I just wanted to know if the same fallacies that apply to the bible; ie, hypocrisy, contradictions etc..also apply to the qu'ran and if so in what way? I know that the qu'ran is a collection of tales and verses as opposed to long winded stories of the bible. Also, people are claiming that the quran has guessed certain scientific principles 1200 years ago..that science has now discovered, today..what exactly, i'm on a mission to find out. I'm also on a mission to debunk islam...cause frankly, these days, judaism and islam are getting on my fucking nerves.

THANKS BRO, this will come in handy.

If you want to have a meaningful conversation the Muslims do not believe that jesus was the son of god, yet the quran states that Miriam (Mary) was impregnated by the will of Allah. This one always fucks them up:

They will spin there beards into dreads with this one.

THIS IS TAKEN FROM THE ANTI-NEOCON.COM THREAD ON CHURCH AND STATE WHICH I MODERATE: DUE TO THE ANTI-ISRAEL/ZIONIST VIEWS ON THAT THREAD, WE GET PEOPLE WHO THINK WE ARE SYMPATHETIC TO ISLAM AND MUSLIMS...SO I HAD TO DO A BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING.

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=13782#13782

DEBUNKING ISLAM DOCUMENTARY PART 1.

Ok, Nasser, I am going to appease you and watch the movie and debunk it bit by bit...let's start with the first scientific claim...let me remind you, btw: that I am a scientist and according to science, a claim must be falsiable and testable otherwise it is considerd extrapolative conjecture: correlative explanations mean nothing...and very well may be coincidences. I will also do this in parts, due to the fact that right now I don't have an hour to spend on this, but fret not..for all of this video will be eventually debunked.

I want to aslo add that this documentary is good at describing the science, however, it makes a poor, let me rephrase; an insulting attempt at correlating science with obscure verses of the qu'ran.

Claim 1: 1400 years ago people believed that the earth was flat and that the mountains held up the heavens.

Qu'ran: Surah Ar-Rad, 2 states: God is he who raised up the heaven without any support.

Debunking: Extrapolative, means absolutely nothing. First off, the qu'ran could have meant that God raised heaven by himself with out help or support, secondly this is loosely correlated to what scientists know today, well..simply the fact that heaven is not a testable idea, not falsifaiable, therefore non-scientific. This is a weak, and I repeat WEAK attempt to correlate science with islam.

Claim 2: The claim that God created the universe:

Qu'ran Surah Al-An'Am, 101: He is teh Originator of the heaven and the earth. (first debunking: if allah has written this, why is it written in third person as opposed to first person, this clearly shows this is not the work of allah)

Anyway on to the debunking: The documentary claims that science's theory fo the Big Bang, from nothing to time matter and energy came the universe.....ok..how exactly is this related to Allah creating the universe? Are you even seriously using this as an example? This is absolutely demeaning to any half intelligent person. From one verse, claiming god created the universe, you have now proven teh big bang? I don't think I have to go on further to explain how ridiculous this claim is. There are so many creation stories out there...and they are all ridiculous. If teh Qu'ran is indeed the word of god, don't you think Allah would have also written how he did it? perhaps it was NOT just a bam, an explosion? you see..this is a propagandistic attempt to correlate science with some obscure passages in teh qu'ran....not proof, but designed to capture the non-thinking irrational sheepish minds. Any person with half of an intelligence would realize how fallacious this claim is. On to the next:

Claim 3: The qu'ran claims to have known that the universe is expanding based on this obscure verse Surah adh-Dhariyal, 47: And it is We Who have constructed the heaven w/ might, and verily it is We who are steadily expanding it.

Debunkmetn: oh this is a fun one...first: WE?? what's with the WE? I thought it Was Allah, ok.. secondly...you are attempting to prove that Allah meant expanding heaven as in the physical nature. How do you know it wasn't meant on a spiritual level, after all, heaven is a spirtual place. also, the documentary CLAIMS, that by heaven, it is meatn space, wouldn't that completely degate then the existence of heaven? come on man....NEXT: this is fun.

Claim 4: The Qu'ran claims to have written about planetary orbits before science.

Surah al-Anbiya, 33: It is He Who created teh night and teh day, adn the sun and the moon, they swim along each in an orbit.

Surah ya'Sin, 38: Adn trhe sun runs to it's resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty All knowing

Surah adh-phariyat, 7: By teh sky full of paths and orbits.

Debunking: You say teh Qu'ran was handed to Mohammed by god..1,400 years ago..that wold place us at..let's see taht would place us at 606 AD correct?

ok...read this:

Ionian school, inspired by Thales of Miletus (c.624-c.547 BC), who began looking for explanations of the origin and nature of the universe that did not involve the supernatural intervention of the gods of Olympus. The essential ingredients of what later became the Ptolemaic system were first formulated by the Ionian philosophers. Anaximander (c.610-c.547 BC) made the first attempt to explain planetary motion as some kind of mechanism; Anaximenes (fl. 550 BC) suggested that the planets were carried in transparent crystal spheres in their orbits around the Earth; Anaxagoras (c.500-c. 428 BC) postulated an outer sphere of the 'Prime Mover' that was analogous to mind and reason.

