You People Don't Know What You're Even Talking About [Trollville]
Posted on: August 23, 2007 - 1:47pm
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You People Don't Know What You're Even Talking About [Trollville]
I'm afraid Theism is not a mind disorder, no physchiatrist can even diagnose it. You also need to do better research, because I'm afraid there is no proof of atheism. You people seem to be too arrogant to look at all the facts right. And it is no wonder why a blind-eye like Richard Dawkins represents you people, even he can't even look for more research, because, among just a few things, I'm afraid religion doesn't encourage evil and no, in a lot of ways humankind would still remain troubled if everyone where like you people.
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I fixed your post.
Wow. That was completely incoherent. The irony of this post makes me smile.
Prove atheism? Really? Ok, here it goes. I see no evidence of a supernatural deity. I am now living proof of atheism. Get it?
If god takes life he's an indian giver
Is belief in invisible blue monkeys in your fridge a mind disorder? Answer = Yes. So belief in a magic friend in the sky who plays evil puppeteer is also a mind disorder.
Atheism does not require proof, atheists are not making the positive claim, you are. You need to provide proof of a god, unilt then I withhold belief.
It is rather arrogant to assume a book written by primitive men living in caves, scared by the power of nature and the unpredictability of it all, could somehow explain the origins of the universe.
This is pretty incoherent, but I think you are saying religion doesn't encourage evil. Have you read the torah/quran/bible?
Eh, what exactly does one website have to do with the other? They aren't affiliated, as far as I know.
Generally, coming on to a forum and post something that's full of piss and vinegar isn't a good way to start off. Are you going to continue to post these ridiculous statements or do you have something of worth to say?
If god takes life he's an indian giver
Wow, you people really make me laugh my ass off all the way. Many, many things have not been proven yet, like cures for diseases. Your lack of patience is amazing.
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I'm afraid I have read the Bible, and the Golden Rule is specifically "do unto others as you would want others to do unto you." Read the entire book, and not just portions of it.
I can see you're following the Golden Rule to the tee. You come on a forum and immediately insult people. You can't even see the hypocrosy in that, I'll bet.
If god takes life he's an indian giver
Cures aren't proven, chucklehead, they're discovered, or formulated. If your posting here was any more of a waste of time, it would be a church service.
"The powerful have always created false images of the weak."
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I have read it..... you seem to have not.
It also states that unruly children should be stoned and tells you how to mark your slaves.
How many slaves do you own and when was the last time you dragged a little brat out of Wal-Mart and threw rocks at his head until he quit moving?
While I'm inclined to agree, let's give our new friend a chance to say something coherent and logical. Sometimes these theists just get wound up a little too tight in the beginning.
If god takes life he's an indian giver
You're afraid a lot.
1. Can delusions be diagnosed? A delusion is a firmly held belief that contradicts evidence.2. The rest are arguments from assertion. Back them up or back off them.
Well, although I had until now hitherto to meet such an OP who made such a slew of unsubstantiated ad nauseam assertions, I must point out that these commit an astonishing ad ignoratium fallacy, moreover, you have yet to specify which epistemilogical stance of atheism you are making reference to. Please read this:
http://www.rationalresponders.com/the_argument_from_ignorance_and_its_uses_and_abuses
Please educate yourself in basic logic, simpleton. The flagrant employment of the fallacy indicates you have never, ever, bothered with 4th grade logic. Perhaps you should read a book. If you have never done this before, then it can even have lots of nice PICTURES to get you started. Other than that, could you please not flaunt your arrogant stupidity and borderline incoherency, regardless of how entertaining it may be, given that I would not hugely suprised if you had been living under a rock thus far and hence had never engaged in polite conversation with other people, or, indeed, ever employed language at all, judging by the quality of your prose.
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This site is a proof of atheism. Atheism definitely exists. Oh...did you mean evidence for atheism?
"Can delusions be diagnosed? A delusion is a firmly held belief that contradicts evidence."
Don't you mean "faith" is a a firmly held belief...er...ah...wait...never-mind, I just looked at my dictionary again; The words delusion AND faith signify the same thing it seems, virtually synonymous definitions. My bad, sorry about that
I think the worst time to have a heart attack is during a game of charades...or a game of fake heart attack.
Had you looked at the facts (hypocrite) you'd know that your statement about theism disorder diagnose is far off the mark, and that the most important psychologist of our time in fact considers theistic belief a mental disorder.
This will get you started.
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Nice. While you're handing out judgement there, please hand out a logical explanation to me.
Please explain why you have a belief in something that only exists in a book that was written by people who didn't brush their teeth. Then, after that, you need to explain why you claim there is something mentally wrong with "us people" with no evidence to back up your assertions.
Please refrain from refrencing any books in the bible while you're doing this.
