Isn't it obvious now?

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Isn't it obvious now?

Now that I'm an atheist, it seems so obvious.  I can't believe I didn't see it before.  I don't have to make excuse after excuse, and rationalization after rationalization.  I'm lucky I caught myself while I'm young (18 now).  It also seems now that whenever I see or listen to people of faith... I tend to get emotional.  I feel kind of sorry of them, and I pity them in a way.  I especially start to feel sad when I see older people, especially clergymen etc., who have devoted (or rather wasted) their entire lives.  I'm not sure if wasted is the best word to use, as it seems kind of mean to say.  However, the truth hurts.


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For many atheists, god

For many atheists, god becomes like santa clause and the awakening seems to be like when you find out Santa isn't real.

Up until that moment it was just a worry propegated by people that just didn't "know", or perhaps not even a worry he "just is!". Once you find out of course, it is emotional, but so many things suddenly make sense about the myth.

It's very hard not to pity theists. When they tell you about gods rules, or plans, or whatever they mean it with such conviction and are so sure it's right, but it sounds exactly like kids describing the letters they wrote to Santa or how Rudolf is a good deer. Just as the kids are blissfully unaware, so are the adults. There is a sense of guilt associated with it too, you want to tell the kids and you want to tell the adults, but at the same time you have to wonder if they are ready for the news.

Sad indeed.

 

 

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lucidfox13 wrote: Now that

lucidfox13 wrote:
Now that I'm an atheist, it seems so obvious. I can't believe I didn't see it before.

Having revelations are we? Smiling 


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I wish I could pity theists,

I wish I could pity theists, instead of thinking of them as...... well, nevermind. I won't get into that. I'm civil to them, and that's what matters. Right?  

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Yeah, I know exactly what

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I took Mill's "Atheist Universe" up with me on a trip to NJ this weekend and was blown away by how obvious and simple the truth is. I was dying for someone in the airport to ask me about the book. But yes, I do feel sorry for them. We can live our lives to the fullest, whereas they are forbidden various experiences b/c thier "god" said no. Sad


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I've actually been

I've actually been contemplating a post on this same kind of topic, but I'll just comment here, instead. One of the most striking things about "coming out" as an atheist for me was talking to other atheists. When I talked excitedly about some logical progression or another that clearly proves this or that aspect of theism false, my new atheist friends would respond with a very nonchalant, "Yeah?" It took me a while to realize I was just late getting to the game.

Simple logic proves theism to be nonsense. Really simple. It's difficult to put into words how odd it is to watch otherwise intelligent people write volumes and volumes about thermodynamics, entropy, abiogenesis, cosmology, etc... twisting about in gigantic logical circles trying to discredit something as simple as "Supernatural is incoherent. God cannot exist."

I realize sometimes that we as atheists have to meet theists at their level... that is, breaking down every single convoluted attempt at apologetics, going into great detail to explain multiple levels of misunderstandings and misconceptions... before we even get to the point of addressing the emotional ties theists have to their invisible friends... but yeah, it's really difficult sometimes, when you just want to throw your hands up and say, "Look, it's very simple. It's a fairy tale! Grow up already!"

 

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Isn't it odd that there is

Isn't it odd that there is a coming out process? I know I went through it. I still seem to be kind of afraid of being too loud about my belief or lack thereof. It seems as though I'm going to hell every time I mention anything,and I get sick of hearing that. I don't think there are many atheists where I live. I have yet to meet another one, who cares about this stuff as much as I do.

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I feel your pain. That's

I feel your pain. That's one of the reasons I love this place. No matter where you are physically, there are people here who you can speak freely with.

I think one of the biggest difficulties in "coming out" is overcoming the "explanations" theists will offer. You'll be labeled as a backslider, or "angry at god" or any of dozens of other pseudonyms that allow theists to brush you aside and not listen to anything you say anymore.

There really is such a thing as being blackballed by the theist community, too. When I went public, I was a music teacher, teaching both classes and private students. The local teachers' union, made up almost exclusively of church musicians, effectively drove me out of the business -- I stopped receiving referrals, and many of my existing students quit. One mother told me that she couldn't have her daughter taught by someone without morals.... she said that to my face, mind you!

 

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Most people in my area are

Most people in my area are mormons. They never believe me when I say I'm atheist. They say I don't know what I'm talking about, or I'm just at "that part" of my life, but I obviously don't fully mean it. A lot of people I know who have left the church have been completely cut off from their families. A friend of mine who left the church when I did actually had her family disown her. Some love. My family, fortunently, was a lot nicer to me, though I do have a brother who refuses to recognize my existence anymore. The rest of them refuse to talk about anything involving religion around me. Like it doesn't exist. Maybe if they don't talk about it, my decision will just "go away."

 So over time of seeing that I just stopped talking. I am more open about it now, but I still keep it mostly to myself. I love coming to RRS because it mainly shows me that "I'm not the only one." I've always felt like I was the only one. Most people don't care about reading about history, science, religion and politics. Most people don't want to talk about it. Most people have no interest. I get to hear about Jesus and the Holy Ghost and how Families are Forever everywhere I go.. but I never get to hear (unless I'm on here) about people who actually are interested in the same things I am, and don't mind talking about it.

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I have always been terribly

I have always been terribly grateful that I grew up in a secular family. I've never really been a theist (I believed in an ambigous sort of god character without really caring until I was about eight), and I'm so happy for that. I feel bad for theists, too. I want to shake them, make them see the light, don't they see how OBVIOUS atheism is? How nothing else makes sense? I want them to free their minds and think without rationalizing. I want them to stop living according to some terrible dogma.  I've seen the individual pain religion has brought to friends of mine. I've seen the irrational thought processes it causes. I've never been a religious person, but I've seen enough to know that atheism is absolutely preferable.  


