I need advice on how to deal with my Zen Buddhist voice teacher (long).

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I need advice on how to deal with my Zen Buddhist voice teacher (long).

I need some advice.  Yeah, I know.  The Internet is a lousy place to ask for advice. Advice is worth exactly what you pay for it.  Opinions are like assholes…everyone has one.  (Insert favorite cliché about advice here.) Still, I need to hear from people who aren’t me (which would include everyone who isn’t me…IOW, you. Smiling )  I’m too emotionally involved to make a logical decision.

Recently I had a falling out with my voice teacher.  It’s easier for me to copy and paste from another post, so here’s what happened:

Once again the religious beliefs of someone in my life have led to strife. This time it was my Zen Buddhist voice teacher and it came completely from left field. 

She has always called me her "star student"...the only student who actually practices and is concerned about improving.  I’ve always paid her on time despite limited funds and she has always assured me she is willing to “work with me” if funds run low.  I’m really not comfortable with that.  I don’t like the feeling of “owing” anything. 

I'm leery of the Abrahamic religions, especially fundy Christianity.  I thought maybe Buddhists weren’t so nucking futs when it came to judging others, but it seems I may have been wrong about that.

For the past couple of months I've had a nasty case of sinusitis.  A CAT scan showed a deviated septum, a chronic infection in my right maxillary sinus and a huge-ass polyp in my left maxillary sinus.  I've been feverish and sick: completely unable to attend my weekly private voice lesson.  All through this my teacher has told me not to worry about it…just get better.

Last week when I called to cancel again, my teacher went ballistic.  She contended I wasn't doing all I could to take care of my health.  Apparently, I am not thinking positively enough because positive thinking equals health.  She started telling me about her husband and that he survived cancer longer because of his positive thinking. (Um…he still died, didn’t he?)  She also believes he was reincarnated, but that don’t make it so.

I’m not denying there is a mind / body connection.  The mind is a part of the body, a physical thing, after all.  Still, I really don’t think I can shrink that polyp and correct the deviated septum with my mind any more than she and her deceased husband could will away the cancer.

When I tried to speak, she interrupted me.  There were veiled threats about others wanting my time slot.

She had never acted like this, so I was completely taken aback.  I hung up on her.

After thinking about it a few days, I have come to the conclusion this is mostly about money (with a side order of self-righteousness).  The money issue does bother her, even though she kept telling me to take my time and get well.  To make it OK to grouse about the money, she had to tell herself I was doing something to make myself sick.  The Buddhist idea of mind over matter fit that niche nicely.  It’s awfully convenient to have religion when you need justification for doing something nasty.

By Monday, I wasn’t any better physically, so I cancelled my personal voice class as well as any scholarship monies headed my way.  I really didn’t have a choice.  I wasn’t getting better and it didn’t sound like the teacher was willing to work with me.

Later that evening I left a message on her machine, telling her she could fill my slot at any time.  She called me later, saying she didn’t want it to end this way.  What choice do I have?  I can’t sing and according to my doctor, this is going to take a long time to fix. 

Also, taking voice from someone requires a certain level of trust.  What my voice teacher did was unprofessional and I’m almost certain she has passed the information on to others who will of course agree with her because she is the teacher.  I got a note from a fellow student telling me to think positively.  That’s all it said.  Gee, I wonder where he got that idea?

She’s behaved very unprofessionally.  Me?  I’m flabbergasted.  I would never have believed her capable of blaming someone for an infection.

Religion...it makes people nucking futs!  

Being raised fundamentalist Christian may have given me poor interpersonal skills.  Now that I’m an out-of-the-closet atheist, I’m even more confused.  I never know whether someone else is acting out of prejudice against atheists or if I somehow fucked something up.  When you’re in the middle of a conflict it’s hard to be objective.

Music is very important to me.  This teacher is probably the only one in the county qualified to teach me. It’s a small county and I’m sufficiently advanced that I’m working on advanced technique…well, I was until a few months ago.  I haven’t practiced since July.

A few nights ago, my ex-voice teacher called me and we talked like nothing had happened, which bothered me immensely.  She spoke of something called a Quantum Xrroid (QXCI) machine and my bullshit detector clanged so loudly the neighbors probably heard.  She claims it has helped her.  I bet it has.  Placebos work for believers.

