Stupid Atheists
Offline To those certain people that claim to have been atheists or still claim to be atheists that go around spewing hatred, bigotry, discrimenation, anarchy, etc. need to shut there mouths and stop giving Atheists a bad image and name.
These people that wear goth cloths and have t-shirts that say "Satan Rules". These people that are xians that claim they "used to be" atheist. These people that say "I'm an atheist" only because they are angry at "god" because of some event(s) in their lives. To those people that disrespect other people that may own ridiculous beliefs but are good people non-the-less.
I realize that putting "stupid atheists" in the subject is rather an oxymoron so I have a suggestion to those people that make atheist look bad. Do not call yourselves atheists. Call yourselves Christians. Then maybe you would make the Christians look bad and would be doing a service to atheism. Otherwise, educate yourself on how to be a good person, an intellectual, and a REAL atheist.
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Yeah...they need to shut their mouths. That's the way to handle people you don't agree with.
I never thought I'd see a "no true Scotsman" card played by an atheist.
I'm still working on my fallacies, this is a "no true Scotsman," right?
I must admit that rebellious teens who "hate god" drag all of us down a notch and only use the "atheist" label to be confrontational.
But in regards to atheists being anarchists, bigoted, or hateful, well, people are people, and "atheism" doesn't require any more to fit the definition than a lack of belief in any gods. They aren't people I'd care to hang out with, nor do I agree with them, but that has no bearing on whether they are atheists or not.
This "real atheist" thing smacks of "no true scotsman" anyway.
*Sensitive about her clothes....
lol. I'm sorry GlamourKat. Didn't mean to offend your style or anything like that. I was trying to make a point of people that "worship satan" that claim to be atheists.
Yes, people are people, but I believe that atheism stands for something, at least now a days. Atheism in it's 'old' technical definition merely mean any person thats does not beleive in a god or gods.
But you need to realise it, whether you like it or not, that we live in a world of labels. You label yourself as an atheist, and so do I. And we expect people to get a sense of the type of people we are through our labels. Now, ask yourself this, do you really want people to put you in the same category as those other people that claim to be atheists but are simply ignorant irrationalists?
Forgiven.
And yeah, sometimes it sucks to be lumped in with jerky people, but it doesn't STOP them from being atheists. It's sad but true.
There are plenty of words like this, with connotations for certain groups. Hell, the words "Liberal" and "Conservative" have such a broad range of associations it's not even funny. And I'm sure both "sides" would love to kick some people off of their "team" semantically, but it's not gonna happen.
Babykilling anarchists are still gonna be "Liberal" no matter how much a partial-birth abortion ban and gay rights supporter doesn't want to be associated with them. And Conservatives who support the death penalty and deporting immigrants are still Conservative, as much as the man who is simply against welfare, and wants to own his own business with better finance options.
We can't just re-define words to make ourselves look better. We just have to show people who we really are, and what the word actually means.
In reply to MrRage,
Stop taking things out of context. Did you even read passed the first two sentences? You missed the whole point of the post to attack a few words that you took out of context.
The rest of the sentence said, "and stop giving atheists a bad image and name."
Its not about agreeing or disagreeing. It is about people that falsly claim to be atheists.
If a person worships the devil, how does that make him atheist? If a Christian claims that he used to be a hardcore atheist just to sell a book, how does that make him atheist? If someone says "i hate god", which obvously means he believes in him; how does that make him an atheist?
As for those other people that are technically atheists but are racist or hatful or whatever, I believe they shouldnt be shouting "Im an atheist." and use it as an excuse to discriminate and be hateful.
Atheism does not advocate discrimination, racism, bigotry, etc. Therefore those people that use it to justify there behaviours should shut up and not spread lies about atheist.
Just popping in to point out that the occurence of woshipping the christian entity known as "satan" or the devil is almost non-existent.
"Satanists" worship themselves and don't believe in any gods.
Kids wearing "Satan Rules" shirts usually worship heavy metal, or Hot Topic.
Point taken. I agree.
Yeah, the Church of Hot Topic is the craziest of all religions. lol. Your awesome!
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Yeah, Satanism is odd. It's named that way cause Anton LaVey was kind of a controversial dickhead. I met 2 Satanists in High School, and they were the sweetest people unless you were a jerk to them.
Satanism is interesting, but it's a very merciless, callous sort of religion at times. I have WAY too much compassion to be one. LOL. Check it out.
Haha, we don't have Hot Topic in Canada, but maybe one day soon the prophets will bless us.
And thank you!
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Apparently someone wasn't paying attention to the official atheist doctrine(tm) at the last meeting. Shame on them.
No doubt. I guess I missed the memo about that too.
If there is one more run-on sentence in this thread then I'm calling the grammar police.
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i've only ever called myself an atheist to avoid lengthy, trivial discussions with christians that only serve to waste time. truth be told, i don't see why i should have to be labeled in any way whatsoever, just because i DON'T believe in ridiculous superstitions. doesn't my non-belief simply mean i'm normal? just plain old "human"? shouldn't the fools that choose to believe in "gods" and "saviors" be the only ones required to have labels?
but of course we all know very well that in our society my choice not to participate in fairy tale worship makes me "abnormal", thus i must be given a label to separate me from the "good church going folk". but in all honesty, i'm not an atheist. i'm just me, derek neibarger. and i'm a hell of lot cooler than god.
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How did I take you out of context? Of course I read your whole post, and I basically agree with you. I just don't think telling people to "shut their mouths" is the right thing to do.
Of course these people are not atheists. But why do they need to shut their mouths? What really needs to happen is these sorts of people need to be ignored or marginalized.