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When I have children I will

When I have children I will raise them secular. It has been such a pain in my ass to get religion off my back. From the age of 15 I was struggling with the church, finally at 22 I had my records removed. It took about 3 months to do. Why should I have even had to do that? I have the cool note saying my "blessings from baptism have been revoked" and that I can "return to feast at the table" with the 12 apostles and God again if I'd just think about my choice and realize it's the wrong one. Then of course they send the news I had my records revoked to everyone in my family. So much for privacy. My mother felt as though I had just stabbed her in the heart, and I was pretty much blacklisted for a good few months.

 It's ridiculous. People thought I was nuts. It was like I was getting a divorce from the church or something and signing a contract with God that said that my life from hereon out would royally suck because of this decision and I accept the consiquences. 

 I would never wish that on anyone, or their children. It still pisses me off and gets me all riled up to think about it all, over a year after the strong emotions have had a chance to die.

Thanks for letting me rant. 

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lucidfox13 wrote: Now that

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Now that I'm an atheist, it seems so obvious. I can't believe I didn't see it before. I don't have to make excuse after excuse, and rationalization after rationalization. I'm lucky I caught myself while I'm young (18 now). It also seems now that whenever I see or listen to people of faith... I tend to get emotional. I feel kind of sorry of them, and I pity them in a way. I especially start to feel sad when I see older people, especially clergymen etc., who have devoted (or rather wasted) their entire lives. I'm not sure if wasted is the best word to use, as it seems kind of mean to say. However, the truth hurts.

I can relate 100%.  I wish I would've 'seen the light' earlier, took me until my mid-twenties.  I can't imagine what it would be like to be married, have kids, and work in a church, and THEN coming out. 

But yeah, it seems so obvious.  I used to believe a virgin woman had a baby!  Its nice to not have to rationalize that. (as well as the other countless 'miracles&#39Eye-wink


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I have similar feelings

I have similar feelings everytime I see a theist.  I see a pastor, or hear someone say something funny and I almost immediatley think to myself "they can't actually believe that can they?"

I've come to the conclusion that very very few people actually think about any of it.  Most just kinda go along for the ride that their parents setup for them.

...If only more people in this world would just stop and think. 

"It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan


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Andyy wrote: lucidfox13

Andyy wrote:

lucidfox13 wrote:
Now that I'm an atheist, it seems so obvious. I can't believe I didn't see it before. I don't have to make excuse after excuse, and rationalization after rationalization. I'm lucky I caught myself while I'm young (18 now). It also seems now that whenever I see or listen to people of faith... I tend to get emotional. I feel kind of sorry of them, and I pity them in a way. I especially start to feel sad when I see older people, especially clergymen etc., who have devoted (or rather wasted) their entire lives. I'm not sure if wasted is the best word to use, as it seems kind of mean to say. However, the truth hurts.

I can relate 100%. I wish I would've 'seen the light' earlier, took me until my mid-twenties. I can't imagine what it would be like to be married, have kids, and work in a church, and THEN coming out.

But yeah, it seems so obvious. I used to believe a virgin woman had a baby! Its nice to not have to rationalize that. (as well as the other countless 'miracles&#39Eye-wink

You don't have to imagine it - I can tell you.

I didn't come to grips with my agnostic atheism until my late 30s - early 40s. By that time, I had married a theist (she tried to use Pascal's wager to bring me back) and was deeply involved in the church music program and basically built the church theatre program. 

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I agree. It's shocking

I agree. It's shocking people still believe in such ridiculous things in the 21st century.


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I began my questionaing

I began my questionaing around age 5,perhaps even earlier,it started with the simple question of"Where did god come from",and NO ONE could logically answer it.Mom tried the coput of "god came from his parents"then id counter"well he was the first being in existance,so no one created him,so hows that possible?,so id get the usual responce of it just was,always has been,whatever


so Id then ask well if god could just pop into existance,and thats completely logical,why couldnt life have just come into existance?Never got a good answer to that.Actually no answer,other than he is god,and that settles it!
skeptic ever since.


now i dont put off the possibility of a god,just deem it illogical in rational thinking.Just show atleast a bit of proof,and ill consider it.

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I also seem to get a little

I also seem to get a little more freaked out by Christianity now than I have before.  When I was spiritual, I thought that Christianity was just one path to the truth.  I never thought anything different when they said things about the Holy Spirit, angels, etc.  Now... it just seems very crazy to me.  When I hear them talking about feeling the Holy Spirit inside of them, and believing in invisible winged humans... well it just seems very silly now.

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lucidfox13 wrote: I also

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I also seem to get a little more freaked out by Christianity now than I have before.  When I was spiritual, I thought that Christianity was just one path to the truth.  I never thought anything different when they said things about the Holy Spirit, angels, etc.  Now... it just seems very crazy to me.  When I hear them talking about feeling the Holy Spirit inside of them, and believing in invisible winged humans... well it just seems very silly now.

I understand this well.  My parents and family are fundamentalist, pentecostal christians.  My mother used to tell me this while growing up:

"If you're not going to serve the lord in your life I pray to him that he might just as well take you home".

I would reply:  "You mean you want god to kill me"?

She'd shrug her shoulders and say: "Well, if you're not going to listen to him you're never going to get to heaven and there is no point in living this life anyway". 

But, on a cup half full note, that was my first step in recognizing the bullshit surrounding religious belief.

I still get a little nervous when I go to visit them, however.

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
George Orwell


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I would be scared if my

I would be scared if my parents were pentecostal christians too... Smiling