I tried to tell her I was a skeptic.  She said, “I am, too.”  Um, excuse me…but no one who believes in Quantum Xrroid machines, Reiki and reincarnation is a skeptic.  While my bullshit-o-meter rang and my mind called her claim to skepticism bullshit, I found myself going into “people pleasing” mode.  I listened patiently, Googled the QXCI machine, pretended I was actually lending credence to her ideas, actually tried to give her the benefit of the doubt.

When I hung up, I realized that boundaries in our relationship have been blurred.  Before she went ballistic I had a lot of respect for her and actually solicited advice, even for health care.  Bad move.  When she would go on about Reiki and other woo-woo nonsense I’d just discard whatever she said and go on respecting her and acting on the bits and pieces I agreed with.  Now I distrust almost everything she says…shades of my “black or white” religious training, no doubt.  I’m wondering if she was leveling with me even on musical issues.

When I began lessons with her, I told her up front that my health was poor and that I periodically became so sick I couldn’t function for weeks on end.  She said that anticipating another illness would bring it on.  I should have seen that as a warning sign, but instead I took it to heart and decided this time I wouldn’t get sick.  I’ve decided that before.  Instead of helping, it hurts me because when I do get sick it leads to great disappointment and depression.  For awhile now I’ve known that my attitude needs to change.  Instead of thinking "this time I won't get sick," I should anticipate illness and have a plan of action: rest, Zicam, vitamins…maybe even meditation (although Ms. Zen Buddhist has dampened my interest in that particular activity). 

Last year my voice teacher said, “Music is so good for your health.  By this time next year you’ll have so much energy, you won’t know what to do with it.”  That sort of didn’t happen (understatement).  She made up some interesting stories to explain my waning and waxing health issues, saying I seemed to get well for performances.  Um…actually I got well for a performance because the antibiotics temporarily cleared up the infection.  When I came off the antibiotics, I relapsed. 

I actually asked for her input when I was at my sickest.  She listed several home remedies for sinusitis, most of which I was already using.  They weren’t helping.  At one point, I said, “I should probably write this down.”  Later I found out she saw this as an affront, that I wasn’t taking her seriously.  Actually at that point, I was taking her seriously.  It’s just I was already trying many of her ideas without effect, so there was no need to write them down.  I could remember the few I hadn’t tried.  Also, I was so sick I didn’t want to bother with a pen and paper.

NOW I don’t take her seriously. Smiling

If I do take lessons from her, two things need to change.  The first is my income level.  I'm way too poor to pay someone I don't trust $40 a lesson.  The second is my relationship with the voice teacher.  It needs to stay on a purely professional level.  I have to tell her in no uncertain terms that I do not buy into her personal beliefs and that she needs to keep them to herself and stick to teaching voice. 

The boundaries became blurred because I let them become blurred.   I was hoping for a friendship, I think, but due to trust issues, friendship is now out of the question. Still, I might be able to salvage my musical education. 

So how do I establish boundaries that never existed?  It reminds me a bit of my mother's battle to keep the deer out of her garden.  They were used to having access to that part of our property, so nothing short of an 8' tall fence was going to stop them.  I watched and laughed as my mother tried everything from metallic streamers to mountain lion piss. Smiling  Flowers and veggies disappeared every day until the fence was erected.  I think it took three or four years for my mother to get it right.

 How can I get it right the first time?


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That's quite a story you

That's quite a story you have.  I can relate...kind of...

 

Not only I'm I a lifelong musician (I'm a classically trained percussionist), I also have a good friend who is a practicing Buddhist, however he is also an academic with degrees in psychology and religion.  He is not of the 'Zen' sect and he often makes jokes about how wacky some of them can be.

It's really difficult to suggest how to handle this, given the number of other contributing factors.  I understand that you may have difficulty finding another voice teacher, but this is what you should probably do.  I have had circcumstances before that required me to lay out of private lessons for awhile and my instructors have all been understanding and made every accomodation for me.  I have also had many friends in the same type of situation.  I have seen people have to miss lessons and ensemble rehearsals because of strained muscles, car accidents, TMJ, illness...and in every case, the instructors have been understanding as long as the excuse was genuine and they returned to the normal routine as soon as they were able.

One this the instructors NEVER did was blame the student for the illness or suggest some type of pseudoscientific bullshit treatment option.  One of the voice teachers (coincidentally) at my college was a practicing Buddhist and was always calm, collected and understanding.  She would never have done these things either.

 I would certainly start looking for a new voice teacher.

Good luck! 

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I'm not a musician, but I

I'm not a musician, but I do have frequent medical problems that interrupt my ability to do just about everything.

