Never.

The root of this conflict was the Palestine mandate where the League of Nations decided there should be mass migration of Jews into the area to create a Jewish state. They didn't consult with the local Palestinians if they wanted this mass migration with no plan for integration. The Balfour Declaration was a scheme of global elitiests was it not?

The same thing is happening today with the globalist elitiests making sure there is continual mass migration into America and Europe, without consulting the local populations. They are using the media to label anyone that opposes this scheme as racist and a 'conspiracy theorist'. The fact that there are some kooks on the far right does not mean this is not a scheme of elitists to keep the unwashed masses poor, ignorant and enslaved.

Now, the so called 'progressives' don't know which side to support in this conflict. The fact is they've been duped by the elitists and their propaganda arms that dominate the media and education system. Just like the right wingers have been duped.

Ok, let me see if I can do this too, "All white people are kkk and Neo Nazis because they are white. All Christians are KKK members and Neo Nazis." 

Ok asshole, lets give you some Jewish history too. 

Nobody wanted to take in German Jews after WW2, not even pre WW2. The M.S. St Louis was a boat full of  Jewish refugees turned away by at the time FREE democratic and sitll Catholic majority Cuba, and when asked while in port in Cuba to go to America, those 900 Jews were turned away by Chrisitian majority America in 1939. There was even a fucking Nazi Rally in NYC in Madison Square Gardens in 1939. Nobody wanted Jews, so when you fucking pull this shit be accurate. And lets not forget The German Nazis were FUCKING CHRISTIANS. It was Britian who set up the deal to send the European Jews to then "Palestine".  So be consistant, it isn't just Islam that didn't want Jews, but everybody. 

Now, having said that, Hamas, not Palestinians, are the ones that want to kill Jews. And if any Muslim in America decides to murder Jews or anyone else, they will be arrested and they will pay for it. But you are pulling the same "Lump the entire population in and assume guilt" which is not what we do in the west. But, you also have no problem treating Hispanic migrants the same fucking way, treating them like "other" , so don't fucking pull this shit that it is only about Muslims or Palestinians. You fucking hate anyone that isn't like you, especially economically. 

Now, having said that. Atheists arn't fucking stupid, we know the political bent that is baked into the Koran and Hadiths. But to say we don't have our right wing nuts who treat women like chattle is bullshit. Amish, Mormons, LDS. They do it too. 

It is one thing to point out the religious motives people try to push into politics, and that is dangerous. It is also another thing to point out religious subjugation of females , but don't fucking ignore that America is now a country that forces teens to give birth to their rapists babies. 

I am with Christopher Hitchens in calling religion poison. But all religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, not just the Abrahamic three, but all. But that does not give me the excuse to treat all in each group as evil. Even Hitchens said in "God Is Not Great" when invited to holy places, he would abide to their customs. POINT IS ASSHOLE, it is one thing to criticize and blaspheme another religion for the perpose of Jefersonian walls, but it is never ok to be a xenophobic fuck, which is what you are doing. 


 And I think you may have forgotten what Chuck Norris said about tattooing the word God on every atheist's forehead. That is som Nazi shit right there. 

I 100% condemn the actions taken by Hamas in beheading babies and raping women. They are vile cockroaches. And yes, they were religously motivated. But we should never lose our common humanity for others who do not and would not do those things.

Pluralism isn't protected through "otherism". 

 

 The Diary Of Anne Frank, "

“In spite of everything I still believe that people are really good at heart. I simply can’t build up my hopes on a foundation consisting of confusion, misery, and death. I see the world gradually being turned into a wilderness, I hear the ever approaching thunder, which will destroy us too, I can feel the sufferings of millions and yet, if I look up into the heavens, I think that it will all come right, that this cruelty too will end, and that peace and tranquility will return again.”
 

 Peace and tranquility cannot return if suspicion and fear are always the diet. 

It was the Zionist Jews and Evangelical Christians that created this mess. The British Prime minister Lloyd George supported the creatation of the Jewish state at a time when Jews were only a small minority in Palestine getting along peacefully. His reason was to bring on the return of Christ to the earth. So it wasn't a Jewish or British conspiracy, it was a conspiracy of religious people along with the arrogant elitist League of Nations.

You are the one that has been indoctrinated with the belief that everyone that opposes your views is part of a 'vast right wing consiracy'. You sound like Hillary Clinton. I'd take a look in the mirror to see who is being duped by propaganda.

 'vast right wing consiracy'

I have been on this site 15 years and never once used those words, or anything approximating those words.

Your rhetoric is justifying "otherism". It isn't adressing economic or quality of life stress. I am in my late 50s, I know other countries are not as well off as ours. But here in America "fuck you I've got mine" has and still is making survival here more and more difficult. Our GOP wants poverty here to keep a cheap workforce. 

 

I used single quotes as in so-called.

Every Communist/Socialist I've ever encountered believes there is a conspiracy to keep the masses igonorant about what life would be like under Communism or Socialism. Who or what then is keeping the masses from seeing 'how wonderful life would be if everything were free' under your vision of Communism?

Why can't the Palestinians just accept that all immigration is good and that only a racist fascist would oppose unlimited migration into their homeland? That is what the citizens of USA, Canada and western Europe are being told. If the working class natives of Canada must accept that they can never buy a home because of too many immigrants driving up the prices to insane levels, why can't the Palestinians accept their overcrowded living conditions?

