Things in the states that are virtuous but nonsensical to say the least

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Things in the states that are virtuous but nonsensical to say the least

I was conversing with my mother today and she told me that faith is virtuious. I don't see why belief in things without evidence for those things is virtuious. Can someone help me understand? Theist or atheist does not matter which. Thanks

 

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[edit] Decided to change the name of thread.


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It maintains a delusion that

It maintains a delusion that society has consider important for some time.


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but when showed for the

but when showed for the delusion that it is why do people say its not? When asked about why its ok to lie to kids about santa they say that its ok becuase it was in a spirit of fun? Do they not see the resentment they are causing? Didn't they go through the same resentment and depression when they found out?


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The idea that faith is a

The idea that faith is a virtue was created by people of faith because they have no other way to defend it.
If put to the test the God hypothesis fails, so to keep it from testing they invent faith, which is a process of beliving without evidence. Of couse this should have been ridiculed, but unfortunatly this happened at a time when the church had a colossal amount of power. So it became illegal to not have faith! But over the years as science and rational thought has grown, it has become legal to not belive. But when they lost the power of law they turned to the power of respect, and ideas like "faith is a virue". But it is far past the time when belief in invisible men in the sky is worthy of respect, faith has become a sheild to protect ignorance from science, and even to impose ignorance on science! I think its time that people stand up and say "Your faith is not a virtue, your religion does not deserve respect! Stop indoctrinating your children with these fairytales and teach them about REALITY!!"

Hmmmm this turned into a bit of an off topic rant... Oh well!Tongue out

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I thought that was a on

I thought that was a on topic rant. i totally agree that faith should not be a virture at all. Its delusional nonsense, and should be frowned upon at all corners of societ. Any theists who read this, yes faith is delusional if you think its not you are being dishonest to your self. Also in this conversation i asked about if its ok to lie to children about things such as santa. I was told that it was because it was done in the spirit of fun. To think that its ok to lie to children because it causes them fun, is to me disturbing to say the least. How is lieing to children at all ok? All it does is cause resentment and depression by the child once the child finds out it is a lie. /end rant

I think i'm going to change the name of this thread. I'd also like to talk about the idea that you should be talking when you are around other people. This irratates me so much.


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zntneo wrote: but when

zntneo wrote:
but when showed for the delusion that it is why do people say its not?

They don't want to admit that they have been deluded and the people who gain power from their religious beliefs do not want the people to realize that they have been duped. The second is not as important as it once was, but it is still has importance.

"What right have you to condemn a murderer if you assume him necessary to "God's plan"? What logic can command the return of stolen property, or the branding of a thief, if the Almighty decreed it?"
-- The Economic Tendency of Freethought