If we're a supposedly Christian nation, why doesn't "God" appear anywhere in the Constitution?

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If we're a supposedly Christian nation, why doesn't "God" appear anywhere in the Constitution?

 



For anyone who thinks that we were "founded" as a specifically Christian or religious nation, do a search of the full-text of the US Constitution.

 

The word "God" does not appear anywhere in the original Constitution and appears nowhere in any of the subsequent amendments. The names "Jesus" and "Christ" do not appear anywhere in the Constitution.

Doesn't it seem that if the delegates to the Constitutional Convention truly saw the nation as a specifically Christian or religious nation, that they would have specifically put it in the Constitution?

 


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AL wrote: Ripple

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Ahh, AL, so if it is irrelevant, then why such a big hoopla over it? If these Christians clearly have no power to control the government, as the Establishment Clause states, then why such a fuss?

Do you even think through the questions you ask before you ask them? You act as though the fuss and hoopla are caused by the atheists when it is clearly the other way around. The Declaration is irrelevant, and the hoopla is caused by the Christians who think the Declaration is relevant. If the hoopla bothers you, then tell your fellow Christians to give the Declaration nonsense a rest, since clearly they're the ones who didn't pay attention in government class if they actually think the Declaration grants them rights.

Same with the fuss over the Establishment Clause. It is there to prevent the formation of a theocracy, but that doesn't stop Christians from attempting to form one anyway IN SPITE. The fuss and the hoopla stems from them, not us.

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What is your point? You wish to stop people from "claiming things" that's not theirs? Well why prosecute just the Christians for doing that? Prosecute the rest of the people in the world who "claim things" You guys are so fucking subjective.

You can claim whatever you want. The Christians can claim whatever they want as well. I am not denying anyone's rights to free speech. It is when they want to implement policy on grounds that this nation is "Christian" and on grounds that "the Declaration says so" that I take issue.

And nobody is "prosecuting" any Christians. The word you're looking for is "persecuting," and no, we're not doing that either. The issue is Separation of Church and State, and the attempts by Christians to circumvent it by declaring "Christian Nation" and "Declaration" nonsense. You can say it, but it's nonsense and has no bearing on rights, or policy, and any attempt to implement such policy or infringe upon rights should be frowned upon by anyone who respects the Constitution.

The problem with calling "Christian nation" nonsense is that far too many Christians dont think it is nonsense. Those who dont think that also dont realize that their are pleanty of Christians as well as people of other religions who do take their threats of "Christian nation" seriously and as such fight to prevent a backslide into pre Constitutional law wich was very sectarian and very dogmatic.

I would call "Christian nation" a national security threat before I would call it nonsense. People who use that clechi either dont like compitition of ideas and are smart enough to see the competiting ideas, or they are blind sheep following the ones that sell them that cliche.

www.au.org is full of all different labes of different religions and atheists are members as well too. They value Jefferson's wall as do I and do see the Falwell types as dangerous to everyone's freedom. Unfortunatly the people who follow those nutters dont even realize that we value their freedom as well.

They get this pursicution complex and claim that we want to purge society forcibly of Christianity. We dont have to do that at all. We can use free inquery and free speech to get our ideas and views out.

But rest assured to those who think we are out to get them by force, WRONG. We dont barbaque kittens. We dont howel at the moon and we dont sacrafice goats. We, along with many Christians are concerned with the dogmatism of OUR goverment. 

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It has nothing to do with

It has nothing to do with the lack of a religious test for office. The very right by which we have no religious test is itself based in a conception of a universe where human beings have a right to conscience, which comes from a Supreme Creator. First, this is not tied to Christianity so stop bringing Christ into it; many of the Founders had no belief in Christ.
Second, the very notion which undergirds freedom of religion is the notion that human beings have such a right as given to them by their Creator. The very notion itself comes from an idea of a God who creates human nature! Just saying it isn't doesn't make it so!

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StMichael wrote:Quote: A

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A god can't have, because there isn't one.

Dooty dooty doo, circular logic in your head...

There's that nagging projection again. You're the one using circular logic. Not I.

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Wrong again. And you don't even explain yourself. Making you not only wrong but laughable.

Is anything objectively wrong or right? If it is the case that nothing is right or wrong, I cannot be "wrong again."

Trying to change the issue at hand gets you nowhere. Other than handing victory of the point to me that is. Thanks. Smiling

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Look up fallacies. You don't know what you're talking about.

Look up "reading comprehension." You didn't even read my post if you are making this sort of statement.

Ah, so you can't read AND don't know what a fallacy is. I guess that kind of explains it.

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