Pathological obstinance. 

Wow. How old was this person? Six?

I haven't had much conversations with christians about their beliefs, but the few that I have had, they've shown great cognitive dissonance and a general ignorance of things contrary or contradictory to their
beliefs.

not too long ago I was sitting at my computer reading a list of bizarre and just plain idiotic things listed in the bible and I was laughing out loud at most of it. My mom passed by my room and asked what was so funny and I mentioned the part of the bible about the talking donkey (minus any reference that it was from the bible) and she started laughing aswell and I said "how can people believe this shit?" and she said "thats just crazy" and thats when I mentioned it was from the bible and the smile wiped strait from her face and she started arguing that it really happened to which I replied that donkeys do not have the right vocal chords, throat or moth shape to make anything remotely human sounding. She juist said "whatever" in a slightly pissed off tone (what she does when she knows shes been beaten in a religious argument).

the one conversation I can remember having with my brother was when he said something along the lines of "how can evolution make a horse? I don't know how evolution could make something thats perfect for carrying humans. look at cats aswell, they are perfect for companions. how can evolution design these things. there are so many animals that are designed for our use." my reply was "Well, you are counting all of the hits and none of the misses. how many animals are out there that we cant use? take crocodiles, what can we do with them? theres also hippos, carrion birds, large cats, buffalo, I could go on. If you don't know how evolution made these things then I'd suggest reading a book on how evolution works. the thing is, the animals we use for our own needs weren't created for us, we just saw them as useful for our purposes". he carried on with the "I don't understand how evolution could do X".

I also head a lot, my mom saying "thankyou lord" because it didnt rain, or when the exchange rates stopped dropping and stupid things like that. she was watching hour of power or something like that about a week ago and it had a family on there that wre talking about how one of them was diagnosed with cancer and treated and it was all thanks to god. I said "it wasn't god that got rid of it, it was the freaken' surgeons" to which I got the reply "no, god did it. they prayed and he cured them" so I said "yeah right. if god really does cure cancer and head the sick then why do you still go to ythe doctors and buy medication?". I was met with the "whatever" response again.

I really don't understand how people can get so deluded.

There is also the question of: Are they really designed for us to use or does it simply happen to fit well given their thousands of years of domestication?

 Ever tried to bring a lion into your house to keep the mouse population down?  Doesn't work, huh. 

Does anyone else ever feel like they could defend a theist's belief better than 90% of the arguments you hear?

It's like ID... how can such an "intelligent" theory be a complete load of crap?

Bullshit is actually very easy to believe if everybody else believes it too.

For most of my life I believed that Abraham Lincoln wrote the Gettysburg address on the back of an envelope while riding the train to Gettysburg. Everybody I knew believed it. It was common knowledge. It had to be true.

Nope. There's no evidence it ever happened. Just more bullshit.

Bulls don't charge at the color red....water doesn't drain counter clockwise below the Equator....George Washington's false teeth were not made of wood......the ostrich does not bury its head in the sand......and Thomas Edison did not invent the lightbulb.

All bullshit.

But see how easy it is to believe it?

Thanks I'll check it out. 

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It's amazing how convinced intelligent people can be that there is a god. My father told me in all seriousness that without god there would be no advances, that there would be no point to science because nobody would bother asking questions like "How do clouds work? What happens if I...". I tried to argue that it was the other way around, that science advances because people don't assume there's a god doing it all, and he came out with "But what would be the point of asking "how" without God?"

I eventually had to give up and try something else. 

Yeah i suspect i could, though only to the adherent of another religion.

This would've ended in 2 sentences.....because after he'd have said "So then you are an atheist? Atheists are evil and are the work of Satan! "

I'd have laughed for like 5 mins. straight and he'd probably have walked away 2 mins. into that.

I don't think I could come up with the "dumbest" statement by a Christian, they're (the comments) are all rather idiotic.

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If you argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with it.

That could go the same with arguing with a theist as well. 

Personally, the dumbest thing that I ever heard a theist say was as follows:

Him: The Sun is not a star. The bible says that God made the moon, the sun and stars separate.  

