Well yeah, if you aren't in an electronic system that can easily be checked they need your drivers license to confirm your identity. Weren't you one that was on here flipping out over illegals? How else do they make sure you are a legal citizen and thus eligible? Seriously, there are much larger issues with this clusterfuck than the identification requirements. Even when I sold health insurance over a decade ago, it was common practice to pull a credit report and if there wasn't one, it was cause for delay in issuing the policy.

So...if you live a debt free life by choice...it effectively makes you an enemy of the state...WOW!....I swear I am living in an alternative universe. 

What? Where did he say that?

Ahh...I DID read it and DID comprehend it...I was just making a general statement.  

 Silly me, thinking that a response quoting me was a response to what I said. 

 So I can't make a general statement on something without arousing everybody's suspicion....touchy touchy......

So what if I quoted him...where is it a rule that everything quoted is a direct response?  Personally, I don't give a shit.  As for ignoring you, I never know exactly what you are getting at.  Maybe I am reading too much between the line to suit you.  

They need to confirm your identity.  A credit check is a way to do that.  If you don't have a rating with a credit bureau you can just confirm your identity via mail.  The author of that website is a fucking moron, or grasping at straws to attack Obamacare.  

Debt and credit aren't the only means of being verifiable through credit agencies.  Also, Obamacare doesn't pretend like you don't exist, in fact it's the opposite... they verify your existence with other means... rendering your title choice for this thread as false.  Most electric companies and some other utility providers will list your payment history on your credit report.  If you rent an apartment, that is likely to be listed on your credit report.  If you've ever had a wage attachment or a judgement against you, that's also likely on your credit report serving as a means to verify.

In other words, relax.  You know what really sucks?  NOT HAVING AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE!

Obviously.

Edit: If someone posted something substantial in response to me, and I didn't understand it, then I would ask more questions for clarification. At the very least, I shouldn't continue making the same assertions that they already addressed and pretend they didn't address it. 

Since you don't even address what I say, it's kind of impossible to know how you're reading my posts. Most likely, you're just not reading my posts at all, considering that I even anticipated that you would just post more links, so I addressed it in advance. But, you continued to do it anyways. Nor are you even analyzing the links that you post.

You keep harping about not trusting the government, not trusting the scientists, etc. etc., but you just parrot everything you post with barely any input of your own. You're a shining example of psychological projection.

Oh? Do you even know what that word means? What part of my characterization was incorrect? All of it?

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- I've accused you of ignoring my posts.

You've certainly done that. In fact, with this response, you're glossing over most of what I wrote in post #17. Of course, I didn't post the most substantial, on-topic comment in this thread. That would be either post #6 from Beyond Saving or post #15 from Sapient, both of them explaining how ignorant the OP is. You certainly haven't responded to either of those posts either as they pertain to your OP yet. I suppose it's possible that you haven't gotten around to it. But, considering the fact that you still haven't addressed my comments in this thread:

http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/34847

, specifically, post #14 and #20, while continuing to post stupid links and assert your skepticism of the scientific community while blindly following conspiracy theories, both of which I've already commented on multiple times, I'm not going to hold my breath. 

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- I've accused you of posting links without explaining your own position or understanding them.

You've certainly provided ample evidence of that as well. All you wrote for the opening of this thread was:

Then, when other people pointed out how stupid that article is, you've said, in defense of it.......nothing.

In the other thread, you even wrote, on one of your links:

If that's not a I-don't-understand-this-topic-well-enough-to-explain-my-own-position-so-I'll-just-post-shit-from-random-websites, then the only thing left to do is to just say it, and I doubt you're going to say it.

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- I've accused you of being hypocritical and asserting that you are a skeptic, so you don't blindly believe the government, etc., but you blindly believe the sources you post without questioning them. 

That seems to be the case. You don't seem to have actually analyzed any of the links you've posted so far, but accepted them as legitimate criticisms of the government and of the scientific community.

So who says I have to explain anything?  Where is it written?  I have an opinion and I express it.  Don't like my opinion, unless I am attacking you, as you have done me, I couldn't give a rat's ass.  You act as if it is a SIN to have an opinion and NOT explain it.  What if I don't give a shit about it?  

