Yes, and the irony was that he interprets the passage to mean that I need to tie the millstone around the neck myself.  Notice it doesn't say that anywhere in the passage, but he held firm on it even when I pointed out his misinterpretation.  Christians are becoming even more typical by the hour.  Everyday I start to gain more and more respect for the Fred Phelps clan, the closest thing we have to true Christians.

 don't ask for much in life, but would the true Christians please step up to the plate and tie a millstone around all of the members of RRS, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and anyone else leading people to reality, and throw us in the ocean?!

"But if anyone causes another one of these little ones who trusts in me to lose faith, it would be better for that person to be thrown out into the ocean with a large millstone tied around the neck." Mark 9:42 NLT

Jesus says, "There will always be temptations to sin, but how terrible it will be for the person who does the tempting. It would be better to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around than neck than to face the punishment in store for harming one of these little ones." Luke 17:1-2 NLT

 Actually its talking about how God will react. so its not up to "real Christians"(as few and far between as they are) to do anything. basically its better for that person to do that with the millstone then to face Gods judgment towards them.

"So you think it is mature for dad to drowned his children when they misbehave or disagree?" not sure how this has anything to do with my comment but ill address it anyway.  well they were told what would happen if they did and they chose to do it anyway it would be unfair and wrong to not give them what they chose right???

That's what we've been saying all along .

This is just my interpretation, but I think this passage basically is saying "Don't be a hypocrite.", not "Never judge anyone." The key part is "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged," The idea is, when God judges you at the end of time all God needs to do is judge by your own standards. So if Phelps goes around bashing gays, while he himself is gay, then God would judge Phelps by this standard.

Notice though the passage says "first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." So Phelps, if he truly had the plank out of his own eye, could do what he does without violating this passage.

This is one of the more enlightened parts of the New Testament. I pretty much agree with you here.

Atheism is not a lifestyle. If no one ever talked to me about religious beliefs, they'd probably never know I was an atheist.

The point of these verses is to remind readers of the New Testament that we have a responsibility to the people around us.  As illustrated above, people like to judge groups of people by the actions of a few.  Each Christian is responsible to all other believers, and to non-believers who we hope to reach, to live their lives in such a way as to be an example to others.

Please understand I believe the example is in how we succeed and how we recover from failure.  Everyone fails, but how do we deal with it. 

One of my pet peeves is the tendency of people to play the "get out of jail free card" at any chance given.  I honestly believe we will still be judged after this life, but that we will be spared a sentence in Hell or utter destruction.  We are still culpable and should live accordingly. 

Jesus lived for 33 years as a human being.  That is historically unquestioned.  The question arises as to his relationship to the Creator and his Deity.  These are matters of personal faith, and faith is a decision. However, much like Ghandi, he lived a life of simple means and spread love and a measure of faith where he went.  He did have a spate of wrath, as he was upset at seeing a place of worship used as a place of commerce and worse.  However, he lived an example life.  Christians and non-believers can agree to that point at least.

The now cliche question, What Would Jesus Do, is still applicable though.  When an adultress was brought before him, he did not allow her to be killed, even though he was unhappy with her choices.  I don't think that he would have treated a homosexual any different that he did that lady. 

The question is one of Love to others, and Jesus is not the only example to have walked the earth, but for us who believe, he is THE best example of it, and he begs forgiveness to his father on our behalf.

-Rob

That's nice.Can you show where in the bible it says that, or is just something you say to make god seem nicer?

I just questioned it.Oh noes!

I disagree.If your jesus existed,he wasn't a model for good living.

Matthew 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children,and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

Oh hay, jesus doesn't condemn slavery.That silly Emancipation Proclamation!

Matthew 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Great future planning advice there

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

Don't save money? Good luck sending the kids to college

Matthew 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

Real mature jesus

And he's the only person in history who would have done something good and should therefore be worshipped?

I Timothy 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

I Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

I note homosexuals still aren't going to heaven.

Look harder?