A Friend Who Is Rational In Everything Else Excpet The Existance Of A God
Posted on: September 23, 2007 - 1:28pm
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A Friend Who Is Rational In Everything Else Excpet The Existance Of A God
I have a friend who is a theist and he is usually a very rational guy, however when it comes to the existance of God he is incredibly irrational... here are some things he's said
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"Well,God only gives us a little push to do things. God would only tell you to give money to charaity if you'tr the type of person who would anyway"
"God has proven himself to me and because you don't believe just means that he's not going to prove himself to you"
"Just because Stephen Hawkin has a very high IQ and the the majority of scientists with a high IQ are atheists, doesn't make them right"
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The last one is correct.
The first two are a bit problematic.
As wavefreak said, this is true but when they use their intellect to do scientific research then what they say does have some credibility.
He's right on the last one. It's an argument from authority. I can name famous Theist scientists too.
In the first case, it seems a little circular. God will only help you do something that you'd do anyway. Does this apply to healing as well? Like would god only cure you if you were going to recover anyway? If so, why would anyone need this god?
Let me play too!
Francis Collins led a team of researchers to map the human genome. I think it was 42 researchers. This was a remarkable achievement in our short history. He wrote a whole book about the evidence for god. His arguments were a disgrace to science (he put the word science in his title) and completely irrational.
His best argument for evidence of God:
At about 36 minutes, watch him dodge his proof for god with a non sequitir testimony that doesn't give any evidence whatsoever. A scientist without evidence, writing about how he has scientific proof for God? The man is not only a Christian, he is an utter disgrace to science. (blah blah but the genome sapient!-- shut up)
37 minutes in he makes the absurdly retarded assertion that atheists are only responsible to themselves, yet he completely dismisses our police force that enforces laws that atheists are responsible to.
39 minutes in he recognizes that evolution ocurrs, then makes his own completely contradictory interpretation of the bible by stating that God created evolution. Someone like Captain Pineapple could get away with a deistic creator while believing in evolution, but let's face it, no Christian can. Unless you accept that the bible is flawed, and then therefore accept a ton of flawed data (like the life of Jesus) as true... and are therefore cherry picking to make your belief fit reality.
40 minutes he represents a horribly ignorant understanding of anthropology and how societies develop morals, and why. Seriously it makes you wonder how he ever accomplished anything in science, he gives arguments that lead you to believe he is a moron.
42:30 the smart guys laugh as soon as Francis Collins' name is brought up.
43:06 Rose points out in a nice way that Francis Collins is an irrational windbag.
44:33 he represents a patently ignorant view of faith. Calling it the most reasonable way to attain proof. Hello McFly are you in there?
His worst argument overall is a strawman of atheism at 44:40:
- For those that haven't heard this argument, the flaw lies in the fact that the theist must be willing to do the obverse, and admit there might be evidence that no god exists. However when confronted, the lie, and state they KNOW god exists. (just like we claim "we KNOW" there is no good reason to believe in god) Can you say scientific legend is a moron?
At 45:41 he represents he has an 8th grade education understanding of cosmology by setting forth the notion that we came from nothing. Makes a nonsequitir false moronic assertion with no basis whatsoever that something outside of nature had to create it.
46:26 "god of the gaps" google it.
I can't watch any further, I might vomit on my laptop. I encourage anyone to take this video further. To expose the compartmentalization and ignorance of Francis Collins. I've been wanting to make a piece about him for a while.
Someone step up and help expose this disgusting disgrace to the world of science. This is an example of a man with a delusional disorder.
irrational people: But Sapient he's so smart.
me: Really? Then re-read above.
Todangst feel free to weigh in on his usage of CS Lewis, Mere Christianity. (a dumb book written by a smart man)
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Ken Miller: Profosser of Biology at Brown university author 'Finding Darwin's God' Christian and critic of the 'Intelligent Design.' movement.
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I'll just mention Miller for now. The other two aren't really relevant to the point.
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I usually put my rational hat on when I get on the internet for the sake of all you people. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be able to handle me otherwise.
"Well,God only gives us a little push to do things. God would only tell you to give money to charaity if you'tr the type of person who would anyway"
Whenever I hear something like this said I immediately say, "Which God"?
I usually want to establish in their minds that they need to define which god because there are literally hundreds.
Then I say that if a person who believes in a different god of you makes the same exact claims you do, Is that proof that their god really exists?
They usually end up saying something stupid like "The devil is making them think it's a different god to trick them"
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