Idea for raising money for RRS "Sexy women of Atheism calendar"
Offline I think this would be a great Idea for RRS to pursue to raise some money. I think it could feature Kelly along with Cluelessforchrist(http://youtube.com/watch?v=ky0XHyUzESU) And any other Atheist females that would be willing to do something like this. * I am sure we could find 9 more girls maybe some of the girls posted in the images section. They wouldn't have to be naked or anything it could be very tastefully done, perhaps holding an RRS sign or doing something Atheist in nature. I don't know. But I know we have the resources to organize something like this. I don't think it would be that hard to do. I mean I constantly see on an almost daily basis, people in the Stickam chats talking about Kelly and how hot she is, well lets use that to an advantage. We all know sex sells. It would not only be unique but it would also be the first of it's kind. (To my knowledge)
And before anyone jumps all over me for the exploitation of women, let me first start off by saying it would be 100 percent consentual. And if the ladies of RRS want equality I would be happy to donate my services for a Guys of Atheism Calendar. Although after my friend died in a freak Gasoline fight accident I promised I would never model again, but I can come out of retirement for something like this. So what do you guys think?
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I had this idea the other day, but I figured someone must have brought it up already so I didn't say anything. I think it would sell.
I don't think I'd do a Guys of Atheism calendar, though. Not because I'm uncomfortable with the idea, but I don't think anyone would pay to see my pale, scrawny body. Shit... It's hard enough getting people to look at it for free...
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Actually, this issue has come up before and there are some problems with it. There is no way to verify that the people providing pictures are over 18 and it is unlikely the RRS wants a lawsuit filed tying them to potential 'child pornography' regardless of how 'soft' it is. Sorry.
This is a good idea. The Skepchicks did a Skepchick and a Skepguy calendar. James Randi was in the male calendar. They charged $20 for each copy but I don't know how much production costs would be.
We have a list of 30 girls we've accumulated over the year. It's simply a matter of Kelly taking the bull by the horns and running the project. It seems like we're always busy with something else. There is a lot of organization involved there to make a good calender. If I make one, it's got to be good. I don't think we'll end up having one for 2007.
We've even been saving important dates in RRS history and freethought history to include in the calender, when finally ready.
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Sure you could. You could verify a credit card or you could have them send in a photocopy of their passport or driver's license. It is definitely possible.
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We could have multiple images/page.
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Yes, I'd like a men's version, please.
Tasteful is good. I've really slobbered all over pics of some of you guys. Personally, I find intellect and thoughtfulness extremely sexy and that can show up in photos.
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Is that the conclusion that was reached? Too bad.
I suppose someone could take responsibility and get verification in writing, but again, someone would have to step forward.
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I think you really only need to verify age if it is actual pornography, correct? And unless it's a porno calendar, do you really need to worry about it?
If people paid to see Randi on a calendar like that, then I suppose I could be in it. If it's a porno calendar, I'll definitely be in it. The rest of my body may not be in the greatest shape, but I'm proud of my genitalia. Shit... I'll make a separate calendar of pictures of my penis and scrotum. I really think it would be funny to see my junk with a Santa hat for December. No takers? Aw...
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Here's another idea: the city I live in publishes calendars on a yearly basis with superman style cartoon comic depictions of elected officials and key personnel that the city couldn't function without (IE the mayor and water supply specialist, etc.) And in comic book style on the side it talks about them and how they "save the day." You could do representations of key RRS figures. I'll try to post some pictures of the calendar this evening. I know there are at least a couple of artists on this site that could draw such a thing. It could possibly be done in photoshop.
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Hmm...yes, I suppose it is verifiable. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of someone's parent filing a suit over their child's picture being published. Whether or not the age is verifiable, if the media got a hold of the story it could turn ugly. I've seen parents file suit for much less. Even if the suit is bogus and gets thrown out, the media usually isn't too concerned about reporting that side of it and the damage would be done. Sorry, as a mom I tend to think worst case scenario with these types of things.
Yes, Iruka, that is pretty much why the idea got scrapped. (sigh) We do have some fine looking members here, don't we? I personally don't have the technology to verify that type of thing but most of the pics are still in that thread if anyone want to use them.
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I think a photocopy of an ID and a birth certificate would work ok. We would also probably sign a consent form.
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I said I'd post these so I will.
I think an RRS calendar in this style would look really good. What about you guys?
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I'd be happy to be in a calendar if you guys wanted me. Here's a link to a more recent pic http://www.hotornot.com/r/?eid=RRBMRMG&key=SEJ
after i work off a back injury i'd model for a guy one.
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Well, I'll be damned. Who knew there were real people behind hotornot?!
As for the potential lawsuit thing, I think if we're talking about tasteful non-nudes (In other words, Victoria's Secret, only attractive) I can't think of any reason why someone could sue.
