is it me, or is L.mcbryer completely irrelevent?

(just wondering ...)

Popularity is not credibility. Every religion has spent time as a minority. Most of them stay there. The fact that some don't is irrelevant to their veracity. Quit dodging.

As far as that goes yes. Every religion is a religion. They believe in a god/gods just like you do. Christianity believes in magical prayer, Wiccans believe in a more direct magic. There's no difference at all.

So what? They're still a religion. No religion copies another completely. Every religion has things that no other deals with.

You're the one who tried to seperate Wicca from the other religions I mentioned, when there is no basis from which to seperate them. They are all equally false.

No religion has answered fundamental questions. Wicca is hardly alone.

You said it isn't comparable, and it is.

This is the problem with your response. You assume infinity has a specific numerical value, it doesn't. It never has. It never will. It's definition doesn't allow it. It is a descriptive of an unending path. Unending paths exist, which I have proven again and again and again. Which means the descriptive is accurate and exists. You're making quite the fool of yourself by continuing to show your ignorance. Give it up. You're wrong. It's like you're trying to argue that the earth is flat. It's pathetic.

How amusingly biased. Lets add something to show how close minded YOU are.

4: Do you allow for the possibility of a god not to exist?
L.mcbryar: no

While I answer yes to all 4.

ok, here is the deal on infinity. the definition of infinity is a continuation in numaric value with representation of every number. the idea of giving a constant zero only shows that there is an finality to all numbers and ideas. Infinity represents all numbers which is a mathematical problem. Therefore the idea of infinity is falice. look into the idea yourself.

Sapient. if it really matters that i said the earth, then here, apply all of that post to matter instead. Hope that clears up any confusion there. ill be more specific in my responses on things like that.

and ophios, what do you maen its contridicting? im just proving that there will always be a definite number. adding zeros just means there is a definative response to a lack of infinity.

False statement based in ignorance. Take your own advice and look into the idea yourself, for once.

Quick question...how many numbers are there altogether?

Funny, because my calculus professor agrees with me.  As does the rest of the faculty of applied mathematics(I have not asked each professor, but many, and also read texts written by previous staff).

 I've asked you a simple question;  If infinity does not exist, then how many combinations of the digits 0 through 9 are there?

So much to answer, so little time. I'll skim over some things I want to put a bit into here-so much has been said already.

If the concept of infinity is false, you have completely destroyed your theory of a deity.

I'm not necessarily inclined to believe that "matter has always been here," but I think it's one of the best currently postulated theories. To our understanding, matter can not be created or destroyed. That's basic science-we all know that, and there is no reason yet brought forth as to why we should not accept this completely. So, tell me then why it's so difficult to think of matter always being here?

Ah, we also have the concept that, to our knowledge, all things have a beginning and an end-and we also assume that the universe started somewhere. Science doesn't have all the answers yet, but I am inclined to believe that it eventually will. Not in my lifetime, or my grandchildren's granchildren's lifetimes, but eventually-barring us destroying ourselves first (which may well happen).

I don't need to point out how fallacious your argument, which anti-evolutionists of all ages seem to be in love with, of "if we came from apes, why are there still apes?"

We did not come from THESE apes. We came from many species besides those of the ape variety, the apes were a product of natural selection, coming from other ape-like species further back in the line and on and on until they go back to not being mammals and further, all the way back to single-celled organisms, and perhaps even further, who knows?

Science does not and never has claimed to have all the answers-that's what religion does. Science grows, changes and progresses while religion seeks to stay the same. It's a cop out.

You talk about infinity being false and all these other things for all these reasons that you think are so well thought out, yet you believe in the greatest and least supported theory in human history? Even if evolution and all other manner of theories that explain how we got to where we are today were difficult to understand, which they shouldn't be, and were unlikely and un-supported, which they are not, they wouldn't begin to hold a candle to what you're claiming. This is elementary, of course, but I felt I should come to it.

And, in case it actually needs mentioning, all life is continueing to evolve.

I wanted to say more but the points have been made, and I don't want to repeat others poorly. You claim to want to learn but from what I've read, you're pretty much set in your beliefs and never intended to budge on them no matter what when you made this thread. Read some books-evolution is not difficult to understand, and neither is the concept of infinity.

I will post more when or if I have more to work with. Hope this wasn't too abrasive or deviating.

I do not believe in evolution.

I do not believe in God.

Evolution is logical. But it is not universal. It seems to make sense, we may very well have evolved from apes. But that does not explain the origin of apes. And many other creatures. Have you ever looked at a bird fly? Such beautiful creatures are not made by chance. A land born animal's cells cannot adapt to weave through wind and push the boundaries of physics. Somehow, Birds were made whole. Perhaps over millions of years, they have evolved. But a lizard nor rodent can think so intelligently as to yearn for the skies, let alone its cells.

