bank of the Jordan.
And taking up the mantle of Elijah that had fallen from him, he smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? And when he smote the waters, they separated to one side and the other, and Elisha went over ''
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Vedism's quoting from the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam IV of Shri Narayana- Says, '' Unless one renders devotional service unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Vāsudeva, one cannot possibly become completely detached from this material world, nor can he possibly manifest real knowledge . . ''
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(Astonishment) Good Grief is that a horse ? Thundarr's 'ookla' from the race of the moks, rode a rather 'alien' looking horse.
It's all coming back to you . . mst3k wannabes are having all sorts of fun with this *futuristic* Hanna-Barbera barbarian series, as seen in many YouTube(s), ..you betcha! It's not the only example either.
I'm pretty sure he's not coming back...
Enlightened Atheist, Gaming God.
that's never really stopped dana...
Damn! I wanted to point out an error in his "logic" : An infinite thing may still have a beginning, but if so, being infinite just means it cannot have an end...
Favorite oxymorons: Gospel Truth, Rational Supernaturalist, Business Ethics, Christian Morality
"Theology is now little more than a branch of human ignorance. Indeed, it is ignorance with wings." - Sam Harris
The path to Truth lies via careful study of reality, not the dreams of our fallible minds - me
From the sublime to the ridiculous: Science -> Philosophy -> Theology
When the time comes, you will naturally get a response . .
I think Cliff Jumper was overconfident or was someone who was continually running away from a debate challenge; while simultaneously claiming that others issuing the challenge is just trying to avoid his arguments.
Worse abuse he showed was the ' ' (Quote) '' . . Bandwidth is valuable and .. you are wasting it ''
There are times when you simply need to say something, or highlight something . . See :: Image
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This is worth posting this image before I have to climb back in (it makes everything more interesting)
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of interpretation. The superficial interpretaion of Creation doesn't work. The interpretaion that creation is a change of personalities (otherwise known as spiritual-something mental) does. Biblical creation is psychological/mental, not about the physical or material, and poooof--a whole different story.
The only possible thing the world needs saving from are those running it.
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Knowledge trumps faith and I'm not a Theist
Lies are nothing more then falsehoods searching for the truth
> 1 Corinthians 13:13 The ''New'' King James Version (NKJV)
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There's nothing else you lack but love . . .
It's a beautiful day, this is the day . . .
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King James Bible
Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that entereth not by the door . . but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber
Off - site --- I love the no compromise stance *Muah* . . . Between the vicious little attitudes, to the radically vacillating opinions .. what a church
I never could endorse/accept (nor like) the radically vacillating opinions, and based on this site's content . .
Friend . . It will be alright . . . in the end ( I just know it )
You can't compare the two. Antibiotics are made to be administered in a certain way (usually orally, perhaps some are rectally or intraveneously). The method of administrating antibiotics is consistent. There are things that can reduce their effectiveness (alcohol and such) but as long as you follow the directions (which are consistent), they work.
You can't give directions that concise regarding `act(ing) on that faith'. As a Catholic, you were given the exact same directions as I was growing up. It was not effective. I have heard all sorts of varying directions. Those don't work either (and believe me, I tried as many as I possibly could before dropping it entirely). The two concepts (taking an antibiotic and acting on faith) are not compatible.
I was referring my post talking of the cutting off/healing of the guard's ear when I said "above" not your post. The verses in judges imply that faith is required for works. The guard's ear being healed is 100% proof that (in the context of the bible) it is not.
The part of your quote that I bolded is hilarious. It's the usual tactic by Christians to say that anything that the bible leaves unsaid is subject to interpretation. If there was indeed a relevant action that is required there (and there IS if your assertion that faith is required for works), then it would have been important to mention it. Of course, you then go and say that he can perform miracles anyway, independent of peoples' beliefs or actions. What happened here is that you established what to you was a rule of how god works (works require faith). Once you were provided with an example where someone who was not a faithful person (most probably anyway) was healed by him, then suddenly the rules change. Now, for a moment to cover all bases, I will grant that maybe Malchus was faithful in secret, and maybe there was an action that was implied (or one that simply happened, but wasn't written down). If that's the case, then the case of doubting Thomas should have never happened either. Somebody who was specifically described as a disbleliever in the resurrection was then simply given direct evidence and was, thus, the witness of a miracle in part directed at him (the part directed at him being Jesus appearing to him and prompting him to put his hands into all of his wounds).
So he did perform miracles to them, but they still didn't believe him? Obvious ones? I have trouble believing that. Very similar to the old testament Exodus account where Moses's followers saw him summon the power of the god of which he spoke, that allowed him to part an entire sea for them to cross (and then go back to normal to drown those chasing them). Then some chapters later, these people sit to listen to what Moses has to say is this god's next command. When he comes down, he finds they've all just changed their minds and started worshipping other gods. This isn't a reasonable scenario, and it occurs a number of times across the bible. This whole idea that God showed them and they rejected it is asinine. Nobody behaves that way, despite what the bible says.
If god is omnipotent and omniscient and he also created everything, then everything is going exactly according to his plan, even the choices that people make (be they free or not). A god of such power would necessarily have to know how to modify the initial parameters of the Universe to change any minute detail. The consequence is that if an omnipotent and omniscient god created the universe, then he is necessarily responsible for 100% of everything that ever happens. If you can not demonstrate a fault in this logic, then you must concede that god is responsible for every dictator and serial killer ever, as he would know how to modify things at the very beginning (if he's not being constantly active anymore) to prevent any single one from existing. Our ability to predict things usually has some margin of error (a margin that we can frequently measure and attach a real numerical figure to). However, if god is omniscient, it means that his margin of error is exactly 0.
I disagree. I believe that asserting as truth what you can't prove is the epitome of ignorance, as it halts all inquiry. This is what the church does.
But those are works of fiction. By reading Hamlet, do you then assume that in that time ghosts were real? No, but you might think that people were more predisposed to believe that they were in fact visited by ghosts. Much like the bible saying that miracles occurred, I think it was simply more common back then for people to claim (or even think true) that they have indeed experienced miracles in their favour.
Ok. I want evidence of transsubstantiation.
As far as discussion on the other claims, I'm happy to not resort to a softball one. Why is the Catholic Church 100% against all forms of abortion and contraception, and by extension, why does the church consider those two matters to be one and the same?
Theists - If your god is omnipotent, remember the following: He (or she) has the cure for cancer, but won't tell us what it is.