California passes a "yes" means "yes" law ?
If signed by governor, legislation would make California the first state to define when "yes means yes"
August 29, 2014 12:41AM ETState lawmakers on Thursday passed a bill that would make California the first state to define when "yes means yes" while investigating sexual assaults on college campuses. The Senate unanimously passed SB967 as states and universities across the U.S. face pressure to change how they handle rape allegations. The bill now goes to Gov. Jerry Brown, who has not indicated his stance on the bill. Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, said his bill would begin a shift in how California campuses prevent and investigate sexual assault. Rather than using the refrain "no means no," the definition of consent under the bill requires "an affirmative, conscious and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity." Earlier versions of the bill had similar language. Silence or lack of resistance does not constitute consent. The legislation says it's also not consent if the person is drunk, drugged, unconscious or asleep. Lawmakers say consent can be nonverbal, and universities with similar policies have outlined examples as maybe a nod of the head or moving in closer to the person. Advocates for victims of sexual assault supported the change as one that will provide consistency across campuses and challenge the notion that victims must have resisted assault in order to have valid complaints. Some critics say the legislation is overreaching and sends universities into murky, unfamiliar legal waters. Gordon Finley, an adviser to the National Coalition for Men, wrote an editorial asking Brown not to sign the bill. He argued that "this campus rape crusade bill" presumes the guilt of the accused. The bill passed the state Assembly on Monday by a 52-16 vote. Some Republicans in that house questioned if statewide legislation is an appropriate venue to define consent. There was no opposition from Senate Republicans. The bill would apply to all California post-secondary schools, public and private, that receive state money for student financial aid. The California State University and University of California systems are backing the legislation after adopting similar consent standards this year. The bill also requires colleges and universities to adopt "victim-centered" sexual-assault response policies and implement comprehensive programs to prevent assault. In January, President Barack Obama vowed to make the issue a priority. He announced a task force chaired by Vice President Joe Biden that created a website providing tips for filing complaints, www.notalone.gov, and issued a report in May naming 55 colleges and universities across the country facing investigation for their responses to sexual abuse and violence. The University of California, Berkeley was included on the list. The White House Council on Women and Girls reported (PDF) the staggering fact that nearly 1 in 5 college women is sexually assaulted by the time she graduates, with just 12 percent of them reporting the assaults — a much lower rate than the estimated 40 percent of assaults that are reported by the general population, according to the Department of Justice. In addition, students from a number of colleges and universities — including the University of California at Berkeley and the University of Southern California, Dartmouth College, Columbia University, Harvard College, Occidental College, Swarthmore College — have filed complaints in the last year that their schools violated the Clery Act and Title IX of the Civil Rights Act by mishandling their sexual assault cases. Al Jazeera and The Associated Press america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/29/california-lawmakerspasscampussexassaultbill.html (Now maybe it is because it is so early in the morning, but this looks rather murky to me)
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WOW, just like ignoring race, you say "this happens too" which is NOT the issue.
Yes it is an issue you brainless shit stain. And it has nothing to do with race, so bringing rce up is incredibly stupid. Standard for you I suppose.
It is blaming the victim when you start the argument like this.
Bullshit. There is no victim when someone gets drunk and sleeps around.
It is very easy to accuse someone of something by mere word of mouth, but rape isn't the only crime you can be accused of without physical evidence. A pissed off student in a grade school who doesn't like his teacher can accuse them of molesting them even if it is not true. And?
So what? That has nothing to do with the topic. For the record, that's wrong too. And anyone making such false accusations should be prosecuted and sued.
It still does not change our social bias in America where girls and women are taught to "know what they wear and where they are at" instead of teaching boys/men to keep their hands to themselves.
Typical feminazi anti-logic. Boys ARE taught not to rape girls. Some do it anyway. Clearly telling people not to rape people is not a successful strategy. So instead of assuming that simply telling people what to do will actually work, girls should also take precautions so they are safer. It's not fair for girls, but life isn't fair in general. Accept it, move on.
