The Banana Team Answer
Offline As I watched the RR debating the Banana Team (that's what I call them), I saw a woman in the audience asking "What kind of God creates cancer?"
The Banana Team's response was typical: read the Bible. We are living in a FALLEN CREATION.
Yes, a FALLEN CREATION.
However, when the debate started, these two guys showed the audience a painting and said each painting must've a painter.
But if we live in a fallen creation, shouldn't they have shown the audience a "FALLEN" painting? Or better yet, a "messed up" painting. Spots, and dirt, and a flower at the center? Could it be possible that the flower could have happened by chance? If you throw painting at a canvas for a billion years, maybe.
A building is a creation. The ruins of a wrecked building are a fallen creation. The latter may not need a designer.
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Well rpcarnell it only seems like a good painting to our fallen eyes. If we had a chance to look at it closer we would realize that the replica is flawed in many ways.
That or find the name of the company that printed all that shit for them.
I think Team Banana makes them sound too delicious, and not quite as dishonest as they are.
They really just want to stir up the base to sell the DVDs, the books, the board game, Spaceballs the lunchbox, Spaceballs the breakfast cereal, etc..etc..
Make no mistake I'm not making a stand about creating and running profitable businesses, but at the expense of misleading people, messing with peoples' lives, perpetuating a culture of fear (to sell the cure) and bigotry... it's too bad a hell doesn't exist to deposit them in one day.
Well calling them Banana Team isn't such a bad idea.
They chose a banana because it is easy to peel off and eat. It seems made for us.
And it also seems made for apes, which kind of links us in some ways.
The thing is that there are dozens, if not hundreds, of vegetables and fruits that we can eat and aren't so easy to peel off and eat. Why didn't they try a coconut, or a lemon?
They make it clear that theists choose one thing as evidence for God while ignoring the others.
Haha Banana Team. I laughed the first time I saw that video. Have they heard of coevolution. i.e. The Bananas that survived best were ones that fitted most easily into the hands of primates. Human beings are primates.
As for Fallen Creation, there's a very interesting painting in Tate Gallery in Liverpool (shudders at the name of rival city) where the artist poured hot bitumen on the canvas and then rode over it on his bike! Now that's a Fallen painting!
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Pineapple?
Actually, it's mostly just made for us. I'd be more than willing to bet that every banana you've ever eaten was a domesticated one. They are seedless, and sweet. Fact of the matter is, bananas were designed. They were designed by humans.
Wild bananas (the few that actually still exist) don't taste very good, and have large, rock hard seeds in them.
Pigs are also designed.
By humans!
And Shetland Ponies too.
And poodles
Tomatoes
Peppers
Corn
Wheat
Cows
Sheep
err...
Actually a fallen creation would still need a cause to why it broke down, and a designer who made the normal creation before it was a fallen one. This is where your argument fails.
However, the designer is not needed if something always was, Ex. Mattter/Energy.
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Well if Ray is right than if we have a fallen creation we must have a fallen creation creator. Since God is the root of creation than it was God that created the fallen creation, and thusly God that created cancer as a result of a creation he chose to make with full knowledge of it's future.
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If Ray is right I will eat my fallen hat!
A fair premise. Can we conclude anything from this?
"The map appears more real to us than the land." - Lawrence
Either god is a) A dumbass b)a retard c) malevolent or d)doesnt exist
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If one is to assume a "omni" "all" loving "all" powerfull being what kind of manufactur rating should it get? If I work at a pizza place and someon orders a pepperoni pizza and I give them onion and refuse to exchange it or refund their money, what kind of service am I providing?
If I work for Toyota and put out vihicals where 1/3 have no breaks, some missing stering wheels do I blame the buyer?
If God sat in Trump's boardroom and had to explain all the "fallen" product he produces, what do you think Trump would say?
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Ahhhh...But if you work for the government, you would head a section.
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