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lmao.  Take this quiz.

 

http://www.train2equip.com/quiz.asp

 

See how much you really "know" about evolution.

 

Hey - I thought it was entertaining.

 


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Oh my goodness.

Oh my goodness.


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I love how they even

I love how they even contradict themselves in their answers - take a look at these two bulleted points:

 

The origin of life by natural process is scientifically impossible. For example:

  • Life cannot originate in the presence of oxygen
  • Life cannot start without oxygen in the atmosphere

 


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This guy is as bad as that

This guy is as bad as that lab-coat-wearing Christian chemist on YouTube who lives in Mexico.


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How could Noah fit the large dinosaurs onto the Ark? Noah did not have to take the full-grown dinosaurs onto the Ark. He could have taken the young (baby) dinosaurs.

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . what the fuck?

I think noah's ark was 450 long?

WOW.. just .. WOW

 

edit: forgot to mention that dinosaurs are mentioned nowhere (kinda odd seeing as how fucking massive they are) in the bible and clearly we must have killed ALL of them by throwing rocks at their faces.

oh and carbon-14 dating is just so unreliable.


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Life cannot start without oxygen in the atmosphere

Yes it can...

 What do they mean by "life"? Are they referring to the first proto-biological polymers, or the arisal of the first cell-machinery based organisms? Regardless of how it began, one thing is very obvious. Life began in the ocean, and water has left a permanent stamp on our biology. 

Quick chemistry less. Why does life need oxygen, children, or most of it, anyway? Mostly because of late matabolic processes, one in particular requires oxygen: Oxidative Phosphorylation. When we think of the word Oxidation, we think of adding oxygen. But that is not true, in chemistry, oxidation refers explicitly to the loss of electrons, and conversely, reduction is the gain of electrons. It is the high energy electrons generated by the Krebs Cycle which drives the synthesis of a molecule which is universal to life, because it drives the vast majority of reactions, Adenosine Triphosphate. The only real reason Oxygen gas is required in this step is to accept the electrons so that it bonds with a free proton (which are always in the cytoplasm) to form water. 

That is why that process entails the use of molecular oxygen, and is the only near-universal metabolic process explicitly unable to function without it. Oxidative phosphorylation comes after the NADH ( Reduced Nicotinamide Adenine Diphosphate) from one turn of the Krebs Cycle is oxidized to donate high energy electrons which are passed along the electron transport chain in the inner membrane of a tiny organelle inside nearly all protozoa, fungi, animal and plant cells, the mitochondria.

But for the vast majority of life's history, Oxidative phosphorylation did not exist, only for the last 1.5 billion years. the dominant process is a much older, much more primordial process that still exists today, glycolysis and the other process fermentation. Both of these produce energy in the form of ATP and NADH, but they do not require any oxygen at all to function, in fact, to primordial bacteria, oxygen is specifically lethal, and anyone who actually knows about evolution would know this.

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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dumbass site wrote:

dumbass site wrote:
The carbon-14 dating method is based on the assumption that the amount of carbon-14 being produced in the atmosphere is equal to the amount that is being removed (decaying) over a period of time. This assumption was proven false over 40 years ago. This means the dating method is reliable for only a few (2-4 thousand) and not the claimed 60,000 years.




No you idiots, the amount of carbon 14 at the time it solidified doesn't matter. All that matters is the ratio of the parent daughter rock within the sample.

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If evolution is not a fact or a theory, then what is it? Based on the scientific method it qualifies as a model or a hypothesis.



How hilarious, the fact that every teacher that i've had at my university that mentions evolution talks about evolution like most common folk talk about the world being spherical.

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1. There was a tremendous explosion of complex forms of life called the Cambrian explosion. During this period every major body plan suddenly came into existence with no transitional forms leading up to it.
2. Fossils are found fully formed and developed.
3. There are major gaps between all major groups (single cell to multi-cell, invertebrate to vertebrate, fish to amphibian, etc.).
4. Many fossils are found out of order.
5. The order of fossils becomes less relevant because:
* There is no mechanism for change (meaning macroevolution).
* There are no intermediate forms to support gradual evolution.
* There is no explanation for how life could originate by natural processes.



1. yes the cambrian explosion of which occurred over what millions of years? Also, we have life forms before that time period. The reason there was an explosion was there was a development of hard tissue that didn't occur precambrian. The hard tissue is much more likely to fossilize then the soft tissues of precambrian life forms.

2. wtf? Why do creationists expect them to be un "fully" formed? I am unsure what part of evolution that is even relevant to. Unless they mean that each fossil has its own "kind" and isn't a crocoduck. Which isn't what evolution predicts, it predicts gradual (sometimes faster then other) changes, not 1 day a crocodile and a duck the next a crocoduck.

3. really such as? I'm unsure what they are referring to here.

4.There is no mechanism for change? umm what about natural selection occurring by geographic separation?

5. umm how about Archaeopteryx????


6.there are hypotheses about abiogenesis which has nothing to do with evolution

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The geological evidence overwhelmingly supports catastrophic events and a young earth. For example:

* Large canyons have been shown to form rapidly (Results of Mount Saint Helens, Grand Canyon, Eastern Washington canyons)
* Thin layers of strata have been observed to form rapidly and not require long ages
* Coal, oil, and petrified wood can all occur by natural processes in short periods of time



first point- Grand canyon has been shown to form rapidly? Millions of years is rapid how? oh yea they probably read geological journals which talk about it's "rapid" formation, forgetting that in the scale of geological time it is "rapid" but by no means is it rapid by our scale.

