How should we act at funerals?
This is one question that has plagued me for awhile since I became an atheist. I mean... it's one of those things that I'm forced to listen to religious bull. I mean... what are my alternatives than just been fed things like "He's with God now, and he's in a better place." I wouldn't want to make a scene because I'd be greatly outnumbered... but still. What do you guys think?
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it might sound cold, but i simply don't acknowldege religious comments or sentiments at funerals. you don't have to argue with them; everyone is free to say goodbye to the deceased in whatever way they see fit, whatever is comforting to them. but you're under no obligation to agree with them.
i don't bow my head or close my eyes during prayer, and if a comment is made such as "he's with god now" i simply say something like "he meant a lot to many, different people" or something like that. sort of changing the subject without being rude.
does this help?
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I had to face such a question this past year when my dad passed away (some RRS members kindly offered their views). Ultimately, I concluded that my concern for my mom outweighed any abstract principle of integrity, so I attended the funeral, but didn't participate in the liturgy. On account of my mom's feelings, I have no regrets about attending. This certainly won't become a routine with me, however.
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I've never been to one, but I've thought about it. I wouldn't participate in anything religious during one. And depending on who it was who was dead I might very well not go at all if religion were being practiced. I can hold or participate in a seperate gathering for those of us who want to remember the person realistically and the way they'd want to be remembered.
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With respect,
You have been invited to what I assume is a religious occasion which you have choosen to go to.
Doesn't mean you have to pray but act dipomatically stand when asked to etc
I utterly despise religion, I don't respect it but I do tolerate people's right to freedom of speech/belief etc
A funeral is not the time for an theist/atheist argument
Also there are plenty of non-religious funerals avaliable these days (at least in the UK anyway)
I suppose that makes sense. Luckily I haven't been to many funerals of very close relatives... not to say I don't care about some of the distant members of my family... I'm sure you know what I mean. It's just that I can tend to get irritable when I start to hear religious babbling...
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I'd mostly agree with this. Although it's unquestionably a religious ceremony, I don't really view funerals as religious in nature. They stem from a natural desire to bring closure to grief and loss. Plus any political protestations that don't come from someone with a very personal connection to the deceased come off as not much more noble than the Phelps family protests.
So I think Atheists generally respond like everyone else at a funeral, by silently observing the artificiality of it all and hitting on the more attractive non-relatives in attendance.
I had a involuntary eye roll problem for a while but, out of respect for the family's feelings, I've managed to control it
People who think there is something they refer to as god don't ask enough questions.
As many of you know, I am about as outspoken an athiest as they come. Just recently, I went to my grandfather's funeral in San Francisco. They are a group of methodist phillippino's and my grandfather actually helped build (ironically he was a carpenter) the church they attended (a small congregation of phillippino methodists). Obviously the funeral was held at the church and I was asked to be part of the funeral processions.
I obliged out of respect for my family. Here is the most ironical moment in my life. My duty was to recite a passage from the bible in front of the congregation. I was, in effect, preaching biblical bullshit. I really wish I had a video of it.....I could play some good jokes on people. Anyway, I swallowed my pride and instead of turning my grandfather's funeral into an embarassing debacle, I decided to play along.
Interestingly, it gave me a sense of power to stand up there and having all these people listen to the words I was reading, needless to sa, it was an interesting experience and I can see how kids like levi in Jesus Camp get a rush of adrenaline when you have people listen to you. It's empowering and it gave me an insight on how religious leaders are able to make sheep out of their congregation.
My little story.... funerals are a time of mourning, but if you go to a religoius funeral, I say leave your ideologies at home and even though you don't have to participate in prayer or bow your head, I recommend keeping silent and remember that person for who he/she was and what they meant to you in life. That is the best advice I can give.
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Eh I always liked the idea of "celebration of someones life" than the standard mourning funerals.
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When I die, I realy would like there to be no mention of biblical crap. No, "She's with the angels now", or "Burning in hell LOL".
That irritates me(even though I would have no way of knowing what they were saying). No priests, no "ashes to ashes", none of that.
I want my funeral/wake/memorial to be a completely secular affair where people remember me and what I contributed or how much they hated me. And where people I know try to hook up with other people I know in their damaged time of grief. I wanna be a wingmate even in death.