None of which has anything to do with consentual sex when drunk, where there are no victims.
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Was there a safety on that? That's pretty amazing speed. And hot too.
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Was there a safety on that? That's pretty amazing speed. And hot too.
What if the girl is shaped like a 12 year old boy? Or has a stomach like a truck driver?
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Those are legitimate concerns but there are optional carry methods that can be employed to get around those problems. Personally I carry my handgun in an artsey-fartsey "man purse". With my horn rim glasses and particular style of clothing I look just like an Obama supporter....and nobody knows nuthin'.
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What if the girl is shaped like a 12 year old boy? Or has a stomach like a truck driver?
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Was there a safety on that? That's pretty amazing speed. And hot too.
I am not certain, but I believe that is an SCCY CPX, which can come with or without a manual safety. It would be a thumb safety on the lefthand side, which we never see in the video. I would guess it was probably the CPX 2 which doesn't have a safety. Although, with training, a safety isn't going to slow you down at all. And I don't believe for a moment that she was entirely inexperienced.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
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Those are legitimate concerns but there are optional carry methods that can be employed to get around those problems. Personally I carry my handgun in an artsey-fartsey "man purse". With my horn rim glasses and particular style of clothing I look just like an Obama supporter....and nobody knows nuthin'.
lol, nice disguise.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
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lol, nice disguise.
Yep, the true definition of "urban camouflage"
( BTW, your gun knowledge must be near encyclopedic as I am reasonably informed for a gun hobbyist but I had never even heard of SCCY before today. Good job. )
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Beyond Saving wrote:lol, nice disguise.
Yep, the true definition of "urban camouflage"
( BTW, your gun knowledge must be near encyclopedic as I am reasonably informed for a gun hobbyist but I had never even heard of SCCY before today. Good job. )
Probably because SCCY has attempted to make a niche selling to women and appear to be rather successful at it. Their guns are built for women and so have grips that tend to be uncomfortably small for the average male hand. They have been pretty popular with the women's shooting club around here because they look good and are inexpensive ($250 and under). The quality is decent, accuracy isn't going to win any high level competitions, but plenty good enough for the close quarters of a real life self defence situation. The internal components are pretty basic, making it easy to take down and put back together. My main pick with them is the trigger pull feels inconsistent, but that probably isn't noticable for most amateurs. Also, I've seen people on forums complaining about long term durability, but if parts start to wear out after a couple thousand rounds, you only paid a couple hundred, buy a new one.
I'm not giving up my Sig for one, but it wouldn't be a terrible option if I felt the need to have a second gun on me.
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Well that pasted all wrong.
Let me try that again :
( (Now maybe it is because it is so early in the morning, but this looks rather murky to me)
If signed by governor, legislation would make California the first state to define when "yes means yes".
Al Jazeera and The Associated Press
america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/29/california-lawmakerspasscampussexassaultbill.html
State lawmakers on Thursday passed a bill that would make California the first state to define when "yes means yes" while investigating sexual assaults on college campuses.
The Senate unanimously passed SB967 as states and universities across the U.S. face pressure to change how they handle rape allegations. The bill now goes to Gov. Jerry Brown, who has not indicated his stance on the bill. Sen. Kevin de Leon, D-Los Angeles, said his bill would begin a shift in how California campuses prevent and investigate sexual assault.
Rather than using the refrain "no means no," the definition of consent under the bill requires "an affirmative, conscious and voluntary agreement to engage in sexual activity." Earlier versions of the bill had similar language. Silence or lack of resistance does not constitute consent. The legislation says it's also not consent if the person is drunk, drugged, unconscious or asleep. Lawmakers say consent can be nonverbal, and universities with similar policies have outlined examples as maybe a nod of the head or moving in closer to the person.