If we're talking about Playboy style, with potential naughty bits, I can see the possibility of catching some flack over it, but not a lawsuit. If they're old enough to sign the release, and old enough to show their naughty bits for a camera, they're too old for their parents to sue.
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Hmm, I didn't get my memo.
I'm just kidding, I can't be in it anyway, even if I did get a memo. I just don't want someone to say to me that I objectified myself even if I or any of us don't look at it that way. I know how the other atheist girls feel about that but whether they care or not, that is exactly what's going to happen. I am torn on the issue. Everywhere you look you see some "hot" girl that "represents" like in rap videos, for instance. Do we really need to be like that? I would much prefer a "People of Atheism" calendar that features random everyday people with maybe a little bio or quote from them. If I really have to, I can jill off to porn, I don't really need a (male or female) calendar to do it for me. Please don't get pissed at me, I am looking for a reason not to be torn on the issue, so if you can do that, please do.
Martha: that's exactly what I was saying earlier in the thread. I even posted pictures as an example. I really do think the females calendar is a good idea but an "RRS core members" or "celebrity atheist" calendar would attract a lot less negativism (is that a word?) Maybe both the females calendar and the RRS core members calendar can be printed. I just think the females calendar would attract a lot of bad attention from the fundies.
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Thanks for that. I like your idea, too.
I'd order the female calendar. I could even make it as a PDF document if the RRS would like - I have a calendar maker with Print Shop. I would also send a pic for the male one if interested.
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Thanks for the compliments guys!
Martha, I can understand your objection. However it's just a fact that people like to look at pretty things/people and are willing to pay for it. There would be nothing wrong with a tastefully done calendar showing that there are in fact many attractive female atheists. We are sadly even more of a minority than atheist males.
I really like the idea of a short bio though. I think that showing a real person's thoughts/ feelings/lifestyle could help combat that 'morally lacking' mentality. I guess I just dont see why representing your beliefs as an attractive female should be any different that representing them as a 'man on the street' type. After all I quite often find myself walking the same streets as everyone else........
Yeah, but who decides who is hot enough? I just find it to be somewhat superficial. I think I'm hot but probably not hot enough. I'm just an average evolved monkey.
Young women should be careful involving themselves in these sorts of on-line activities. I believe you ladies have every right to do whatever you want to do. Please, do be careful though. The internet is riddled with predators. Their "Aqualung" presence should be in your mind when making these decisions.
Boy, between this and the on-line ad conversation, I look like a real prude. That's really funny because I am really quite the opposite.
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I can see your point there and personally I don't know or care who decides. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. (way overused but it's early) I would hope that it wouldn't be a bunch of perky breasted, blond porn star types, but if that was what sold then why not take the money and further the cause?
For the record I refuse to be falsely modest. I don't think I'm anything terribly special in the looks department but I also don't think I'm hard on the eyes. I don't want to seem concieted but I'm not gonna lie either.
I third that excellent idea. Women with opinions and smarts! Sorely lacking these days when women still feel they need to dumb themselves down in order to be attractive. I can't stand that. Smart is attractive in my book.
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I wouldn't buy a calendar that objectifies the women of the community. Call it what you want but eye candy is objectification. I have a GF and I can jerk off to porn. I don't need tits on my atheist gear. I think it would cost more money to produce the calendar than it would make and it would a complete waste of time. I also wouldn't buy a calendar generated by a group of people who idolize the mind above all else and then exclude members of the community because of their physical appearance.
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Do you know how many porn stars are atheist? Porn stars aren't eye candy and aren't objectification? But if a couple of open minded women and men who just so happen to be Atheists wanted to do something like this you would be against it? That doesn't make any sense. So the smarter a person is the less sexuality they should have? I think you should refer to a previous show these guys did a couple weeks ago also check in the images section, Brian and Kelly both talk a a girl with the same mentality about female objectification.
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I still vote for 2 calendars. 1 "attractive atheists" calendar for those who want that and 1 "atheist heroes" or "RRS heroes" calendar for those that want to put something up on the wall at their office or in plain view at their house. Either way you please just about everyone.
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Well, I can't say that I know. However, I am sure Goober would agree with you.
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No. I don't think you do, either.
That looks like a statement with a question mark on the end. If that's a question then my answer is, "Yes, they are."
That also looks like a statement with a question mark on the end of it. Either way, that’s a Strawman.
Then why did you say that?
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Do you? That's good to hear. I don't see how referring to RRS shows do anything. Do you share the same exact views as everyone else? Why don't you actually make a point here instead of pointing me to an RRS show that I've most certainly listened to? Stop being a sheep and create opinions for yourself instead of regurgitating podcasts.