That last line is a stunner! Tell me something, would people strap bombs on themselves and run into buildings if everyone was an atheist? If everyone was an atheist, then 911 would only mean "emergency"!
Oh, and by the way, as far as "atheism doesn't exist"... Atheists break *all the rules*. And we aren't afraid of burning for eternity because of it! The rules we're referring to were created by theists anyway. All aspects of theism, and atheism break every actual rule that exists in the world. I mean, even the creation of the words break the rules before you even delve into them!
It's I before E, except after C. But look at the words. They're wrong.
We're breaking the rules right now, and will most likely continue to do so. We shouldn't even be having this conversation, because theism shouldn't exist and directly cause atheism to exist! Get it?
Every step I took in faith betrayed me
-Sarah McLachlan
Really? Ask Albert Ellis about that.
"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'
Getreal, I'm afraid your behaviour will be looked upon as an embarrasment to Christianity, and rightly so.
How dare you state the Golden Rule after your inexcusable OP? You sir are a cretin, forgive me for saying so, but living by the Golden Rule you understand why I've just insulted you I hope?
If not, then bother these people no more.
Thank you.
FOC,
Isn't it christianity that should be blamed for Getreal's actions?
Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him .
Romans 1
1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
Getreal is just doing a christian duty. Are you saying that they are wrong for doing this? Why?
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I think he was attacking him for failing at his Christian duties in regard to following the Golden Rule.
But rest assured FOC, we can stand-up for ourselves.
I suck at signatures.
Aren't you standing up for me though?
My problem with his post exist in the rude manner in which he chose to express it. Indeed my point is he is misusing Christianity.
The golden rule is the most sacred Christian duty in my opinion. Moreso than anything listed above.
Thank you.
Oh I don't know.
Some people value honesty over compassion.
Some people find the things that people do in defense of others or their own actions as admirable.
Of course, when it is a lie can it really be a valid defense?
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God is the only mental illness in the world that is not treated as such. Saying that believing in God is "okay" and "normal", is like saying a big "fuck you" to all Atheists who even TRY to be rational human beings.
Trust and believe in no god, but trust and believe in yourself.
Talk to god = praying
god talks to you = schizophrenia
Talk to yourself = reassurance
Talk back to yourself = verbal thinking
Ask yourself, "HUH?" = right back to schizophrenia
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Talking to your toilet = too much to drink/virus/bad food
Toilet talking back = japan
Actually, I'm leaning toward disagreement with that conclusion. From what I remember about diagnosing mental disorders, the thoughts, beliefs, or behaviors have to interfere with what is considered a "normal" or "functional" life. So, the subeject in your example oughtn't be considered as suffering from a mental disorder unless, (for example) because of his fear of these monkeys, he takes a sledgehammer smashes every refridgerator he buys, leading him into financial ruin. So I would say the belief is delusional, but not necessarily owing to a mental disorder.
That is what I meant to say, actually the belief in the invisible blue monkeys has led me to wage a personal jihad on refrigerators and now by bombing appliance stores I am guaranteeing myself in the 'blessed' lawn with eternal lawn sprinklers. In this magic land of eternal lawn sprinklers I will have 83 sprinklers to run through and enjoy for the rest of the afterlife. Praise 'Fukar', everything he bestows upon us is great and perfect.
I don't recall ever saying that theism couldn't be a mental disorder. Just that it was not necessarily one.
Gee, putting down a man that has decades of reseach under his belt compared to Getreal which probably has no more than 6 hours total.
Was this aimed at me?
"The idea of God was not a lie but a device of the unconscious which needed to be decoded by psychology. A personal god was nothing more than an exalted father-figure: desire for such a deity sprang from infantile yearnings for a powerful, protective father, for justice and fairness and for life to go on forever. God is simply a projection of these desires, feared and worshipped by human beings out of an abiding sense of helplessness. Religion belonged to the infancy of the human race; it had been a necessary stage in the transition from childhood to maturity. It had promoted ethical values which were essential to society. Now that humanity had come of age, however, it should be left behind." -Sigmund Freud on Religion-
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Nice post FOC. While I see theism as irrational, everyone has irrational thoughts, and theists clearly can be rational, as you being here.
"Hitler burned people like Anne Frank, for that we call him evil.
"God" burns Anne Frank eternally. For that, theists call him 'good.'
TRANSLATION:
"I am not used to having my beliefs challenged. Insted of looking at my own claims, I will blame them for my discomfort, insted of actually examining what I believe to see if it is acutally true"
An episode of South Park already speculated about violence if the world were all "atheist". Their point was that human behaivor wouldnt change.
I would say the worst attitude that any atheist or theist can have is that of trying to create a utopia. But theism hasnt proven itself, it has shown to be the most divisive invention of the human mind.
I dont think that if atheists dominated this planet problems would go away. But I think problems can be better solved by observation, not crossing your fingers, using oiji boards, praying to Thor or Jesus.
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