Communication is broken.

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Communication is broken.

People have a hard time understanding what I am saying. Perhaps it has to do with me being four steps ahead of them in a conversation, perhaps it has to do with them not being able to understand anything I say. Either way, communication is broken... at the least for me.

I can't have a conversation with anybody because they think I am not addressing what they are saying when I obviously am; they simply have problems with inferences. It's as if I, very literally, have to spell things out for them. Even after establishing something in a conversation, such as new religions not spreading in theocratical countries, they still have a hard time understand things.

I'll give you an example.

My father and I were talking about religion. He asked me a pretty good question. "What is it about Christianity that made it spread incredibly fast through Europe?" Well, I asked him about why it didn't spread through other places, such as India and China, and his response was that he did not know.

So I suggested that it mainly had to do with the society of the places. For example, China and India have rich histories with their respective religions, both of them doing extremely well with it. In contrast, the reason the Vikings gods wore out was simply because the Vikings did not have a society they liked, or to be more exact, they did not have a strong government.

This, somehow, was not sufficient. He asked again. "So what is it about Christianity that made it spread incredibly fast through Europe?"

I repeated.

He repeated.

I repeated.

Eventually, I said "Look. It's got to deal with how much religion played in the society. More theocratical societies did not take kindly to new religions, while others, such as the ones had by the Vikings, were more open to it." Although, full knowing, that both pagans and Christians lived side by side in Hedeby (I think it was Hedeby... the place near Hagia Sophia) for a long time before pagans were eventually cast out and killed.

I mean, is it that hard to understand that there is nothing special about it and that I have already assumed this and am adressing the very next question that would be asked? Is it really that hard?

He's also been caught up in this whole comfort thing that goes along with it and I told him that it simply wasn't the case. He kept on insisting that we both found comfort in our atheism, although again, this is not the case.

Maybe it's me, but when I have a fucking conversation, I like to use real definitions for words. I use strong, easily understood words with no grey area, especially as the important part of a question, answer, or statement. Perhaps it is this that causes many conversations that I have to turn into arguments, although both sides might agree. It's, very literally, to the point where I do not speak anymore. I literally do not utter anything to anyone anymore simply because they do not understand a thing I am saying.

If I'm ever at a loss for words, it's not because I don't have a response or a statement, it's because I'm trying to find a way to word it so the person listening will understand. I can't mentally babysit everybody I talk to, especially since it becomes tiresome and boring to have to walk somebody step by step through a very simple to understand process.

This also isn't something that is strictly left to intellectual conversations either. Even when I'm telling somebody why he should stand in a certain spot while playing defense in a game, I'm often wasting 30 minutes to an hour explaining just one of the reasons why.

"Why not stand here with this class?"

Because no one runs there. Stand here with this class .

"Why?"

More people run in through this area and this class is the best for handling a situation like this.

"But this place is better."

Why?

"I dunno"

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     yup, me too, "If

     yup, me too, "If I'm ever at a loss for words, it's not because I don't have a response or a statement, it's because I'm trying to find a way to word it so the person listening will understand. "....

 That is the best we can do, words and language, .... so on we go .... caring for all this .... us lucky ones, caught in oxymorons .... shit, geezz .... put into words ....


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CrimsonEdge wrote: "What is

CrimsonEdge wrote:
"What is it about Christianity that made it spread incredibly fast through Europe?"

fire, stakes, roman might, etc.

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CrimsonEdge wrote: In

CrimsonEdge wrote:

In contrast, the reason the Vikings gods wore out was simply because the Vikings did not have a society they liked, or to be more exact, they did not have a strong government.

Well that and they were pretty much wiped out as a power in 1066 at the battle of stanford bridge. Sticking out tongue (sorry, I couldn't resist) But yeah, I see what you're saying. I guess it might just be a systematic way of not thinking when it comes to religion.


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I think some of the problem

I think some of the problem here stem from the sometimes poor definition "viking".

Nobody ever called themselves vikings. viking is an artificial label put on a certain culture spanning a diverse region of europe. over a relatively short timespan of a couple hundred years.

The culture developed over long time before what we today call the viking age, and the nations and powerbasis of the "viking" people lasted long after the battle of stanford bridge.

The adaptation of christianity by the "vikings" is a bit more complex than :

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the Vikings did not have a society they liked , or to be more exact, they did not have a strong government.

Governmet might be a key word. the christening was higly a political and economical move. Remember by the battle of stanford bridge the "viking" kings was already christian. In fact the viking king at the battle, Harald Hardråde. had a christian saint as his father(Olav the holy, officialy the king that made norway christian in the battle at stiklestad in the year 1030).

If I was to sum it upp I would say christianity spread trough power and money. the people was eventually forced into acepting the change.

"Everyone knows that God drives a Plymouth: "And He drove Adam And Eve from the Garden of Eden in His Fury."
And that Moses liked British cars: "The roar of Moses' Triumph was heard throughout the hills."
On the other hand, Jesus humbly drove a Honda but didn't brag about it, because in his own words: "I did not speak of my own Accord." "


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JeremiahSmith

JeremiahSmith wrote:

CrimsonEdge wrote:
"What is it about Christianity that made it spread incredibly fast through Europe?"

fire, stakes, roman might, etc.

You know four days ago I actually had someone tell me the Christianity was true because people would not have died for a lie.

 

Back to the OP on communications though -

Sounds like you need my translation services. Eye-wink  Seriously though, I can sympathize.  This actually happened to me right before after the above comment.  (Friday was a long painful night.)  The speaker claimed we have faith in elevators.  I tried to explain that it isn't faith but rather a reasonable conclusion based on past opperations.  I even went through this long demo  involving gravity and expectations.  After all this is comes out that he doesn't include the "without proof" component to the definition of faith.  Shortly after this I just cut off the conversation.  He basically replied that I only want to debate people that I have responses for...