This woman is quite unprofessional - if she was a professional she would be encouraging you to come back when you feel better rather than "encouraging" you to feel better.  As the person above me stated, I would look for another teacher.  However, you pretty much mentioned she's the only good one in the area.  Well, look anyway - something/someone might pop up.  

 Other than that I would focus on getting better - not her crap, but getting rest, going to the doctor, etc.  When you are feeling better I would approach her then about lessons.  Ask her if she has a slot available, ask her if the price is still the same, and then state blatently what you want from her.  If she doesn't agree then tell her you'll look elsewhere for lessons.  Tell her you thought you would come back to her first out of respect for your past relationship but you don't have a problem going elsewhere.  Maybe she will agree then.  If not, maybe she will be professional and recommend another teacher.  Although, I doubt it.

For now, I would just ignore the situation.  If it really is just about the money then in a month or two when you are back, vocally speaking, she will be wanting to pick up another student so much that hopefully she will do it on your terms. 


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Zen buddhist assertion:

Zen buddhist assertion: Just thinking positive thoughts about getting well will actually make you better.

 

Skeptic response: Prove it.

 

 


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KSMB wrote: Zen buddhist

KSMB wrote:

Zen buddhist assertion: Just thinking positive thoughts about getting well will actually make you better.

 

Skeptic response: Prove it.

 

 

Well, I think her husband's death pretty much destroys that idea.  I don't buy the Zen idea that he lived longer because of Reiki and positive thinking.

I might as well say that my father's Christian fundamentalism kept him alive longer.   You can't prove it didn't. Smiling

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I think the positive

I think the positive thinking bullshit it a combination of naive optimism and self-flattery through confirmation bias.

"I mean, I hope things go well. I really hope so."

a. "Things went well, therefore I have amazing supernatural powers."

b. "Things didn't go well. You must have poisoned me with your negativity. Why do you always do this?" *Runs from room with tears streaming down her cheeks*


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stevedave83 wrote: That's

stevedave83 wrote:

That's quite a story you have.  I can relate...kind of....

Not only I'm I a lifelong musician (I'm a classically trained percussionist), I also have a good friend who is a practicing Buddhist, however he is also an academic with degrees in psychology and religion.  He is not of the 'Zen' sect and he often makes jokes about how wacky some of them can be.

Hi stevedave.  Welcome to the RRS boards.  Tighten your seatbelt and be prepared to use the breathing apparatus if the cabin loses pressurization.  In an emergency, your seat may be used as a floatation device. Smiling

I read your reply a couple of days ago and it pretty much echoed many of the things my gut was telling me.  I needed to wait to reply because I'm just not sure how to go on without music.  It provided a foundation on which to build.  Without it I feel strange...unanchored. 

I neglected to mention that I've had similar problems with other music teachers and fellow music students.  They tried to make me well by shoving Jesus down my throat. 

God dammit!  He didn't fit the first time.  What makes them think he'd fit now?  

Maybe I need to learn to keep my mouth shut because every time I open it, someone tries to slip Jesus in.  Hmmm...maybe we can turn the word "Jesus" into a euphemism for something else :

"Isn't it awfully nice to have a Jesus?  Isn't it frightfully good to have a dong? It's swell to have a stiffy. It's divine to own a dick, from tiniest little tadger to the world's biggest prick..."

"Keep your Jesus off my Jesus, keep your bible off my balls..."

My first voice teacher in this county, a fundamentalist Christian, totally shattered a promise he made one night by cornering me in the basement and explaining that without Jesus I had no hope.  As you can imagine, that went over really well with me...not.  He is, unfortunately, also the music director at the college. 

I've also made comments to other students when they've brought up religion.  Most of my comments were perfectly reasonable, but I did say some things I shouldn't have and of course, some Christians never forget and never forgive if you dare to question their beliefs.

One student decided to make my life a living hell.  Only three students made it to third semester music theory and she was one of them.  So, while my voice teacher went off on me, the other two students in theory class were going out of their way to make it clear I was not welcome.  Once I had lost my voice teacher, I didn't see any reason to continue in theory.  I had missed more classes than I'd attended due to illness, anyway.

Yes, three whole students in the class.  Now there are two.  That should say something about the size and makeup of this county.