But I will tell you what...just because I am a nice guy, I will be what you want me to be, JUST TO MAKE YOU HAPPY.  Are you happy now?  

Hmmm, the way you frame our discussion is quite odd.

The only thing I "wanted" you to be was to be open-minded and to have an actual productive conversation with me. If you're going to do that, then yes, I would be happy.

But, if you just mean that you're going to pretend that you agree, then no, of course not. That's stupid. Even if you were serious and not just being passive-aggressive, I still wouldn't want you to blindly agree with everything I say. That's no different, in form, than what you seem to be doing now.

And clearly, you do give some shits about spreading your opinion, as evidenced by these multiple threads. So, the only thing you could mean is that you care about giving your opinion, but you don't care to explain your opinion. That seems odd, imo. See, what's truly important to me is not what your opinion is, it's how you form your opinion. If you had read my previous posts, you would already know that, and I wouldn't be repeating myself. Practical consequences aside, I "like" your opinion to the extent that it is based on reason and evidence and "don't like" it to the extent that it is not. And, until you understand that AND apply the same level of skepticism to your own beliefs, I can't get through to you. So, no, I can't force you to change your opinion nor do you "have" to explain yourself, but that is irrelevant. Rather, I assume that, like me, you want your position to be based on evidence and reason, so you will search for them. Then, when anyone else presents evidence and reason against what you currently believe, you will consider modifying your own opinion in light of it. 

That is what it is for the "bronze" plans, the cheapest plans under that act. 

I'm saying it would have been cheaper to just expand medicaid or other single payer system to cover whatever random ass number we decided was too poor. It is cheaper to just flat out cover whatever the costs are if you get sick than to purchase insurance- purchasing insurance requires a bunch more people to get involved, all of whom earn salaries. If the government is paying anyway, it has a deep enough pool to cover actual costs without needing an insurance company.

And wouldn't you be better off if they could give you more than 30 hours a week without having such an extremely large increase in the hourly rate? 

I'm not, except for the mandate penalty because I actually hate health insurance companies more than I hate government. Obviously you aren't either since your net benefit is $150/month compared to pre-law prices- it is probably quite a bit larger of a benefit now since prices have increased since then across the board due to law related and unrelated changes. Unless you are in some way paying more than that in, you are a net recipient and thus not paying.  

No, I hate Obama as much as I hate every politician, his wife is actually the one in the family capable of actually irritating me when she shows up on my cooking shows. What pisses me off is that people I care for are being hurt and I can only do so much to mitigate the damage done to them in my little corner of the world. While you are sitting there with no fucking deductible, people I care about are being slapped with health insurance that is 150-200% higher for higher deductibles because they committed the sin of making above poverty wages but not being rich enough to skip health insurance entirely. 

So no, I'm not happy for people like you, you're taking it from someone else because you are old enough and unproductive enough and fall into the sainted class. You are stealing it from other people and I have absolutely no respect for that. It is bad enough stealing from the rich, at least it is true as the yarn goes "they can afford it", you're stealing from the young and that to me is completely morally reprehensible. And there are millions across the country that are sitting there getting their cheap/free health insurance and don't give a second thought about who is paying for it. 

It is the kid who works Papa Johns and gets shafted 8 cents a pizza tip, the 20 something that started their own business and has to go into the individual market to purchase insurance, the waitress who is limited to 30 hours a week without a second job, the college student who is no longer allowed to work full time during the summer, the small employer who is looking at making that leap across the magic threshold of 50 employees. Those are the people being hurt. 

What difference does it make who is more to blame? It is a horrible law. And I haven't even voted for my "beloved GOP" in well over a decade. Of course they are more successful, using government to force people to buy your product is very effective. The mystery is why people on the left are all getting in line to support it, apparently getting something for free is enough for them to shut their eyes to all the ideals they espouse. This is easily the most corporatist law passed in my lifetime and it was passed when the supposed anti-corporate party controlled both houses and the presidency.