They shouldn't be hateful. Period. People use all sorts of reasons to justify hatred, not just atheism. Once again, these persons should just be ignored and marginalized, not censored.
The "no true Scotsman" fallacy has been dealt with. However, I don't think that this is the best place to post this, as the bar for intelligence is fairly high. Perhaps a Satanist website may have more people that this would apply to? Regardless, it's kind of rude to say, and the comment that "stupid atheists" is an oxymoron is as likely to make atheists look bad, if not more, than the "stupid atheists" you are raging against. That comment shows a lot of arrogance, and to many would imply that all who are NOT atheists are, in fact, stupid. It's that dualistic way of thinking that many have (though I avoid this). If atheists are all smart, therefore, all who are not (or most who are not) atheists are stupid, according to that view.
Besides, it's judgemental and arrogant to talk down to these people at all. The angry teenagers will likely grow up. Many of us WERE those angry kids, but are now intelligent adults. The bigoted people? They'd be bigots anyway, and there are so few of them that I don't think it will matter. Hell, I've met only a handful of atheist bigots, and all were on racist forums that I go on to debate against racists.
It is a "no true Scotsman," yes. This fallacy was used on YouTube recently against the Amazing Atheist. That wanker hardcaseownsyou/fakesagan said...well, you can look it up yourself on TAA's profile.
From what I've seen, your clothes really work for you...as would most clothes, but I digress...
I truly can't stand Satanism. I mean, it's better than some flavours of Christianity, but to me, it's onle a few shades better than Objectivism, which is probably the most repugnant ideology that doesn't involve racism.
And...have you BEEN in a Hot Topic, like, ever? It's the worst thing to happen to punk rock, goth anything, and rebellion in general. (I know you're being sarcastic here, just saying)
One of my biggest "small world" experiences happened in a Hot Topic, though. The onlytime I ever went, I bought a hard to find CD and a pez dispenser, and something else too. The lady at the counter saw my address on my credit card, saw where I lived, and asked if I knew this dude...who I went to school with, occasionally hung out with, and was her best friend in the world! We talked about him for a bit, but this was in a town that was far, far away from where I live. It was fucking surreal.
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Yeah it was a "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy.
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Whilst this is a "no true Scotsman" fallacy" it still serves a point. Personally I believe that everyone is entitled to the quiet enjoyment of their religious - or, indeed, non-religious - beliefs. It is only when they try to force their opinions on others that the problems begin.
Naturally this applies to theists and atheists alike and I really see absolutely no difference between, say, a Jehovah's Witness pestering me at my door and a Christian being abused by own of my more obnoxious brethren.
Incidentally, I am a true Scotsman but only at formal occassions. Kilts do tend to chaffe one's nether regions if worn too long.
Freedom of religious belief is an inalienable right. Stuffing that belief down other people's throats is not.
Why are you so entangled by the title of Atheist? It's a redundant name, you should not care who bears it.
As far as I knew, 'Atheist' as a category of people do not adhere to any creed. I have the same resentment toward you and your arrogance as I do the Christians who condemn another particular breed of Christian as being false prophets. My point being, you don't fucking own the name of Athiest and so have no right to make demands to others who choose to identify with it.
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It concerns me when a bunch of people who I consider little - if any - better than any religious fundamentalists tar me with the same brush.
Freedom of religious belief is an inalienable right. Stuffing that belief down other people's throats is not.
I can empathize. I'm pretty hard to identify as a true atheist since the winters are much too cold up here for our traditional atheist loincloth.
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The atheists I personally despise, are those that don't keep the conversation on an intellectuall level, and instead go off on the old "your religious therefore your a freakin moron" rant. There used to be (not sure if its still on) a show in Austin on public access that did nothing to further thought, but just took calls from theists and told them how stupid they were without furthing thier position past rudimentary insults.
I'm here. I could start issuing citations and making arrests, but they never seem to learn that way. The best I can hope for is setting a decent enough example so they will at least strive to insert the occasional punctuation mark. LOL
I agree! There are many terms to describe me and atheist is only one of them. The term does not imply that one subscribes to a specific doctrine or dogma, therefore, most theist and many atheists have a bit of trouble with it. When someone asks me about my religious affiliation I use Nicca Lali's answer and say, "I am nothing." It is simple, non-confrontational and it fits.
I believe the show you are describing is called "The Atheist Experience", and if I am correct, yes it is still on. It is actually available as a free podcast.
I enjoy the show and think the hosts do a good job of trying to present relevent topics. It is a call in show and when theists call and become antagonistic the hosts hold firm and stand their ground. I would not call what they do "telling callers how stupid they are".
I am sorry you do not like the show, but I recommend it for a good listen.
It was about seven years ago so maybe its gotten better, I don't know. I guess I just got the impression of pretentiousness. Now granted, since it was on Sunday morning I would only catch about the last half hour or so and it is entirely possible I caught a few anomalies. I haven't seen it in a while, so from now on Ill withhold judgement.
For the first, every group has it's share of assholes, it doesn't make them any less a member of said group.
Now, for your thing of those who are saying they are atheists, but ... Um, what? Are you talking about the ones who basically say all in one breath, "I'm an atheist now because God is an asshole, He wouldn't answer my prayers!" which belies the fact that they do indeed believe in "god"? If that is what you are talking about, then well yes, I do agree with you. If that isn't what you are talking about, then what exactly are you talking about???
^_^; The "satan rules" shirts, some people just wear those to be funny. I have a shirt that says "smile, Satan loves you!" and another that says "Enjoy Satan" in the "Enjoy Coca-Cola" font.
You make great points. Modern Satanism is nothing like what the Xians paint it out to be.