My training is also classical, but I haven't sung in so long I'm not even sure where to begin.  Perhaps I should find a nice piano teacher that will focus on ergonomics (I have tendonitis) and reading music...worry about picking up voice again later.  Maybe I can find someone who is cheaper than $40 a lesson.  It would give me something to focus on, at least.

stevedave83 wrote:
It's really difficult to suggest how to handle this, given the number of other contributing factors.  I understand that you may have difficulty finding another voice teacher, but this is what you should probably do.  I have had circcumstances before that required me to lay out of private lessons for awhile and my instructors have all been understanding and made every accomodation for me.  I have also had many friends in the same type of situation.  I have seen people have to miss lessons and ensemble rehearsals because of strained muscles, car accidents, TMJ, illness...and in every case, the instructors have been understanding as long as the excuse was genuine and they returned to the normal routine as soon as they were able.

One this the instructors NEVER did was blame the student for the illness or suggest some type of pseudoscientific bullshit treatment option.  One of the voice teachers (coincidentally) at my college was a practicing Buddhist and was always calm, collected and understanding.  She would never have done these things either.

Yeah, I'm taken aback.  This was the last thing I was expecting.  The main thing that kept me going through the illness was knowing I could return to studying music.  Now, like I said, I feel really bizarre.

 

stevedave83 wrote:
I would certainly start looking for a new voice teacher.

Good luck! 

Yeah, I've already asked the fundy Christian music director at the college.  He basically told me to get well first, which makes sense, but it's hard to make getting well a goal if there's nothing else to shoot for.

I have some thinking to do.

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shelleymtjoy wrote: I'm

shelleymtjoy wrote:

I'm not a musician, but I do have frequent medical problems that interrupt my ability to do just about everything.

Sucks, doesn't it?  About all you can do is pick yourself up and try again.  This time it's been especially hard.

shelleymtjoy wrote:
This woman is quite unprofessional - if she was a professional she would be encouraging you to come back when you feel better rather than "encouraging" you to feel better.  As the person above me stated, I would look for another teacher.  However, you pretty much mentioned she's the only good one in the area.  Well, look anyway - something/someone might pop up.

My only resource is the fundy Christian who behaved in a similar fashion. 

As I mentioned above, My last two voice teachers each tried to bring me around to their way of viewing the world. Apparently, being chronically ill is a sign of not having the correct world view. Smiling  I told both teachers I have many chronic illnesses and that any bug that comes along may lead to weeks or even months of illness.  They were fairly warned.


I'm wondering...what makes religious loonies think I'm ripe for proselytization?  Just because I often get ill doesn't mean I'm interested in their crackpot religious views.


I have a few theories:


1. Religious loonies proselytize everyone.  I just happened to be in the way.


2. Any sign of weakness or illness causes the vultures to zero in. ("I'm not dead! I'm not dead)&quotEye-wink Seriously, I think religious nuts prey on the weak and any sign of weakness will leave a person open to an attack.  The problem is I ain't weak and when the vultures land too near, I tend to peg 'em with my six iron.  Yee-HAW!  


3. Music lowers inhibitions and leads me to divulge personal details I normally wouldn't under other circumstances.  If this is the case, I need to be a lot more wary in the future.  It will be hard though.  It's like guarding against something when you're drunk. Sad

shelleymtjoy wrote:
Other than that I would focus on getting better - not her crap, but getting rest, going to the doctor, etc.  When you are feeling better I would approach her then about lessons.  Ask her if she has a slot available, ask her if the price is still the same, and then state blatently what you want from her.  If she doesn't agree then tell her you'll look elsewhere for lessons.  Tell her you thought you would come back to her first out of respect for your past relationship but you don't have a problem going elsewhere.  Maybe she will agree then.  If not, maybe she will be professional and recommend another teacher.  Although, I doubt it.

Yeah, I'll probably do something along these lines. 

It's so deja-vu.   Something similar happened with my last voice teacher.  I tried really hard to resolve that issue, but it never felt resolved. I lost all respect for him.  I feel the same way about what happened with the Zen Buddhist music teacher.  I've lost all respect for her.  I doubt I'll ever feel comfortable with her again. 

shelleymtjoy wrote:
For now, I would just ignore the situation.  If it really is just about the money then in a month or two when you are back, vocally speaking, she will be wanting to pick up another student so much that hopefully she will do it on your terms. 

I think I might be through here, musically, which really sucks because when you're chronically ill, moving isn't a viable option.  I'll work on getting better, but like I said before, music anchored me, helped me function.  Without it, I'll have a harder time getting better.

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