Why would you bring up porn stars as if their person beliefs have any bearing on my opinion about business? I thought this was the Rational Response Squad forum. Not Wet Entertainment Inc.
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I don't really have a problem with the calendar because it may or may not objectify women, but it seems to take away from the issues at hand. Atheism doesn't need to be promoted through sexuality per se, but rather from a logical and intellectual standpoint. That Kelly woman in the video doesn't seem like a great spokesperson for atheists in this country.
I predict Kelly would say:
"Who the hell said I was a spokesperson?"
We're not a belief system. We're not a religion. We're all independent. We're all different. The only thing we share is a lack of belief, and a lack of something can hardly be said to be a common thing we share.
I mean, none of us have dorsal fins either. Who is going to be the spokesperson for all of us people who don't have dorsal fins?
Atheism has proponents, yes. But I don't think any prominent atheist wants to be seen as speaking for all atheists. They can't, really.
About the calendar:
It's a funny idea, but I don't see it serving any real good as far as encouraging atheism.
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The line I just quoted is just the start of the madness.
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I have to disagree slightly on this point. By definition, a commonality is something you share with someone else. Negative commonalities (something we're both not) are just way more common than positive ones, so they're not as useful as discriminators.
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Oh, and if it's her intelligence you question, then try having a debate with her sometime. Making the RRS look sexy is only 2% of her mad skills.
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I'll concede you that point.
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Actually yes I do know Atheist porn stars, I went to Highschool with Vanessa Lane(www.vanessalane.com) She is an Atheist, And in conversation with her she stated that almost every porn star she knows claims to be an Atheist. Which doesn't seem very unlikely to me. Asia Carrera is also an Atheist.
I wasn't trying to argue with you I just didn't see how have a calendar would objectify the women or men of RRS if it was their choice. And secondly I just thought it was weird that you would endorse porn but not a calendar.
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In otherwords, no you don't know how many Porn Stars are atheists. I don't think anyone has that number in their head.
Because porn is porn and an organization that promotes equality between people that would exclude it's own members because they're not "hot enough" is hypocritical.
You presented this concept to the public and the public expressed their replies. I stated it wouldn't be a good use of time and money. I also stated why and all you could do was attempt to rashly explain my point by strawmanning my clear and concise opinions. I was around when this idea came out months ago. It WAS a good idea until people started being excluded because of their imperfections. Even people I would have loved to see on an Atheism calendar were excluded. This is why I do not 'endorse' this calendar concept.
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I missed the exclusion part. But I guess considering that a calendar only holds 12 spots there would be exclusion. Makes sense
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It does not make sense to exclude members of the atheist community from a calendar because they may not fit standard model appearances you'd find in Cosmo and blame our standard twelve-month calendar. That's the biggest load of crap I've seen on these forums.
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Still who said anything about exclusion? People get excluded from many different things. According to Brian 30 girls are willing to do it, Obviously when you sign up to do something like that you are taking on the risk of not getting picked. To me when you volunteer yourself for something like this, you are taking a risk of not getting picked. It comes with the territory.
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Are you too blinded by the prospect of almost nude "sexy atheist women" to not understand what raymanbrint is saying? This calendar excludes anyone not "hot enough" to be in it. It is in quotes because I heard it said about a girl. So please control your hormones for a second and wrap your head around what is being said. Simply that a calendar with ONLY "sexy women" is not a fair representation of the atheist community and esp. not the RRS one. If this calendar is made, it will just conform to what society thinks about sex selling. I thought this community was about thinking for yourself and not conforming.
Sex does sell, and I have no problem objectifying women for a good cause.
If it's excluding people we're worried about, I say let any woman who wants to be in the calendar be in it. Who says there has to be one woman for each month? I say the more the better. Three, four women pictured per month? Fine with me. Half-naked? Completely naked? Fully clothed? Fine with me. I'll buy one. And sign me up to be in the male one (but give me about 6 month's notice so I can hit the gym a little!).
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I think all women have something Sexy about them. So I guess it's all up to your definition of what Sexy is. I think the mind is sexy and intelligence is sexy. They physical form is only one part of the equation for me. I am not blinded by the prospect of almost nude atheist women at all, that isn't what this is about. I just presented the idea, I would not be the one excluding people or including people. I was merely trying to show that if 30 people try out for 12 spots, some of them know that they will be rejected. why they are rejected is not up to me. I don't think that sexuality is limited to social rules or regulations. Human nature dictates sexuality. I didn't want this thread to turn into an argument.
I think Brian covered this topic in another section/forum. The topic is slightly different but the issues are the same. http://www.rationalresponders.com/amanda
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Okay then. If something like this were to hit the planning stage, how about a calendar where those who want to be featured must submit an essay or something that highlights their "other skills"?
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I agree