Advocates for victims of sexual assault supported the change as one that will provide consistency across campuses and challenge the notion that victims must have resisted assault in order to have valid complaints. Some critics say the legislation is overreaching and sends universities into murky, unfamiliar legal waters. Gordon Finley, an adviser to the National Coalition for Men, wrote an editorial asking Brown not to sign the bill. He argued that "this campus rape crusade bill" presumes the guilt of the accused. The bill passed the state Assembly on Monday by a 52-16 vote. Some Republicans in that house questioned if statewide legislation is an appropriate venue to define consent.
Monday by a 52-16 vote. Some Republicans in that house questioned if statewide legislation is an appropriate venue to define consent. There was no opposition from Senate Republicans. The bill would apply to all California post-secondary schools, public and private, that receive state money for student financial aid. The California State University and University of California systems are backing the legislation after adopting similar consent standards this year. The bill also requires colleges and universities to adopt "victim-centered" sexual-assault response policies and implement comprehensive programs to prevent assault. In January, President Barack Obama vowed to make the issue a priority. He announced a task force chaired by Vice President Joe Biden that created a website providing tips for filing complaints, www.notalone.gov, and issued a report in May naming 55 colleges and universities across the country facing investigation for their responses to sexual abuse and violence.
Report in May naming 55 colleges and universities across the country facing investigation for their responses to sexual abuse and violence. The University of California, Berkeley was included on the list. The White House Council on Women and Girls reported (PDF) the staggering fact that nearly 1 in 5 college women is sexually assaulted by the time she graduates, with just 12 percent of them reporting the assaults — a much lower rate than the estimated 40 percent of assaults that are reported by the general population, according to the Department of Justice. In addition, students from a number of colleges and universities — including the University of California at Berkeley and the University of Southern California, Dartmouth College, Columbia University, Harvard College, Occidental College, Swarthmore College — have filed complaints in the last year that their schools violated the Clery Act and Title IX of the Civil Rights Act by mishandling their sexual assault cases.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Rape is bullshit. If you can't get a girl to go to bed with you then learn how to fucking masturbate or learn to have some self control.
Ditto!
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Well I agree wholeheartedly of course.
But, without reading every dot and t of this law, it just seemed rather murky on what could constitute prosecution.
Of course, if what I have read is true, rape in of itself is NOT about sex, it is about an act of violence. The same thing with rape in prison as such. Of course, I don't have anything on hand to prove that with stats and such but I believe that is what I have read.
If a girl is not interested in me sexually then I am likewise not interested. In fact, that is a major turnoff. If a woman expresses that she is not interested than I am not interested.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Take this article right here for example and some of the challenges (the rest of the article can be found at the link :
america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/4/17/nonconsensual-sexwhenrapeisreworded.html
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Well there goes that goddamned wall of text AGAIN !
Just click on the link to follow it. The Notepad is fucking with me this morning.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
It's about fucking time there was a blow back. For too long the justice system and politicians have been pandering entirely to women without giving a fuck about men. And this bullshit rape culture crap too.
You go out on a date, both have a few drinks, sleep with each other, and then the next day she decides she was drunk and unable to give consent and was raped. Fucking ridiculous. Like the guy was any less drunk, and therefore more capable of giving consent.
If you're going to go out and drink, you take the chance that you wake up next to a beast. That's the way shit works, whether you're a boy or a girl. You shouldn't be able to ruin someones life just because you had beer goggles on when you fucked them.
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I would have to agree with that.
In my younger years there have been a couple of times that I and someone I knew were both drunk out of our minds. Now the the fact that I had known both of them for years prior in both instances, and the fact that we were both single, played a big role in how we just regarded it as an incident best forgotten.
But what would happen if you got blitzed out on booze and woke up with a woman that was married ? How hard would it be for her to simply say, " He got me drunk," in such a situation.