 

second point- We can tell a difference between strata that occurs because of things like volcanic
explosions because we know the difference between igneous and sedimentary rock, also THEY LOOK FUCKING DIFFERENT! http://www.flickr.com/photos/20405685@N02/1989276478/ << see the white band thats igneous rock which obviously was laid much faster

third point- i'm not sure i've ever read this before therefore i've no evidence this is true.

 

 

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* Coal, oil, and petrified wood can all occur by natural processes in short periods of time

Maybe at around 18,000 atmospheres. Some nagging feelings (rolls eyes) tells me I don't think that could happen on Earth, unless God put it in the microwave. Here (In reality, as opposed to creationists, who all live in Imaginationalnd taking drugs) there are these Pesky laws of physiscs which say that pressure is equal to the amount of force applied divided by the area over which it is applied.

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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Why the fuck is it that

Why the fuck is it that these people, who I strongly doubt finished high school chemistry, seem to think they are Charles Darwin in miniature and that they are experts in evolutionary biology, that they can run their mouth off about a topic regarding which they truly know less than nothing?

Its really ironic how the understanding of a figure is inversely proportional to his fame. The giants in this case are Newton, Einstein, Darwin, Marx and Freud. Very, very few people actually understand what these men did, but everyone has their layman's conception of them, and everyone thinks that makes them experts on them. I'm sure most people know that NEwton discovered gravity. I'm sure much fewer people know that he first proved the light spectrum, created differential calculus, and worked out the inverse square law. I'm sure most people know E=mc^2, but almost no-one knows what that means, and far, far fewer know what Relativity entails (even though it is actually very simple). Very few people actually know what "communism" is, or Marx's conception of it. Never trust convential wisdom, because it is a euphemism for truthiness.

So I propose a mathematical law: The relationship between how iconic X is and how much people know about X and are actually bothered to study X is inversely proportional, where X is a person, idea principle, etc. 

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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Life cannot start without oxygen in the atmosphere
Yes it can...

 

They also forgot the potential for life to have evolved on underwater vents, where organisms would have gotten energy from the primordial interal heat of Earth instead of the sun, far away from whatever crazy shit was going on in the atmosphere.

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deludedgod wrote: Why the

deludedgod wrote:

Why the fuck is it that these people, who I strongly doubt finished high school chemistry, seem to think they are Charles Darwin in miniature and that they are experts in evolutionary biology, that they can run their mouth off about a topic regarding which they truly know less than nothing?

Because they're idiots. 

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So I propose a mathematical law: The relationship between how iconic X is and how much people know about X and are actually bothered to study X is inversely proportional, where X is a person, idea principle, etc.

This should be one of those iconic laws like Godwin's Law, Murphy's Law, and Sturgeon's Law. It just needs a catchier name than "Deludedgod's Law". Your username doesn't flow off the tongue very well, I'm afraid. 

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They also forgot the potential for life to have evolved on underwater vents, where organisms would have gotten energy from the primordial interal heat of Earth instead of the sun, far away from whatever crazy shit was going on in the atmosphere.

Yes, the lithotrophes. Its fascinating that an entire ecosystem has evolved down near the hydrothermal vents which requires no support at all. Its the only ecosystem which does not depend on plant life. If plant life died, consequently all life on Earth would die except the lithotrophes. Apart from plants, they are the only other ecosystem which does not rely on feeding off organic material, like we do. They get their nutrients from minerals and metals, and use sulfer in their metabolic processes, which gives them a fascinating yellow glow. Down in the deep sea hydrothermal vents, often deep yellow patches can be found miles underwater. 

"Physical reality” isn’t some arbitrary demarcation. It is defined in terms of what we can systematically investigate, directly or not, by means of our senses. It is preposterous to assert that the process of systematic scientific reasoning arbitrarily excludes “non-physical explanations” because the very notion of “non-physical explanation” is contradictory.

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deludedgod wrote:

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Yes, the lithotrophes. Its fascinating that an entire ecosystem has evolved down near the hydrothermal vents which requires no support at all. Its the only ecosystem which does not depend on plant life. If plant life died, consequently all life on Earth would die except the lithotrophes. Apart from plants, they are the only other ecosystem which does not rely on feeding off organic material, like we do. They get their nutrients from minerals and metals, and use sulfer in their metabolic processes, which gives them a fascinating yellow glow. Down in the deep sea hydrothermal vents, often deep yellow patches can be found miles underwater.

We should be glad that lithotrophes haven't evolved smug cockiness or we surface dwellers would never hear the end of it.

"Oh, eating decaying plant matter? And the flesh of some organisms whose food energy is four steps removed from the sun? That's nice, uh huh. I'm feeling a bit peckish myself. I think I'll go eat some metals and subsist off the heat of the earth for a little while! Tootles!"

God, you just know they'd be total dicks about it.

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deludedgod wrote: Why the

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Why the fuck is it that these people, who I strongly doubt finished high school chemistry, seem to think they are Charles Darwin in miniature and that they are experts in evolutionary biology, that they can run their mouth off about a topic regarding which they truly know less than nothing?

It's the classic It's Too Complicated So God Must Have Done It Argument for creationism. Because it's much easier to assume that God did it, rather than take a course on microbiology and read about the Krebs Cycle.

This argument is often used along with the Time-Limit on Scientific Discovery Argument, the one that says if science hasn't figured something out yet, then God must have done it.

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