:: thought pyrokidd was arguing for god somehow ::

:: isn't allowed to post till he rests ::

~Voiderest

The logic works the same none the less it isn't going to be valid, however you could use it to show how pascal's wager isn't valued to a theist who is having trouble understanding you.

I do recognize that he proposes an atheist wager, but the wager is essentialy defect since it relies on an indefinite amount of possibilities unknown to man. So this defect will still be there with an atheist version.

It's like trying to redescribe the classical theist arguments in atheistic terms. While the difference between a theist and atheist is that the latters relies on rationality which those types of arguments are lacking.

just to clear things up:

I don't know if there was some confusion, but the arguement was stationed from an athiests view. Basically I'm sick of the whole "what if you're wrong" attack from religeons, so I proposed an alternative to show that logic has no solid value, and goes both ways.

And I don't have the right to set any standard for what constitutes a "fufilled" life, and don't care to. If you feel your life has been fufilled, then it has been. Instead of saying making every second count, I should have said making every decision count toward your happiness is important. If this life really is all we have, I think that at least is a standard that should probably be set in everyone's life. And if you find happiness in making others happy, so much the better.

although it's fun.....in my experience using some kind of metaphor to sound ridiculous for the purpose of showing how ridiculous their idea is usually makes a dull whistle as it flies right over their head.(And that damn Juju scares the crap outta me)

We dont need a counter-wager to prove that pascals wager was shit.

First of all, this argument merely leads one to feign belief in God. Even if one reasons that it is a better gamble, one cannot necessarily convince onself that God actually exists based on this wager. If God was indeed the violent, murderous, physcopath as described by the Holy Books, he would see through this feign and cast the gambling theist into hell.

Second of all, there are so many ridiculous human deities to choose from. Any of them can be slotted in place of God. Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, etc. And he/she/it/they probably wont be too happy for people to wager the existence of another God. Check out the recent thread I started called A Question for theists.

Third of all, you can't make up a concept through armchair raciocintation (which is basically how we created him) and then insist that people wager he exist because then you make up another story that this deity you just created is vengeful and will send you to hell.