I attended a friends funeral a couple of years back, and since he was a big member of our gothy group of friends noone was short on any black clothing.There were a lot of people wearing rubber corsets, and he would've wanted it that way too. I want everyone to get really tanked at my funeral. And wear corsets. Sweet.
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Funerals for atheists are kinda tricky as the main benefit is obviously not for the deceased who is no longer in a state to care
I would hope if anyone could be arse my funeral would represent my life but in the end of the day its for the benefit of those who are still living
I haven't been to a funeral in years.
I'm skipping out on the next one even if it's mine.
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The last funeral I attended, I admit that I was amused during the pastor's talk. It was obvious he didn't know the woman and it later became obvious that she wasn't a church-goer. The pastor had been brought in by the overwrought family.
This isn't the time for disrespect (think how annoyed we are with Phelp's & Co. when they disrupt a funeral).
However, I do not participate in any of the religious stuff like reciting the lord's prayer, bowing my head, etc.
Simply attend for the sake of the family and friends that will miss the deceased and extend your sympathy. Your presence, many times, can mean more than you know.
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Agreed. In my opinion, even if the family or whatever has the service in a church, to me the church is just a damn building. True, one that cost far more than it should be but thats for another discussion. I find it generally unreasonable to go "Im not going to so and so's funeral because theres going to be some religious stuff in it." To me, its gibberish and like all things in the world, in that context its easy to just tune that out.
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Hey I have a question... do you guys have non-religious funerals in America? In Slovenia where I live, if you're religious you can have a priest and all the religious ceremonies when you die, but if you don't want that, if you're not religious, you can have a simple funeral where instead of a priest talking, someone (a friend, family member...) has a little speech and then you're burried, the end. Last week I was on such a funeral, my best highschol friend's father died, and none of the family is religious, so no priests, no "he's with God now", no prayers and shit like that...
Yes, we can. My aunt passed away from breast cancer a couple of years ago and we had a small service at the cemetary (my cousins were pretty little and I don't think my uncle wanted to freak them out with a huge somber event). Family members got up and said their peace and then we had the option of watching the casket be cremated (I passed on that one). A couple weeks later my uncle had a HUGE pool party BBQ in celebration of her life. There was a ton of people there and everyone remembered my aunt as being alive, not crying about her being dead. There was no religion involved. It was nice.
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Having gone through this last weekend with my grandpa...
All I did was sit quietly through the observances, comforted my mom who'd been taking care of him during his last years and responded to anyone who talked about his being in a better place with "He's not in pain anymore."
Don't know if that's the right thing to do but I didn't have a lot of time to go through it logically at the time.
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Just because I'm an asshole, I have a clause in my will that forbids prayer or bible verses at my funeral. There will be a lawyer there, and if anyone prays, all my money goes to the FFRF.
Yep. I'm an asshole, but it's going to be my last little joke.
My dad was an atheist, and when he died, I thought I was at the wrong funeral for a while. It was everything I could do to stop myself from standing up and saying, "Um... excuse me people! My father was an atheist his whole life. He only darkened the door of a church when he got married, or when my mother made him go to Christmas service with us. Sorry guys, but god sent him to hell."
They kept on and on about what a godly man he was. That shit's not happening at my funeral.
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The option of watching the casket cremated? I've never heard of that one. I admit it's just a little creepy to me.
However, the HUGE pool party and BBQ is the way to celebrate your aunt!
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I want people to try to create heaven on earth when I die just so they will be jealous
so
1) As much pasta as you can eat
2) Beer fountains (Volcano's bit beyond my budget)
3) Stripper factories (might have to have the same people in different costumes but its the thought that counts)
4) Lots of pirate clothing
5) Most importantly lose morals (call me a wanker but as long as you drink too much I don't mind)
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Me...if and when I do go to a funeral is in respect of the dead and in memory of them...not to sit around and hold my hands together wishing that their bodies released some reminense of their consciousness into 'some other plane'.
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Of course, that would be a Page 1 story in the New York Times.
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I had to take my mother to a funeral. It was in a wide open graveyard next to a highway. A ice cream truck went by playing "Jack-in-the-box" and all I could think about was when you hear the part of the song when Jack pops out, the guy in the casket would pop up and scare everyone there. I couldn't stop laughing. Yes, that is horible, but I still laugh about it. I would want something like that to hapen at mine. I much rather make people smile and laugh than be sad any day.
Gods do not directly kill people for they do not exist...
People who worship gods kill lots of people everyday......