5 REASONS that GOD EXISTS
Posted on: June 9, 2007 - 9:32pm
5 REASONS that GOD EXISTS
sent to me by my theist friend. im looking forward to responses from my fellow board members.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNocC85MU6w
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Just posted a text response. Same shit as usual. "Reason" #4 was particularly weak.
Reasons:1. god accounts for the universe's physical beginning2. god accounts for the order, coplexity, and design in the universe3. god accounts for the reality of objective ethical values4. god accounts for the enigma of man5. god uniquely accounts for the claims, character, and credentials of Jesus Christ.
Simply replace god with other gods, and poof, no christian god.
Or the other religious texts, lets say hindu is correct and the bible is quoting one of the many gods of the hindu religion, or a demon of one of the other religions etc etc etc etc.....that arguement can go any way you wish, it's a useless arguement.
As for the video, it doesn't provide any real evidence that god exists. everything in the universe was in the singularity, in different forms of course, energy etc etc etc (we won't really know yet, what was or how things where in the singularity, however there are hypothesis of it) It also creates a question, who created god, if the universe needs a creator, then who created the creator. Answering god always existed isn't an answer, energy always existed (as per scientific findings) and quantum mechanics is showing that a god isn't necessary to start things. So far the video shows more lack of understanding of science than anything else.
I'm waiting for a new Aquinas to come along. Now that would be interesting. These arguments are as fresh as a brick of tofu that's been sitting behind a radiator for two weeks.
Those aren't "reasons"; they're assertions with zero proof.
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How can those 5 statements be proof when it uses what its trying to prove true in it's proofs.
That's like me trying to proove to you all that i have an bmw in my room by saying that my bmw told me it was in my room so therefor it must be in my room.
By the way if you really think i have a bmw in my room based on the "proof" i just gave you then don't even bother responding to my reply
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I'll stick with my God (who ironically doesn't fit into ANY of your five reasons), but thanks anyways.
I stopped after supposed "proof" number one.
The universe did not "coming from nothing".
What a crappy way to start off a supposed set of proofs. Sad.
wow, no well thought out answers adressing the specific claims. im a little disappointed
I thought mine was pretty nifty.
One of the rules in geometry is when your trying to prove a theory then you cant use the theory your trying to prove in your proof.
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Oh ha ha man i feel very slow.
Are you stating reasons why he exist or evidence that he exist.
If you are stating reasons then if you honestly think he exist to do all those things then thats great for you and i dont feel like arguing about it right now(Im already arguing with someone else right now over something that isn't even worth the time of day.
By the way i didn't fully read the 5 reasons, i just skimmed over them.
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What? Who do you believe in? Yahweh? I kinda wonder how can people still believe in gods, although their gods are meant to be absolute. Like why do people twist and turn gods to fit their own world view, because if gods exist, they should be absolute. Not relatively different to each person.
Trust and believe in no god, but trust and believe in yourself.
Larty, a little bit of me came back to life after reading that post.
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Do something beneficial and you're brain rewards you, with some nice chemicals which makes you feel good. eat reproduce and get rewarded. ( or you can bypass the doing something beneficial and just buy some drugs instead. ecstasy is available from all bad street corners in the red light district ) getting chemically rewarded for eating procreation ect ect. will inspire you to seek these things out to get more chemical rewards.not getting chemically rewarded for doing things would make you less inspired to do them. Natural selection has rewarded the individuals that have evolved the chemical reward system. Those that didn't evolve the system ain't around to tell us about it
Close physical contact with another animal from the same species releases chemicals which makes you feel good docile, If it didn't and you're a social animal relying upon group protection.natural selection would kill you off
If an animal from the same species took a bite out of you. this would release chemicals which would make you feel bad pain. If it didn't you just get eaten natural selection has killed you off
This also works with animals from other species. pet a cat and you feel good. cat bites you yada yada. Of course this works vice versa as well the cat wouldn't be too happy if you took a bite out of it. but it's extremely happy if you tickle it behind its ears
So you have two chemicals in yar head ( there are more but let's keep it simple for the mo ) docile/pain or good/bad
When in a social group
You can benefit from interactions within the social group. you pick fleas off your neighbor. your neighbor has less fleas and is a healthyer individual because of it and it has a greater chance of survival. If everybody in the group picks fleas off each other then the group as a whole benefits. Close physical contact releases chemicals which make you feel good. So you feel good and the group benefits and vice versa
Thus morality or you pick fleas off my back. and I'll pick fleas of yours
And it is based on the understanding of mutually beneficial behavior in any social group of animals. good or bad are simple chemical reactions.
Morality is the natural course of the brains evolution in a social group
Same old theistic bullshit.
I stoped after it first said "The Atheist, and the Christian!" trying to assert that Christians are right, if god exists, and no way could there be another world view on god. If it was "The Atheist, and the Theist." I would of watched it.
"When I die I shall be content to vanish into nothingness.... No show, however good, could conceivably be good forever.... I do not believe in immortality, and have no desire for it." ~H.L. Mencken
Thank god i'm a atheist!