Why are some mass migrations good and others evil? What makes one migraton 'humanitarian refugee resettlement' and another 'colonization'?

 

Treating Palestinians as second class citizens didn't happen until mass immigration of 'refugees' caused Jews to became majority so they could form their own communities and then their own country. So why is the mass immigration happening now to the USA, Canada and western Europe somehow different? Why should we expect a different outcome of the current mass migration of 'refugees' due to Biden's open borders than what happened to Palestinians?

Already illegal immigrants don't have to follow our employment laws, they don't pay the same taxes or pay for health care at the same level as natives. Won't non-people of color eventually become second class? Why not if this happened in Palestine? Already, public schools and the media fully indoctrinate the masses with propaganda that white people are morally inferior and that white migrations were always colonizations. Why is there universal support for sacred homelands Jewish, Palestinian, Native Americans, Blacks, Hispanics, etc. But even suggest a sacred homeland for white people and you would be evil?

The rich are buying up property because they know there are too many fucking people desperate for housing and no way to rapidly build more. The rich caused the problem by indoctrinating dumb voters that immigration is all good and getting their guys elected. They would not be buying property if there weren't a lot of desperate people caused by our open borders. Dumb leftists are continually reverse cause and effect. The rich are vultures that take advantage of leftists that are too fucking dumb to understand that the problem is too many fucking people. Governments do not have a magic wand to magically build more housing. The only thing government could have done is restrict immigration, but that ship has sailed. The USA is going to be a third world shithole with shortages of all kinds of things eventually causing a civil war.

 

 

Jews ended up in Israel after WW2 because nobody wanted them. Britian is responsible for brokering the deal to send them there. 

I fail to see how slaughtering unarmed concert goers and raping women constitutes lagit resistence or even protest. 

I am fine with making the argument that Isreal's expansionism is wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right. 

Hamas is not an honest player looking to protect religious pluralism. Even if Isreal didn't exist their goal like many in Sharia Islam and Iran is global domination and the murder of any and all apostates, not just Jews. 

 

Jesus fucking Christ on a bagel, let's start getting our fucking elementary school terminology straight, shall we? Iran would love to fucking eradicate Hamas, because Hamas is Sunni and Iran is Shii, which is why Iran supports Hezbollah, not Hamas. There is no such a fucking thing as "Sharia Islam." This shit isn't even fucking hard, especially not in 2023, with all the resources at our disposal. Fuck...

 

So why aren't all the people like you that feel this way supportive of a 'White-Christian' homeland in USA and Canada. Why just Palestinian Muslims get a homeland on 'their' land?

Why are white peole in USA, Canada, Ireland, etc... racist and xenophobic to oppose unlimited immigration into their homeland, but Palesinians are heros for doing the same in opposing west bank settlements?

Or maybe you just don't want to face the fact that you beliefs are based upon woke political indoctrination from the Canadian education system, so you are unable to defend them from any criticism. You don't think for yourself, you just follow the woke indoctrination program.

It was evil when Jews migrated en mass to lands owned by Palestinian Muslims because they are entitled to a homeland free of immigrants not of their race and religion. But white-Christians are somehow not entitled to the same and are racist for even wanting the same. It is evil for white Americans or Canadians to oppose mass immigration to the places they live or to claim that it is their land or their country. You have no explaination for this vast difference of the two groups, but I'm the one that makes no sense, when I'm just asking you a simple question.

Nothing but ad hominim because you can't argue against my logic.

Yes, just listen to the 'sane' ones like yourself that always demononize the others and have put us on the verger of WW III.

You wouldn't know what logic was if it slapped you in the face, and you have never made a rational argument about anything. It's hilarious you accuse me of ad hominem when every post you've ever made is ad hominem. You're a liar a hypocrite and a brainless buffoon and you belong in a psychiatric ward.

For someone as easily triggered as you, this is obviously pure projection.

 Although I consider myself mostly a political conservative I find that my views are evolving a bit of more centrist position.  A lot of is that I've exposed myself to alternative media of a more liberal persuasion.  Due Dissidence which is ran by two American Jews who call out Israel for the war crimes against the civilians in Gaza.  They are also very much against Zelensky of Ukraine for the rampant corruption in his government that the corporate media ( both left and right ) refuse to shed a light on. The Grayzone with Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate are two commentators  that I follow closely

 

Breakthrough News is a very left leaning YouTube channel that I find myself agreeing with more and more as well.  I trust them to share a very unfiltered viewpoint with very little of their own politics creeping in.

 

There are others that I follow but I just thought that some of the longtime members here who are familiar with my stridently right wing viewpoints might appreciate  the irony.  

 

PS, why is the Ukraine thread locked ?

 Okay, thanks Vastet.

 Yes, I clicked on the link and it took me straight to page two of this thread.  That's perfect as I wanted to continue following this topic. Thanks again !

If only the Nazis had not been so evil. Hundreds of millions would have been saved. They would have gone then gone all to have billions of chldren and grandchildren. But we should just become a Commie and then the planet could somehow sustain unlimited human population growth without shortages and wars. Easier for me to believe in Jesus.

Europe currently has a massive housing shortage and limited resourses to grow food, obtain water. But somehow if people just adopted your nutty political views, countless billions more people could all live in peace and everyone would have everthing they need. You don't want to explain how that happens. All you can do is get mad at me for pointing out the reality of the human conditon.