It's because this site... and it's cause SERVE'S NO PURPOSE!! Grow Up!

See, I respect that response. Not all Christians are fundamentalist freakshows.

I don't see anything wrong with my response, and no-one has been able to formulate an argument against it, it's perfectly valid.

We aren't shutting down churches.

I'm completely true to what I believe. I don't push my beliefs on anyone unless they ask. I believe in Christianity because I truly feel that through exhaustive study, I proved its existance to myself. I came to my own conclusions. I believe that most christians act completely on faith alone. Because mom said there is a God... then I believe. I came through a completely different door. I don't judge. I can dissagree, but I don't judge... probably because I was once an athiest. I respect an athiest far more than a "Sunday Christian". At least they are true to what they believe (or don't believe). But to attack Christianity as a whole... is pointless and serves no "rational" purpose. Attack the individual based on his or her behavior... not the ideal.

You can attack people and attack ideals. That being said, this is not an "attack" as in "ad hom." Sometimes it is necessary to attack ideals, in a social sense. Sometimes it is necessary to attack people, when they are making ideas on their own. Religion often connects people and makes them agree. Generally, and as long as you do not generalize, particular persons of a religion do agree, thus attacking there stance is attacking every other stance that comes to the same conclusion through the same means. All in all, I will wait for somebody else to quote snippets from your stance to take it out of context or some other redherring, before I defend you, and in the defense, I will also destroy you.

I would agree with you, but we must move into the political and historical realm to further talk about this. The regular sunday christian has been indoctrinated on an equal level to an islamic suicide bomber, but with (thankfully) less destructive material. However, the bible does support almost the same level of violence and prejudice that islam does, only people like Pat Robertson have the balls to try and do something with that (The aforementioned idiot suggested bombing the US state Dept).

Also, the idea that when you sin, you can confess and be completely forgiven is undoubtedly immortal and dangerous. I know some of you say that you can't repeatedly commit crimes and get away with it, but the majority believe that they can.

I could go on, but people like Brian Fleming and Rook here are more knowledgable

Except I didn't say all christians are stupid, there is such thing as context. I think you are purposely misinterpreting me.

Because apparently you need further explanation.

Nice screenname "RationalChristian," it reminds me of "DumbGenius" "HotColdPerson" or "GayStraightGuy."

We'll "all" blast you? You "know" that?

What is a "TRUE" atheist? And how is it different than the dictionary defines "atheist?"

Here, use this definition from the Oxford English Dictionary:

atheism Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a god.

We "must" be liberal? Oh shit... I'll tell the conservatives of this forum that you say they aren't here. :roll:

What didn't learn spelling in school, so you gotta come here and whine about a bunch of people who are more rational than you? All ad hom volleys aside, what is so wrong with giving someone a movie as a gift? What's wrong with helping people overcome the mythical beliefs that were forced upon them?

So you admit to being close minded, interesting.

We're mocking it. Yeah, it may seem a little childish, but then again you are acting exactly that way in your post, so I suppose it's warranted. We're speaking in your terms, so you "get it"

:twisted:

That's "all" we're doing eh? Seems we did a good job of getting you to come here and look foolish as well... shit that's two things we're doing now! Oh no... you we're wrong!!

Yeah.

Yeah.

No. Point me to where we said it was.

A lot. And we think you're worth it. You're mental freedom is priceless, you're open mind and ability to question everything is important in this one life you get.

Where did anyone say they didn't. I have plenty of hobbies, Brian Flemming does as well. Ending Christianity actually happens to be one of them, how ironic.

Seems as if you are trying to deter us, as you fear we'll actually end this mind disease you've succumb to.

I live with a hot heathen girl, who I get to have hot premarital sex with all the time. Yeah, no guilt as I'm not burdened with a mythical belief that tells me it's wrong. There's also no hypocrisy there, like most of the Christians who say they believe one way yet act another. (ie our Christian President going to war - thou shalt not kill)

Once again, please tell me how the dictionary is wrong:

Use this definition from the Oxford English Dictionary:

atheism Disbelief in, or denial of, the existence of a god.

And once again tell me how the dictionary definion excludes all atheists who have futile websites.

Thanks Mr. Insincere, same to you!

Or maybe it's Vishnu. How do you know? There just isn't any evidence for either.

Many of us who are here are ex-Christians, including Brian Flemming who is an ex fundamentalist. We we're "it." Rook wanted to be a Priest, he "checked into" everything biblical. Turns out with an open mind, those who believe the bible must confess it holds no water.

The cause is for people who want to expose a myth to people who don't realize it's a myth, to help out. If you see something wrong with that, you seriously need to get your morals checked.

You used to run a futile website and hosted a War on Easter too? Or do you mean how you were once an atheist, like EVERY person ever born on this rock we call Earth.

Peace to you to, likewise, have a great day. May it be full of critical and rational thought, as clearly it wasn't in the first half of your day.

I think..in a sense you are right....not ALL xtians are irrational, there are a few that are very rational. However, I will say this. Theoretically, in order to have social change, you have to bring awareness to the people. I think you're missing the point here, by making this a "big" contraversy, perhaps people will stop and think. How many times have you found jesus saves flyers on your car, in your mailbox...this is the same thing. As I get flyers on my property and car, so will they, except with a bonus, some will actually get a movie.

I think you are upset because it is attacking a belief system you have developed. You call us childish, but I think you have to see the bigger picture here. I personally don't care all that much about putting flyers or DVD's in churches etc..so it'll raise a stink...so what..if it's so non-threatning and will only make the resolve of xtians stronger..then..what have you to worry about? Having said that, thank you for coming on here to express your worries. We now know this at least, touching nerves.

i support the war on easter but the vast majority of christians will shrug off the dvd or burn it.
the kids are your best bet, hook'em in while they're young!