Other schools of thought emerged alongside the Ionian philosophers with different theories to account for the origin of the universe and to explain its workings. The most influential of these was the Pythagorean Brotherhood. Even during his own lifetime Pythagoras (c.580-490 BC) was a legendary figure. His most enthusiastic followers declared that he was the son of Apollo. Astronomers in the Pythagorean tradition moved steadily towards an understanding of the solar system. Pythagoras himself is credited with advancing the idea that the Earth is a spherical globe. His pupil Philolaus (fl.500 BC) was the first to visualise it moving through space and simultaneously rotating on its axis. Philolaus took the first step towards a heliocentric theory with his conception of a mystical 'central fire' around which all the celestial bodies, including Earth and Sun, were said to revolve.

Herakleides (c. 380-c.310 BC) developed a hybrid theory half-way between the geocentric and heliocentric systems in which the inferior planets Mercury and Venus were in orbit around the Sun while the Sun itself and the superior planets Mars, Jupiter and Saturn were in orbit around the Earth. Finally Aristarchus of Samos (c.310-c.250 BC), the last of the Pythagorean astronomers, reasoned that the motions of the celestial bodies could all be explained by assuming that the Sun rather than the Earth stood at the centre.

Case closed, clever was the one who wrote this eh? claiming all the work. Rolling Eyes

Claim 5: Protected roof. Surah al-Anisiya, 32. We made the sky a preserved and protected roof, yet still they turn away from our signs.

Debunking: First off why is it WE again, first it's allah, now it's WE, what's with this eh? anyway could it be not true that this is meant completely out of coincidence? I mean perhaps by seeing the moon and the sun, they thouth well they are styaing up there in ORBIT (see above), therefore, there must be an invisible shield. Also...if this was truly the word of God don't you think he'd would've made the atmosphere, well, more foolsproof..ever hear of the SCIENCE behind SKIN CANCER AND THE SUN'S RADIATION? If this was God's work, don't you think he'd make it a tad bit more protective? Also the documentary claims that meteorites as they hit the earth's atmospehre burn up..well, duh...but let's not forget about the ones that did NOT burn up and left those nice little craters.. how would Allah allow certain meteors to hit the earth and not others? Also, I will guide you to this, to show you how the atmosphere was developed
http://www.ux1.eiu.edu/~cfjps/1400/atmos_origin.html

WELL I GOTTA GO NOW...BUT I WILL BE BACK TO FINISH THE REST OF THE MOVIE.

BUT BEFORE I GO I WANT TO ASK YOU A QUESTION: EXPLAIN WHERE IN THE QU'RAN DOES IT TALK ABOUT SCIENTIFIC PRINCIPLES OF PARASITOLOGY, VIROLOGY, AND DISEASE AND HOW EACH OF THESE AFFECTS, EVOLUTIONARY GENETICS. SHOW ME A VERSE IN THE QU'RAN THAT TALKS ABOUT TRANSPOSABLE ELEMENTS, SURELY...NASSER, A GREAT BOOK OF SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE PREDATING SCIENCE, WOULD HAVE BEEN FULL OF EPIGENETICS KNOWLEDGE, DON'T YOU THINK? AND SHOW ME THE VERSE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT HOW MALARIA PARASITES ARE APPLYING SELECTIVE PRESSURES TO HUMANS' GENES AND ALTERING THE GLYCOPHORIN A PROTEIN, SURELY A GREAT BOOK OF KNOWLEDGE WOULD HAVE THIS EXPLAINED WELL BEFORE SCIENCE CAN, AND TELL ME THE SECRET TO CURING CANCER? SURELY A BOOK SO FILLED WITH SCIENTIFIC FACT....WOULD SURELY HAVE THAT HIDDEN IN SOME OBSCURE PASAGE.

I'm not done here..btw.
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Too bad an Iranian won't read this.

Right, well judaism is the oldest of the three abrahamic religions. Islam, from what I understand is the post script, metaphorically speaking. But yeah..I mean they all have similarities...if you break it down...the muslims claim that Muhammed was illeterate and couldn't have written it.. however, that is obviously the Mary Magdaleine of Islam, proving Muhammed was in fact literate and wrote the qu'ran...so..interestin points..

As far as teh avatar hahahaha..Iggy pop eh? I guess I can see that..on insult taken..lol...

Indeed....they are all either made up or charlatans anyway.

I agree..same with the bible, the documentary referred to here does just that.

absolutely. The thing that gets me is that apolgists of islam, act like the information written in the qu'ran was unknown before it was written which is a straight out lie. Like all other religions, it relies on the fact that people who follow islam are ignorant to anything outside of the religion, therefore, will believe the bullshit. The documetn referenced plays along with that ignorance. Typical bullshit.