But, as from what I have seen. Atheists are generally as blind as Theists. Atheists believe themselves to be right and never accept any other suggestions. The theory of Evolution is unproven in its entirety, exactly the same as Theism. The universe is infinite. Does this not also mean infinite possibilities? Just because we humans have naught but left the womb of creation does this mean that no others see the light of dawn? I tell you this: Far beyond our stars, there could be thousands of races and forces capable of things greater than our imagination. Masters of creation and world building could abound in the mists of space.

Yet those who belong to Religions that speak of alien encounters are scoffed at and thought insane. These people perhaps have more substantiability to their claims as any whom belong to a faith.

I myself, am not long for this world, and many mysteries evade my perception. But I will know, in time, and thus I do not satisfy my hunger for knowledge by filling in the blanks.

If there were to be one thing that I believe it is worth having faith in?

Love. Pretty Women. Music, Art and Celebration.

Is everybody in?

I cannot concur. There is proof of evolution. It is very hard, solid proof, but it is not conclusional. For one, everything that Evolution is about has been created by man. It is not a story, but still involves a lot of guess work. It is plausible, but not absolute. It involves Faith.

Therefore, it should not be considered true nor false. It has to be believed. It is not fact, but it is of a factual faith - as opposed to a fictional faith.

Must you butcher and twist my words without concept of respect? 

Mocking me does little to demean my words other than reveal your manipulative nature.

Can others not read what I write and make their own judgements.?

I do not believe in God.

I am not an Atheist.

I am not any word or label you can produce.

There's a very good chance your "rational" minds will attempt to decipher whatever I say and come up with YOUR own conclusions.

Rational thought is a product of complacence.

There are many things too vast to cram in your little boxes.

Open your minds.

Wake up.

So you believe in any god or gods? 

So you are nothing? 

You are right!

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No where to run to baby...

... No where to hide 

BLACK!

POT!

KETTLE! 

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 *Sits and drools*

PLEASE REMEMBER THIS IS THE KILL 'EM WITH KINDNESS THREAD.

You are free to disagree and discuss, but on this thread you are not free to sling personal insults. 

I never once did. But you've proved I am certainly more so than yourself. Thanks.

You deny yourselves further conference through both spiteful ignorance and malicious contempt.  "Empty minds are easily filled with faith"

but  "Knowledge without feeling spawns arrogance and disrespect"  Unfortunately, the world is filled with these two degrees of hate, with both of you, forming the latter completely.  Thank you for another display of human weakness to power.  ---  Feel free in your attempts do destroy all credibility of this post in your ensuing replies.  I am sure they will define your pathetic existence beautifully.  Fare well

For me, there are several problems with arguments denying evolution. Primarily, I think there's a problem with terminology. Personally, I have been to the Galapagos Islands. I have studied how animals adapt to their environments. Anyone who has seen a cormorant in the States, with fully functional wings, swimming, diving, flying, and standing with their wings spread out to dry ... and then sees the flightless cormorant in the Galapagos Islands, can't deny the evidence in front of them. These birds are virtually identical, except that there are no natural predators in the Galapagos Islands. Cormorants feed on fish. The cormorants in the Galapagos Islands didn't have to fly to escape predation, and over the years they lost the ability. Their wings are tiny, pitifully feathered, and will not lift their weight. But they still flap them. They still hold them up in the sunshine to dry them out after they swim.

Anyway. This part of evolution ... that animals do change, do evolve, is very well proven. I could write all night and not finish with the examples I've seen with my own eyes. Christians who deny that animals change over time, adapting to their surroundings, I think are in a state of denial about reality.

As for how the universe began, and how human beings came to be ... we all have our favorite theories. But I don't think science or humanity have gotten far enough to have all the answers yet. Most rational people will admit this if they think about it. So if a Christian starts arguing with me about evolution I have to ask. Are you asking me about the proven fact that animals evolve? Or are you asking about how everything was created? And to that second question, I would propose that all of us are theorizing. And today's best theory may be disproven tomorrow.

Think about how recently people KNEW that the world was flat.

Peace.

Simple. A finite formula, that uses the concept of iteration, can provide you with a means for generating an infinite array.

They will affirm what I just said.

Can you even cite one mathematican who denies that we can write a formula representing an infinite array?

Let me tack on a bit on that whole infinity discusion.  Family guy brought up adding numbers after a decimal place, but I feel that the choice to use 0 is a bad example.  1.00 and 1.000000 are not of different values so it really doesn't represent anything other than the fact that an infinite number of zeros after the decimal place doesn't change the value of the number.  However, I posulate that there are an infinite number of values between 1 and 2.

Where's my proof?

1.9 -> 1.99 -> 1.999 -> 1.9999

I can keep going and each nine tacked to the end will not only create a unique numeric value, but will also never equal 2, on into infinite numbers of 9's.

There's a practical mathematical infinity as asked for, l.mcbryar.