Are Christians joking when they do it?

Ever see the "loving" expressions on the faces of anti-abortion protesters? :roll:

Why is abortion so often made an issue of religon.

Done so fallaciously by the religious, and done so ironically hypocritical by the opposition.

I lied.

Well if you think about it, the religious make it a situation only god can resolve, or I should have said, only god can declare right or wrong. Regardless of the situation itself, it is made a situation of religion and should be attacked as a situation of religion.

I would not consider any religious person to be rational - they have a ridiculous belief in a god or gods, when there is no objective proof of their gods existence. If i believed that space aliens were controlling me with radio waves and i had no proof of it - would i be rational? I do not consider any of them rational because their superstitious belief dictates how they live their life in every way, every decision...how is that rational? Of course there are pick and choose christians and moderates that obviously dont consider their religion when making decisions, but these people are also irrational as well because they believe in a god but dont feel it is necessary to follow the god's laws.

Yes, and as for the objective proof comment- if theists had objective proof, they wouldn't be believing, but knowing (ignore skepticism for a moment). There is a reason why it is called believing.

To call it irrational is to imply you have a very deep understanding of their beliefs. To call them irrational would imply that you know them and can predict every choice they will make. I seriously doubt you have this knowledge- and to suggest that since they have one belief about the world (that you don't) makes them irrational, I'd say you are being irrational yourself.

No gravity, that doesn't work. I believe when I type these letters, they will appear on the screen, that is because I have past experiences to validate this. If for some reason a key breaks, I adjust my conclusion and start believing that a particular key wont make the letter appear, again based on observation, reasonable expectation, and logical deduction. Belief in god is an irrational one as there is no proof for it, and it should not be equated with other beliefs that have evidence or proof behind them.

I do have full understanding of those who believe in god. In fact it is because of this, that I don't. They believe in something literally that has absolutly no proof.

I don't need to know what they'll eat for dinner to call them irrational on their theistic position. It however, would be irrational for me to call their food choices irrational if I knew nothing of their food choices.

Again, the reason I don't hold this god belief that they irrationally hold, is because I'm rational not because there is proof for it, that I irrationally reject.

I do not wish to have much of a conversation with you for reasons I would not like to go into right now. But I will reply-

Anyone who isn't a compelte skeptic needs faith. Although I know how much you all enjoy using your own defintions of words in here, let me define faith and let that be at that (if you want to disagree with my definition, that is fine, but if you want to argue I am wrong using a different definition than the one I assign, I simply will not respond). Faith = trust in belief or perceptions. Use reason on reason and you get a causa sui on reason. Essentially, in a postmodernistic sense, we are not the great masters of rationality that we would like to be. Not to argue that theism is rational, but consistency shows that anything other than pure skepticism is irrational as well.

Belief of a god dwindles down to a matter of opinion. You may also have the opinion that someone is irrational. But to be honest, I'd rather not invest so much on mere opinion.

"Stubborn and ardent clinging to one's opinion is the best proof of stupidity" - Montaigne

...that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence

(and let's just leave it at that)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=faith #2

I give up. All you fucking care about it is in being right. This is your shortcoming, fool. I clearly defined faith, and I clearly told you, not to try to use a different definition. But sure enough, here you come, with your second definitions, AND YOU IGNORE THE FIRST! I give up. There is no arguing with you dumbasses.

I cannot waste any more time on you. You drive out any 'rationality' with your collective logic. You drove out "Kevin" with your inabilities to RESPECT other people's opinions. And you've driven me out with your clear and blatant stupidity.l

No you don't, as illustrated in this post.

It's not all I care about, however I rarely take a positive assertive position on something I'm wrong about. I think being "right" is fairly important.

Calling me a fool again? Asshole.

You also said: "if you want to argue I am wrong using a different definition than the one I assign, I simply will not respond"

1. You're a liar.
2. This is my fucking house, and when someone acts like an idiot, they can't weasel out of it by asking people to ignore that idiocy if others don't agree. If you don't like being subjected to differing opinions, leave!

I didn't ignore the first (which was different than yours)

As illustrated by your rebuttal. :roll:

Yeah there is, as illustrated in your post.

Bye. So, we'll never see you again, here? Feel free to not answer that, when you never come back.

I respect Kevins opinion, he has the right to be closed minded and wrong, thats fine with me.

Well you've illustrated in this post that you are a liar, I hope you're not lying in that last statement.

That is hilarious!

So where did IrrationalChristian go?

I highly doubt he was an atheist, if he was, then he must have been a highly uninformed atheist.

Those that claim to have been atheists and are now Christians or other religions were almost always not really atheists. They are just like my friend whom never was really too religious, nor was he experienced in the knowledge required to be an intelligible atheist.

The typical conversion process follows... It quite often comes about either because they marry a religious person or become friends with religious people. They want to fit in or belong? The other common way is often when those people feel they needed to repent for all the rather stupid decisions they have made.

The second notion is the way my friend went. He has been wasting his life away though alcohol, drugs, and laziness while in college, and now he has pretty much screwed his college plans and has moved to Utah now. There he thought he would start over, so he began going to church, and now calls him self a Christian. He is now making more stupid decisions than ever before through spending money he doesn't have and getting fired as well...

He now claims to have converted from atheism to Christianity; however, he was never truly and atheist. He was as the very most a non-practicing Christian.

I didn't see this before ....

*Gives Sapient the evil eye*