 Me: Then The bible is wrong.

Him: How can you say that? The bible is the word of God.  and another thing, how does the constellations work if there is no God? If there was no God, then there wouldn't be any pictures in the sky at night.

Me: That's just coincidence. It's like dropping a box of marbles and making pictures from that.

Him: So, how far away is the nearest star?

Me: About 5.5 light years. It's called Proxima Centauri.

Him: Then it's like dropping a box of marbles, and then having a marble way over at the other side of Canada!

Me: That "Box of Marbles" analogy was not to scale.

Him: Well, then how do you explain stars coming to life? We never see them being born, just dying.

Me: It takes billions of years for a star to be born from a nebula. And after that it varies as to the time till it's death. 

Him: How does the star start from the nebula? 

Me: It gets disturbed from a nearby supernova or, say if the galaxy that it inhabits collides with another galaxy.

Him: But you weren't there. How can you say it starts like that?

Me: No one was there to see the creation of earth according to the bible.

Him: It was inspired by God.

And so on and on. 

Intangent, I agree with the point behind your post, but a few facts are off...

You fell for it and he didn't even catch you. The sun is the nearest star, and it is about 8 light minutes from earth. Alpha Centauri (trinary star system including Proxima Centauri) is about 4.2 LY away.

Not billions but millions or hundreds of millions. Keep in mind, current estimates age the universe at 13.7 billion years, so a billion years is a big chunk even on a universal time scale. We do witness stars being "born" by observing thousands of stars that are in the process of formation. For example, if you never saw a giraffe grow up, but you saw 50 giraffes of different ages arranged in order side by side, you could easily tell how the giraffe grows without waiting it's entire life. Star formation does not require a supernova or galactic collision. Most are simply formed by gasses collecting around their own center of gravity. Other stars explosion can expedite this process and add more mass into the gasseous area to help the formation. (this is not a complete explanation, but a little more accurate).

Regardless, we have not found god flying around creating these stars with a magic wand. I wasn't trying to pick your statement apart, just wanted to straighten out a few cosmological facts.

This was a face to face conversation I had with a church clergyman who was teaching an RCIA program I was in at the time of giving up religion after the last meeting I went to.

Me: I need to talk to you about something.

Them: What is that?

Me: I'm not going to continue the RCIA program.

Them: Why's that?

Me: I no longer believe in god.

Them: You know something, you're dead.

Me: What do you mean dead? I'm sitting right here. My heart is still beating and i'm still concious. I'm not dead.

Them: You're dead.

Me: No, I'm not.

Them: What you're doing is very dangerous. You could go to hell for this.

Me: I'll see you there. 

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Just this morning I heard a christian say

" People say you must be open minded,but at the end of the day open-mindedness can lead anywhere.That's why you need christ."

So they're admitting they're closeminded? 

If one were to omit anything said after the phrase"The Bible says...", suddenly Christians (theists in general) would not have a whole lot to say.

It is a bit of a challenge to have a conversation/debate with a Christian without them defaulting to the Bible... In fact, I don't think it's possible for them, and still have any sort of valid argument.

They'll always say, "Well, you just need to open your heart to god, and he'll reveal himself to you, as long as you truly want to find him.  This seems to me, that they have essentially convinced themselves of what it is they want to hear.  I'm sure there is some psychological term for this that someone here knows about .

I had 3 Christian roommates when I was in college 12+ years ago, and I recall having discussions like this.  Often I would just leave them talking in circles.  Hah, the funniest thing I remember while living with them, was when a pair of jehovah's witnesses came to the door... it was a battle of the books; my roommates flipping between pages of the Bible, and arguing whose was accurate... It lasted nearly 2 hours.  I just sat and watched the ridiculousness, thankful that I no longer was shackled by religious terrorism.

I tried this once too. I got a load of BS back. I've used the unstoppable cannonball and immovable post contradiction. Christians can be so damn dumb sometimes...

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I think he needs to up his medication.....

Me: Why do you think the scientific community has accepted evolution for over a hundred years if there's absolutley no evidence?

Xtian: Because they're gullible

Me: *kills self*