Not going to join, asking for too much personal info. 

 Just a reminder that you need to login and make your picks for tonight's game. Beyond has already set things up for himself. If you are worried about setting up your account with yahoo just fucking lie. You can setup an account with out giving any personal information. You can skip over most of the bullshit they throw at you.

I ended up modifying my pages after I stopped using Yahoo for online dating. It was at one point free and the perfect place to pick up women.

I didn't see the game, but I was quite surprised by the score. I expected a high scoring shootout. It looks like the skins forgot which direction the endzone was. 

 The Redskins need to get rid of their numb nuts owner. The guy is a walking cluster fuck.

I'm glad he isn't an owner of the dolphins. I'd start cheering for a different team

Yeah, Andrew Luck not only helped me here, but on my fantasy team he has bailed me out a couple of times so far this year. Sure glad that Peyton, Brees and Rodgers were already taken when I decided to pick my QB.

 I am taking the Redskins over Seattle Monday Night, yea I know but it is a suicide pool.

St.Thomas of Brady and the Patriots are acting like Tom Brady and the Patriots are suppose to act. Next week in Buffalo!!!!!

 I've got a long road ahead of me. I need you to screw up so I can catch you...

 My Redskins are competing with your Jets Beyond.

WHAT KIND OF IDIOT of a coach calls a onside kick early in the 3rd quarter when only one score behind?

What pisses me off is that dispite the Hawks early lead, we didn't capitalize off all their mistakes. Our punting game was a joke too.

I am begginning to think the Jets and Skins have the same owner.

 Honestly, I'm confused about how SF can lose to St Louis. They must be a really messed up team.

RG3 didn't pass to Jordan Reed enough. Didn't the dumbfuck look at my fantasy line up?

As far as the Jets, I didn't even watch it. I refuse to support a dog abusing pos. Only thing I want to see is someone breaking his spine. 

Damn you are closing ground on me this week unless you picked the Giants. My underdogs of the Skins and Texans didn't look so good. At least both were in the game though.

You probably should pick Miami the way their defense has been kicking ass. But I figure my Jets loyalty evens up for you not using the points opening week. 

Fuck Pittsburgh. They are so fucking inconsistent.

did you see the last plays of the game? the one that started the fight?

 Vcik did his time. Do you go to war with the entire country of Spain because of bull fighting? Don't buy anything made in Mexico cause of cock fighting. Oh and you think horse racing is good for horses? You know they ead dogs in Asia? Seems like a little cherry picking. I guess since Rothlessburger didn't get charged he's ok. 

No Vick shouldn't have done it what he did, but Jeffereson owned slaves but I don't see you boycotting the Constitution. I guess as long as you don't beat your slaves owning humans is ok. 

So? That is the difference between me and you. When someone does something you don't like, you want it made illegal and you go after them with police armed with guns, lock them away for X amount of time and call it justice. I don't think he should have gone to jail. When someone does something I don't like, I simply stop giving them my money. Obviously in this case, the majority of people don't share my views, and I'm fine with that. I just choose not to participate and change the channel. 

No, and that is the point. I don't run around banning shit because I don't like it. I just choose not to support it personally. 

Yep, and if you want to eat dogs or race horses, go ahead. I'm not going to eat in a restaurant with Golden Retriever Steak as the daily special. But if one existed, you are perfectly free to choose to go to it or not. This might shock you, but I don't think that everyone else in the world has to make the same moral choices I do. I'm not running around starting a campaign to get Vick fired, I'm not suggesting police show up and  throw him in the slammer for another 20 years, all I am doing is deciding not to be part of his audience. Other people can do what they want. If millions agreed with me, it might make a difference, apparently they don't and I'm fine with that. So I'll turn it off and won't make a bit of difference to anyone in the world other than me, but I am not doing for anyone else in the world other than me. The question is why YOU give a flying fuck. 

Of course it is cherry picking. What else is a personal preference about which football games to watch? I like dogs a hell of a lot more than I like cats. It is personal preference, there is no objective evidence that one is better than the other.

Unlike you, instead of whining about things I don't like and demanding someone in Washington pass a law and throw people doing things I don't want in jail, I just simply stop doing business with them.

Nice logical leap mighty mouse. You manage to mangle history and make a complete mockery of logic in two sentences. 

I normally stay out of your discussions because I find them to be boring and a waste of my time. Also, it isn't just you, it's every one you get in a discussion with over some of the frivoulous stuff. No offense but the gibber and jabbing is ridiculous.

However I gotta say something about Beyond's right to make an opinion about Vick. It doesn't matter if he is cherry picking his views over how or who Vick is; or what he did; etc. It's his opinion and he has a right to it. Just like you have your right to your opnion.

