how do ex-theists cope with death, killing, and the evil in this world?

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how do ex-theists cope with death, killing, and the evil in this world?

im not sure how to explain this more, but i was talking to my friend and he says that so long as there are things out of peoples control and understanding they emotionally would need a god to provide comfort and hope to help them get through it. can someone elaborate more on that point of view and explain how newly ex-christians can feel satisfied in their thinking and emotionally when those kindof things happen....


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They should feel comforted

They should feel comforted actually....

Comforted by the fact that when bad things happens it isn't because 'god' doesn't care, or that he is being deceitful and testing them. Rather, when bad things happen it is a circumstance of life, something which everyone is subject.


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First, many of us are happy

First, many of us are happy to leave things we do not have an answer for or completely understand in our mental stack of things "we cannot understand." 

 Also, the concept that there IS a god and this god sits back and does nothing in the face of global disasters, famine, war, senseless violence, etc. to me would seem to give me more emotional dissonance than just realizing that there's no action because there isn't anything up there controlling the world.

We can also reasonably study what it is we generally refer to as evil.  If the mental state of not killing people is what we've generally known as normal, then we might be able to locate neurological traits in people that would cause this behavior.   (or social manufacturing of such behavior in the way that, say, a religion might)

Also, if this is also about the "where do we go when we die" question, or if this concept of heaven or people looking down us from heaven.  These ideas could cause us to feel better, but it doesn't exactly mean they possess any truth.   Just as Sam Harris muses he may feel better if he believes he has a giant diamond buried behind his house, it doesn't mean he'd actually find it.

 Personally, I find that once the concept of heaven is stripped away, and you learn that you're fortunate to even exist.. I find I'm more motivated to give my life meaning and enjoy what time I have.

 

 


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Right, theists are always

Right, theists are always stressing about, "why would god do this to me!?!? Why does god let this happen!?!?"

 It's fare more reasurring to realize that there is not cosmic string puller allowing all these things to happen, and that what happens to us could happen to anyone.


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I'm not an ex-theist (I've

I'm not an ex-theist (I've always been atheist) but there is no "cope". What I mean is that I've never had a fear for it, nor have I ever felt a need to cope with it. I just accept the fact that I don't know EXACTLY what it's like when I die and move on.

Killing and 'evil' are just natural occurences that all depend on which side of the table you are on. To a cow, we are killing his fellow cows for food. And to us we are killing some cows for food.

Murder? That's a little different, but I think you'll see that most murder deals with a risk/reward factor. 


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 A few quotable quotes

 A few quotable quotes from xamination:

People live, people die.  It's a part of existence.  Thinking otherwise is foolishness.

 Evil is not a thing or an action, it is the feelings in people's hearts.

 

 Put them in your sig now!!!

I hope that when the world comes to an end I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to.


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Bad things happen... because

Bad things happen... because they do.  That's just what happens.  That's just life.  I've never believed in a god so it just seems so simply obvious to me, I suppose.  Of course we can't have control over everything.  Frankly, I wouldn't want to.

If god takes life he's an indian giver


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When I can no longer take

When I can no longer take the all death, killing, and evil in this world, I go and make some more of my own. Naturally, that just makes more death, killing, and evil in this world, but at least I can take pride in knowing that at least I contributed.

Götter sind für Arten, die sich selbst verraten -- in den Glauben flüchten um sich hinzurichten. Menschen brauchen Götter um sich zu verletzen, um sich zu vernichten -- das sind wir.


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For me losing god was

For me losing god was empowering. I no longer expected myself to sit back and 'take it'. I was no longer fighting god if I refused to let bad things happen around me. I was suddenly free to act to improve my evirons and the lives of those around me. The concern about fitting into a plan and the idea that any suffering was part of that fell by the wayside. I can honestly say I feel more security and comfort from the ability to act in my own defense and in the defense of others than I ever felt 'in gods care'.


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Death and killing exist

Death and killing exist regardless of belief.  The stages dealing with the loss are the same in the end.  So, an individual must decide the preferred result.  Is "God really got me out of that jam" preferable to "I got out of that jam by the force of my own will"? 

I would say not.  For Christians, God checks in now and again but doesn't seem to be a steady companion.  I say that regardless of that damn "Footprints" poem hanging in all of our greataunts' houses.  On the other hand, once I know that I can see myself through a trying experience, I am empowered.

We don't need to have an greater reason for why one person murders another.  Humans evolved on the African plain.  It is a nasty environment.  I have been on two safaris there, and believe me, every animal there is more than happy to kill a human. 

So, we are a species that grew up on the mean streets of Africa.  I am not surprised then that we tend to be a little bloody minded. 

"Tis better to rule in Hell than to serve in Heaven." -Lucifer


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ninja artist wrote: im not

ninja artist wrote:

im not sure how to explain this more, but i was talking to my friend and he says that so long as there are things out of peoples control and understanding they emotionally would need a god to provide comfort and hope to help them get through it. can someone elaborate more on that point of view and explain how newly ex-christians can feel satisfied in their thinking and emotionally when those kindof things happen....

 

tell yourself this:

 I don't know and it's ok that I don't know. 

 

and if you ARE interested in knowing, research...read...there ARE actually a lot of answers out there that don't rely on holy books, superstition, myth, etc....  Granted it takes a lot more effort to learn the facts than to simply adopt a superstition...but i believe it's much more rewarding. 

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