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Creating universes
Posted on: June 20, 2007 - 2:10pm
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Creating universes
Speculation ahead - warning.
So suppose humans bring the understanding of quantum mechanics to the point where we know how to manipulate the vacuum to initiate big bangs. Given our history of making new toys, I consider it likely that we would actually do this.
No?
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According to the Copenhagen interpretation, we all create new universes before we have breakfast.
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Too bizarre for my blood. I had forgotten about that little wrinkle.
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I think the inherent problem with this is that you need an immense amount of matter for a big bang. I don't think there would be any way regardless of knowledge of quantum mechanincs to create a big bang without a crapload of initial matter and energy.
REDUCTIO AD ABSURDUM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
That would be the Everett interpretation.
I think wavefreak is referring to something slightly different to quantum many worlds decoherence. In that interpretation, we have multiple carbon copies of the same universe, which are differered only by single quantum events, branch points in time in effect.
I am always careful to distinguish between Multiverse (a cosmology theory) and parallel universe (QM interpretation). Wavefreak is referring to the former.
In theory, wavefreak, it is possible to create a new universe. All it requires is an unbelieve compression of energy. To initiate the spontaneous breaking in vacuum, we would need to place two metal plates 10^-35 cm away from each other, or on the order of the Planck Length, the generate the casimir effect. This is beyond today's technology. Also, the energy levels required for this are only possible for utilization by a civilization which is Type II on the Kardavesh scale. Humans are predicted to reach this by about 2600.
"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.
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What you said.
Cool. We can create universes
So then the question is, 600 years from now, will it be ethical to do so?
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Ethical? I don't understand. According to Multiverse theory, our universe is one of a vast number of universes, which, like soap bubbles jostling each other, are bridged via wormholes and make up the multiverse.
I don't see why it would be "unethical". In science, ethics usually only meets biology and genetics, only rarely physics.
Also, according to the iron laws of thermodynamics, our universe is dying (winding down, cooling, running out of free energy). Eventually, we'll need a few home (in a few trillion years), so why not start today?
"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.
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I suppose if we knew the consequences of our creative act then no problem. But would we have ethical obligations to any life that evolved in our new universe?
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Unless our universe factory is powered by dead babies, I'm not sure how this would be unethical.
"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." -- former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien
Oh.......
*starts the universe factory blueprints from scratch again*
Well, if they're already dead...no reason not to put them to good use..........
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George Bush vetoed the legislation that funded dead baby universe research. He restricted the research to only babies that are currently dead. No new dead babies will be allowed in federally funded programs.
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So he legislated something that was already the practice. It was my understanding that all stem cell research was done using abandoned frozen embryos.
"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." -- former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien
Hahahahahahaha!
"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." -- former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien
You're expecting the Bush administration to be consistent?
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Don't the mormons claim you become the god of your own universe after you die?
Guess joseph smith had it right all along.
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