Theists are trying to take over America. Can they?

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Theists are trying to take over America. Can they?

This link:

 http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/070507F.shtml

 is to an article about a conference of Southern Baptist zealots who want to make the United States into a Christian Taliban, a theocratic state in which all independent thought will be squelched. The next step, of course, would be to punish dissent to their “Christian” ideals.

 

The conference was sponsored by American Vision, what this article calls “a radical ministry that toils away to ‘help Christians build a truly Biblical worldview,’" Some 800 people attended, representing a number of other groups with similar goals

 

One of their speakers, Gary North, called for a Taliban-like rule. This is his view of a Christian America:

 

North has called for the death penalty . . . for youngsters who curse their parents, gays and others who violate his interpretation of biblical law. He has argued that stoning is the preferred means of capital punishment, noting that it is a communal activity and "the implements of execution are available to everyone at virtually no cost.”

 

 This conference really scary. As an atheist, I hear all the time, "Why do you atheists think you have to promote atheism? Why don't you just keep it to yourself?" This conference represents the reason that we go on YouTube and elsewhere to state our views and try to reach the fence-sitters. We know the thoroughly convinced Christians, Muslims and other religionists will not heed anything we say. But there are many who have been disappointed by what they have been taught, and some of them may come to see that the world needs a peaceful secular vision, not a warlike religious one.

 

Muslims claim that theirs is a religion of peace, while, in the name of Allah, some of them sever the heads of anyone who disagrees with them, and threaten mass violence over a cartoon. Meanwhile, the "peaceful" Muslims are not quick to denounce these "non-Islamic" actions. 

Christians claim to represent the "Prince of Peace," yet they wage war on non-Christians in distant lands and promise war on non-Christians in their own.

 

The only hope for peace in the world is secularism/humanism. I am utterly convinced of that. Atheists and other secular humanists do not threaten anyone. We simply try to fight fanaticism with reason. I fear that we will lose. The religionists are experts at propaganda. They do not hesitate to lie, especially when characterizing the ideas of their dissenters. They play to emotion and not reason. They would (and eventually will, I fear) kill anyone who disagrees with them in any particular.


 

My brother tells me that this is just a relative handful of creeps who like to get together and make a lot of noise. Maybe he's right. But there has been a real and serious effort on the religious right to install co-religionists in high government positions. Pat Robertson bragged about that effort a number of years ago. Now we have a president who says he is directed by God. I would like to believe that Bush was merely pandering to his base. But it looks more all the time as if he really believes what he says, and that somebody with a strong religious bias is pulling his strings.

 


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didn't sam harris say

didn't sam harris say something like "if it wasn't so scary, it'd be absurdly funny."

I think that goes well, you look at fringe groups and think "that can't possibly be the way most people think" and then you see how many people go to church or believe in a coming armageddon or holy war and it becomes downright scary. Everyone has seen first hand how easy it is to form a cult and how easy that cult can become a problem, and how easy it is for extremists to take control of a country especially using fear. 

I don't see why we should just be quiet and leave people alone, because they won't leave us alone, and if they had it their way, we would probably all be dead.  


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They already have way too

They already have way too much control.


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I don't know if you noticed

I don't know if you noticed who is the head of the executive branch at the federal level, but he seems to be a crazy, unabashed theist.  In fact, if asked he would probably tell you the 650000 dead in Iraq is God's work.  We're a little late if we are worried about theists running the show.

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They always say the "Secular

They always say the "Secular lifestyle" and "Darwinism" is taking over the schools...so what's wrong with that? It's science...

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you can always spot a

you can always spot a creationist because they're the only people who think there's such a thing as "darwinism."

 

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Nero wrote:

Nero wrote:
I don't know if you noticed who is the head of the executive branch at the federal level, but he seems to be a crazy, unabashed theist. In fact, if asked he would probably tell you the 650000 dead in Iraq is God's work. We're a little late if we are worried about theists running the show.

Some people don't think Pretzeldent Shrub is serious about his religiosity, but just uses it to pacify his fundy base. Some people think he is faking his stupidity. I think he really is that religious and stupid. (I also think there's a correlation between religiosity and stupidity.)Hell, no one is that good an actor.

Unca Dick runs the show. Shrub is just there for window dressing. I don't know how Unca Dick feels about religion, but he knows it is extremely useful.

Fundies have taken over this country, even if the Dick is playing them for fools. Along with the greedy rich, they are the Republican base. I'm also concerned that fundy brothers Todd and Bob Urosevich owned the DIEBOLD and ES&S voting machine companies.  Those machines and the central tabulators were shown to be very hackable.  At this point nothing can be proven, but I suspect foul play.

The Pretzeldent just essentially pardoned Scooter Libby and Congress won't do a goddamn thing.  Why?  What the hell is going on?  Is there anyone left in government who isn't bought and paid for?  What kind of threats are being leveled at anyone who even hints they might not like the way things are being handled in Washington?

Something is really, really wrong. 

America free? Not really. Not anymore. I don't even know where to start to fix the problem.

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*sniff sniff* Can you smell

*sniff sniff* Can you smell that? Smells like war-mongering. If there's going to be a third world war sometime in the future, it will be because religious people will get too much power. I'm starting to fear that Iruka Naminori's motto is right: "We must end religion, or religion will end us"

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I agree that they have

I agree that they have already taken over.


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The last time churches had

The last time churches had political power it took the "enlightenment" and several centuries to bring America to birth and much of the west to follow. If, with what society has learned, it is possible to snap back to the fifteenth century, is there any hope? Are people such sheep that they can't think without some religious leader to tell them what to think? 


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Hambydammit wrote: you can

Hambydammit wrote:

you can always spot a creationist because they're the only people who think there's such a thing as "darwinism."

 

What you do in the privacy of your bedroom is your business. But dont expect special rights from the rest of us! Your "Darwinism" is sick and unatural. EVERYONE KNOWS THE FSM created everything. Now here you are trying to deny that! YOU YOU YOU YOU  RATIONAL PERSON YOU!  

 

 

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