AiG: Finland School Shootings: The Sad Evolution Connection
Posted on: November 9, 2007 - 10:30am
AiG: Finland School Shootings: The Sad Evolution Connection
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/11/08/finland-fruits-of-humanism
I am at a loss for words.
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"Fancy way?"
So the reason why you don't see school shootings in the paper is not because they're not happening. It's because *so many* are happening that papers don't report them. Yeah, that makes sense.
"After Jesus was born, the Old Testament basically became a way for Bible publishers to keep their word count up." -Stephen Colbert
"Fancy" is just a euphemism for "totally incorrect". Creationists talk about "fancy quoting" and "fancy science" and the like. It's a codeword!
yeah the newspapers these days don't care about school shootings i blew away thirty people and only ended up on the same page as doonesbury and the weather
Götter sind für Arten, die sich selbst verraten -- in den Glauben flüchten um sich hinzurichten. Menschen brauchen Götter um sich zu verletzen, um sich zu vernichten -- das sind wir.
Yeah, because unlike evolution, religion has never been used as an excuse to justify murder in history.
Morte alla tyrannus et dei
Yeah, because unlike evolution, religion has never been used as an excuse to justify murder in history.
Morte alla tyrannus et dei
I don't know what's sadder...
the deaths or the way AiG is rubbing themselsves with glee at the thought of another way they can spin evolution to be "evil".
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Well, the shooting actually resulted in dead people, AIG's comments just result in dumb people.
Götter sind für Arten, die sich selbst verraten -- in den Glauben flüchten um sich hinzurichten. Menschen brauchen Götter um sich zu verletzen, um sich zu vernichten -- das sind wir.
What's really odd is that the kid was trying to correct what he considered a "failure of evolution" by exterminating the less fit. AIG then credits this act to following evolutionary ideas in a religious manner. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if this kid was a 'true believer' in the ToE wouldn't he have realized that evolution does not require willfull enforcers? That it can handle exterminating the weak perfectly fine on its own?
It actually seems like a failure to understand evolution and allow it to run its course is at fault here. Of course, there is no surprise that people misunderstand evolution with all the disinformation being spread by people like those at AIG.
In actuality it seems this kid was freaking nuts. Nutty people do nutty things. But, in the end, he turned the gun on himself and through the power of almighty evolution one nutty set of genes was removed from the pool.
“Philosophers have argued for centuries about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, but materialists have always known it depends on whether they are jitterbugging or dancing cheek to cheek" -- Tom Robbins
But the nigh-orgasmic happiness that AiG's followers are getting from this story is freaking morbid.
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
I only have time to skim through this while at work, but these are the standard "Do we have to teach it to you with a sledge hammer" mistakes that I noticed
Evolution is an -ism - Evolution is a process by which hereditary chage occurs in a population, whether we believe it or not. The statement "Gene frequencies in a population change over time due to natural selection by environmental factors" make no statement of any moral or philosophy that one can logically make into an -ism.
Social Darwinism = Evolution - Social Darwinist this kid wasn't if we can take the quote from him at the top of the article to be his beliefs. Social Darwinism is the idea that people are where they are because their breeding puts them there. Its a sort of Calvanism of genetics that says experience and effort count for nothing in human society while Genes (or breeding, genetics wasn't a field when SD was created) determine every single last detail about you.
If a person were to actually apply something like evolution to society, we would find that a person's ofspring benifit from the parent's ability to adapt to the socio-economic environment. The replicating unit are the ideas and attitudes (a kind of memetic replication) that shape how you approach society, the environment is society, and the selection presure is ones social health. The only remotely Darwinian concept about society is where you start.
School Shooting the "Friuts of Humanism"
From the original Humanist manifesto
FIFTEENTH AND LAST: We assert that humanism will: (a) affirm life rather than deny it; (b) seek to elicit the possibilities of life, not flee from them; and (c) endeavor to establish the conditions of a satisfactory life for all, not merely for the few. By this positive morale and intention humanism will be guided, and from this perspective and alignment the techniques and efforts of humanism will flow.
Humanism at one of its oldest core assertions holds that since this life is all we get (EIGHT: Humanism considers the complete realization of human personality to be the end of man's life and seeks its development and fulfillment in the here and now. This is the explanation of the humanist's social passion.) that we should do everything we can to expand life for all people. Gunning people down in the hallways of a school building isn't the fruits of Evolution and Humanism. I think if we looked deep enough we'd find that its the fruits of people being told by religious leaders that "If evolution is true it means that there is no reason to be a decent person, good and evil are gone!"
The Regular Expressions of Humanistic Jones: Where one software Engineer will show the world that God is nothing more than an undefined pointer.
Yeah, it's sick, but they didn't actually kill anybody. Let's try to keep things in perspective here.
Götter sind für Arten, die sich selbst verraten -- in den Glauben flüchten um sich hinzurichten. Menschen brauchen Götter um sich zu verletzen, um sich zu vernichten -- das sind wir.
sorry. Never been a big fan of Schadenfreude
"I do this real moron thing, and it's called thinking. And apparently I'm not a very good American because I like to form my own opinions."
— George Carlin
Schadenfreude ist die schönste Freude, denn sie kommt von Herzen.
Götter sind für Arten, die sich selbst verraten -- in den Glauben flüchten um sich hinzurichten. Menschen brauchen Götter um sich zu verletzen, um sich zu vernichten -- das sind wir.
Here is the guy's manifesto:
I recognize 'power process' from the Unabomber's manifesto; it being a bastardization of Nietzsche's 'will to power,' I think. I guess the kid needed inspiration. Do they have crap science education in Finland?
Evolution says nothing about 'God' and 'purpose'. It doesn't invoke one or rule one out.
Or that he was a Social Darwinist.
What in evolution teaches those?
This kid was an insane misanthrope with an extreme ego and paranoid, schizophrenic tendencies.
His manifesto is just meaningless garbage justifying his own irrational angst and ego. His application of social darwinism is based on a complete misunderstanding of evolution, and "humanism" can hardly be blamed for his actions, any more than we would blame whatever idea any crazy person latched onto. His actions were borne from paranoia, a massive ego and pure insanity. That is all I can glean from his manifesto.
Strangely enough, Finland has the number one ranked education system..
http://www.weforum.org/en/media/Latest%20Press%20Releases/GCRpressrelease06
Prudent fiscal policies have enabled governments to invest heavily in education, infrastructure and the maintenance of a broad array of social services. Finland, Denmark and Iceland have the best institutions in the world (ranked 1, 2 and 3, respectively) and, together with Sweden and Norway, hold top ten ranks for health and primary education. Finland, Denmark and Sweden also occupy the top three positions in the higher education and training pillar, where Finland’s top ranking is remarkable for its durability over time.Theist badge qualifier : Gnostic/Philosophical Panentheist
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This is listed as a source for the article:
Anonymous [missionary in Finland], email message to author from a missionary that listed the shooters recent post in detail, November 7, 2007.
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The irony is that he rejected religion only to accept a cartoon caricature of evolution advanced solely by religious knuckleheads. It's a bit like being a literal 'satanist,' having to accept the biblical premise before celebrating its straw-man.