You aren't debating a subject here. He is allowed to cherry pick. It is no different than if some one said, "The Miami Dolphins are the best franchise of all time". It's a broad, open ended opinion which could be broken down in to several different specific classifications. However if some one said, "The Miami Dolphins are the winninest franchise of all time" you could then debate it and say, "well look at the numbers, they don't support that opinion".

Just because Vick did his time doesn't mean the individual needs to forgive him. To Beyond "doing his time" isn't enough. Beyond has or wants more punishment or maybe he will never forgive him. It's his choice and you don't have the right to dispute his judgement. It's personal and it is an opinion he is allowed.

No.

There are a great number of people I have chosen not to do business with because I believe they are immoral. My first employed job was telemarketing selling newspapers. My employers decided to sign a new contract with a company that was pretty shady (one of those convoluted magazine subscription schemes), I thought it was immoral, so I quit my job. I've had a few other business opportunities I passed on because I thought they were a little immoral, although perfectly legal. 

I never said anything about locking anyone up, I don't think Vick should have spent one day in jail, if he wants to televise the fucking dog fights, I think that should be 100% legal. I just choose not to be a fan of a person who would do so. 

Yep, yep and yep. And all three should be legal, but I don't participate and don't want to participate in any of the three. If my favorite bar put in a cockfighting ring, I would go find a new bar, I don't want a bunch of fucking roosters running around while I'm drinking. It should be legal, but I am free to abstain and take my money elsewhere and I would.

I never blast a vegan for being a vegan. Hell, look back at my discussions with Blake on various animal and farming issues- we even swapped vegan recipes. The only vegans I "blast" are those who attempt to get government involved to force me to be vegan too. I would equally blast any carnivore who attempted to ban eating vegetables. If someone decides to boycott meat or boycott General Mills because they use GMOs I don't give a flying fuck. Their choice, none of my business, until they decide to use government to force me to make the same choice. 

I have and that is why I personally kill most of the meat I eat outside of eating out. I have a very strong aversion to such operations, but I understand not everyone has the luxury of driving 1/2 a mile and buying a live pig. Mass meat production is a very disturbing process, even for someone like me who has killed many many animals. I would never attack someone who decided to boycott the industry, I kind of understand.

I don't support circuses or zoos. I find zoos particularly abhorent. The cages they put those animals in amount to torture in my book. Do I support banning them? No. You want to go to a zoo fine, but I will never give a penny to the zoo. On occasion, some store will have a sign up saying "5% of your purchase goes to the Columbus Zoo", I go elsewhere if it isn't terribly inconvenient. Apparently, a lot of people love the Columbus zoo, I don't. So I choose not to participate, others can do as they wish. 

I'm not trying to change anyone's morality. I doubt Vick gives a shit that I don't watch him. Me alone certainly isn't enough to make even a penny difference on his contract. I don't watch him for me, because he makes me angry and I don't watch football to be angry. You can do as you wish. I don't give a flying fuck. The question is why you give a flying fuck about what I decide to watch or what my reasons are. People can join me or not, their fucking choice. I don't care about their morality, I am only responsible for my own. 

Had I lived back then, I would have refused to do business with people who owned slaves. The most peaceful way to end slavery would have been economically- people used slaves because they were economically beneficial far more than because they liked having slaves. We could have avoided the Civil War, hundreds of thousands of deaths and damage of Reconstruction has enough people in the early 1800's decided to refuse to buy cotton from plantations that used slave labor. That would have been far preferable to war.

It is a moot point now, because none of them are alive to buy anything from today. But if I did learn that say my Planter's peanuts today came from a plantation that used forced slave labor, I would refuse to buy Planter's peanuts. Wouldn't you? 

Why should I forgive Vick? The ONLY reason he apologized at all is because he was forced to at the point of a gun. A forced apology isn't an apology Read my quote. He hasn't had some life changing epiphany, he is still an asshole and if it wasn't for him going to jail, he would probably still be running dog fights. I don't think he should have gone to jail. If I became convinced that he ceased being an asshole voluntarily, then maybe I would watch him. 

It isn't a legal right as much as it is a fundamental right. Voicing your opinion isn't always allowed even in America.

Cherry picking during a debate is against the process of debating. You aren't debating a subject.

You shouldn't do those terrible things to any living being, but as I stated previously studies have shown humans have a connection with dogs that goes back back to, maybe, 15,000 years ago. Consider it his pet peeve.

You say he has the right but then you condemn him for it? Again you aren't discussing this subject in a logical way. You want him to change his opinion.

Who are you to get angry with him because of his thinking process? Why do you allow your ego to control the situation?

You are a walking contradiction.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.

I can't believe how many upsets there were this week. I lost 6 games already.
I haven't had that happen since 1942 when I bet a grand that the Bears would win the Super Bowl.

And I picked Washington to win this time against fucking Tampa who is next to last, the worst team in the NFL.

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