Granted, if I am sober and in my right mind, there is no way that I would think of taking advantage of someone intoxicated (let's be honest, intoxicated people are quite unattractive if one is sober around them and I try to avoid really drunk people if I happen to be around them like the plague). In fact, I can not remember the comedy where the dude is going up to a woman while drunk and thinks he is being all charming in his imagination and the reality of it is his hair is all standing up, shirt tail out, etc.
I mean, there are plenty of times that I have been wasted that I thought I was somehow being charming, if anything, that is a sure way to drive any potential chances of going home with anyone to astronomical levels.
But, these days, I am in a monogamous relationship and neither one of us drinks the way that we used to. Problem solved there.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
― Giordano Bruno
Or you can just hire a hooker. Most of them are cheaper than lawyers.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X
I agree with this view.
When I was in the Corps I used to go out on the town with various people in the platoon. We would all get together and get two or three rooms at some dive hotel on LeJeune Blvd. We'd all get dunk and crash. There were a number of times where WM's got raped. Several Marines got kicked out because of it. Rape however happened every fucking weekend. WM's would get drunk and guys would fuck them, multiple guys would. My friends and I would stay away from those crowds but if we ever caught a WM who was so stoned drunk she couldn't even give her own name we'd protect her and call for the MP's. We got in a lot of fights with other Marines and other fuck heads. We even got in fights with officers from Cherry Point but we didn't give a shit. Rape was rape and it was wrong.
I got trashed once with a Marine buddy down here in Orlando on a 96. We partied with Bill Murray and were on our way back home when these two hookers flagged us down. We pulled around to get them but two squids were trying for them too.
We got lost on the back streets and found two black hookers walking around. They had a hotel room already and we went back to fuck but we were both drunk and passed out. When we woke up our wallets were empty and we lost over $400 in cash.
Those two squids we later found out had been arrested by undercover cops and got busted big time by the command at the base in Orlando. So it was a trade off.
WOW, just like ignoring race, you say "this happens too" which is NOT the issue. It is blaming the victim when you start the argument like this. It makes an excuse to ignore a real problem.
It is very easy to accuse someone of something by mere word of mouth, but rape isn't the only crime you can be accused of without physical evidence. A pissed off student in a grade school who doesn't like his teacher can accuse them of molesting them even if it is not true. And?
It still does not change our social bias in America where girls and women are taught to "know what they wear and where they are at" instead of teaching boys/men to keep their hands to themselves.
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If some one walks through a high crime area while foolishly displaying large amounts of cash and they get mugged, I would say the victim is partly responsible for their misfortune. In no way did they deserve to be a victim, but drawing attention to yourself in that manner is like throwing raw meat in front of a wolf. Knowing your surroundings and minding appearances is indeed a legitimate plan of defense. I personally have no problem in resorting to stealth mode to ensure my safety whatever the perceived threat may be.
And they should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Precisely because of the nature of these types of crime, they lend themselves to false reporting and on the flip side, are extremely difficult to prove in court. That people do have their entire lives destroyed, are sometimes labeled a sex offender- even if not convicted- is a real problem. Do you deny that it is?
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It still does not change our social bias in America where girls and women are taught to "know what they wear and where they are at" instead of teaching boys/men to keep their hands to themselves.
Where do you live?!?!? I don't see this horrible bias. But maybe that is because I hang around real men, who I am confident would pretty much unanimously have the same reaction as me if they ever witnessed a rape occurring.
It is good advice for any person to know where they are at and take precautions. That is good advice for men too. I can't remember who it was, but I remember some rock star in the 90's made a practice of videotaping women signing consent forms before he would have sex with them. Pretty smart since being rich and famous puts you at high risk for such accusations.
Personally, I am against rape, and a full supporter of the best tool available to women to prevent rape. Since you are against rape prevention tools, I must assume you are pro rape.
If, if a white man puts his arm around me voluntarily, that's brotherhood. But if you - if you hold a gun on him and make him embrace me and pretend to be friendly or brotherly toward me, then that's not brotherhood, that's hypocrisy.- Malcolm X