yep, gays do everything wrong according to the church. they make up anything to deny homosexuality is a choice.

I'm sure the answers are coming! 

It always bothers me to hear Theists jump on gays, and to equate them with child molestors/murderers/etc...

But, hey. They equate GOD with Love, and can't seem that the Buybull seems to be written BY Shaytan, about GOD.

But, hey. They're not the 'alpha males'. They're (Persuasion/Ability/etc X), and Theists are Y; thus, Theists ARE right and moral... Yuck!

Personaly, I can't stand the little shits, as I remember myself as a youngster and the mischief I created.

Cheers,

-Blind_Man 

That is so weird because a youth minister I had was gay, but 'converted' to Xtianity. 

It's amazing what people would do when they're not allowed to wank...

Well, it's been my experience that most* child molesters are ministers. How do they explain that?

*note ~ I'm not talking statistics. I'm talking child molestation among friends and family. The ministers were the worst. And the churches involved just quietly hushed it up and moved them to another state so they could victimize a new batch of innocents.

1985? Rofl. You'll have to do a lot better than that. Say, something 2000 or more recent?

So? 100 people(who are already obviously criminally inclined) is enough to base a belief on all of society? How pathetic.

Obviously. Hetrosexuals molest little girls, not little boys. What kind of idiot is Dr. Abel anyway?

First, prove it. Second, prove how a magazine is descriptive of everyone who is gay.

Well, lets see it.

One book is a clear link? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

It is more than 'one" book. Studys may change through the years but I do think a study in 1985 has some meaning today also. Aree we only going to deal with studies on this date today or 1 year studies or what.?

The New York Post published a story July 30, 2001 that 20% of molestation cases they studied were committed by homosexuals. This is ALL cases both male and female. A recent study done by Dr. stephen Rubin of Whitman College in a ten state study found that 32% of all child molestation cases were committed by homosexuals. We must consider this when several studies continue to point to the fact that there is a greater amount of child molestation % in the homosexual community than in the hetrosexual community. I am just trying to deal with the rational facts here.

Very good point. It's been shown over and over again that repression, as happens in this Puritanical-inspired country leads to more trouble. Ask me who in my circle of family and friends became pregnant while still teens. Every single one of them (and I'm talking a dozen or more) were from very strict religious families. Those of us who were raised in liberal households, where we could actually discuss things, had the knowledge in hand to avoid such things.

Yes, but the numbers also show that 32% of all child molestation is done by 1-2% of the population. A concentrated problem. As this thread was started by matt to say that the idea that homosexuals are more likly to molest a child is a false assumption. It seems to be an accurate assumption because of the data.

The stats still imply that a homosexual is more likly to molest a child than a hetrosexual. Any time you have a higher % rate in a cat. that ids the end result. This is what Matt started this thread about. Just pointing out the studies

curus, I looked for those stats and couldn't find them.

Could you provide a link?

(Specifically, I'd like to see the government stats that show that theist children have lower rates of teen pregnancy and STDs.  I looked for a long time and couldn't find them.)

thats still making no sense at all

 youre saying that 68% of molestation is done by heterosexuals... yet it still implies gays do it more.

Not that I agree with Curus, but...

The math says this:

If you have 10,000 people and 1-2% are homosexual, one assumes the other 98-99% is heterosexual.  This gives you 100-200 homosexuals and 9800-9900 heterosexuals.  If there are 100 molesters in the group, and 32% are homosexual and 68% heterosexual, you end up with(in the worst-case) nearly a third of your homosexuals being child molseters.  (If you have 100-200 homosexuals and 32 homosexual molesters, that's 16-32%)  On the other hand, less than 1% of your 9800-9900 heterosexuals are molesters.

I think there's a lot more to the statistics than this, however, and I wouldn't be keen on making any blanket judgements based on one piece of anecdotal evidence.  Just pointing out where he's coming from, and that his math is correct.  Whether or not his actual figures he starts with are correct is another issue.  The figures he quotes, however, end up with the statistics I calculated(<1% "molester" rate for heterosexuals, >15% for homosexuals).

The biggest problem with this question is the issue of how many people are homosexual?  I don't know that there's any "real" evidence supporting any particular figure.  (Studies aren't "real"; people hide their sexuality from the people closest to them for years, even get married and have children, how can one expect all homosexuals to be honest when asked this question?).  Like the saying goes, figures can lie, and liars can figure.

A 1992 National Opinion research Center found that 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual. A 1995 survey published by the Journel of Sex Research indicated that 2.6% of men (18-50) survyed had engaged in homosexual relations in the last year.

 I had printed thaese off of the net. Search engines should be able to find them.

Hamby,

Will get back on and look up where i found that one shortly. It may be tonight or tommorrow. But i will get you the web address. I look for so many sometimes my memory runs out. I will use the link at the bottom of my page i printed out. It shows incomplete but i know i can find it with a little looking. Some of the others can be looked up by putting in the names of the newspapers, mag. or books in search engines. I gave the dates on some also. will get back

I've been doing some googling, but I don't think I'm using the right keywords, can you tell me what keywords you used?
Thanks. I'd like to check out those stats myself. I just can't accept them as they are, something doesn't seem quite right. I could be wrong, though.

Actually, it didn't take long... quick google search turned up this summary of a study that showed results strikingly similar to the ones I'm talking about in America.  The overwhelming evidence is that nations who have high percentages of atheists have lower rates of societal dysfunction.

Notice that extremely religious America tops the list for all the nastiest stuff.

Well according to that logic if 95% of the prison population is christian, then can we assume 85% of the population does 95% of the crime? 

It's always fun to play a game of "skewing statistics".  Here's mine: 

"Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% in which an adult molester could be identified –-- only 2 of the 269 cases". 

This taken from a UC-Davis study done in 1991 w/ the title.. Facts about homosexuality and Child Molestation.  It was conducted under the auspices of the Kinsey Institute. 

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

See there curus...that right there is a link !

The way this usually works is you maximize (read: inflate) the number of offenders in your study and then you minimize (read: deflate) the #'s of the minority group you want to apply your skewed statistic (hatred) to... and voila !! you have the Family Research Council, that joke of a professor, Paul Cameron..... and it's 1920 and you're arguing that black men are 5 x as likely to rape white women or some such crap.  It's a bit like this:

- A portion of males who molest children, molest both sexes, but if it's male-male sex (no matter the age) they've engaged in, add them to the homosexual offender list.    

- A significant portion of males who molest male children are married to women and even have families. Add them to the list also.

- A significant portion of males who molest children are in relationships with women..often women w/ children..no surprise (some of them male).  Add them to the gay list too.

- A significant number of Priests/Pastors molest little boys...(What is reported is very possibly only the tip of the iceberg and Catholics hardly have the market cornered....Google (Priest scandal) at any time of the year and stand back for the dozens of replies).  Add these "same sex" incidents to the list also.

Now tally up all of the same sex molestation incidents from persons (read: heterosexuals) who do not identify as gay or live their lives in that community (Howdy pastor Haggard) and apply these "same sex" encounters unfairly (and it has to be quite a significant #) to the small percentage who do identify themselves as gay...(Remember to make that percentage as low as possible)....and you have a statistic that would make any liar (theist) proud.  Only problem with that is it's dishonest..  but I guess that's par for the course among any bigot. 

There was the Statistic that 75% of Americans and 75% of the US prison population is Christian. 0.1% of US prisoners are atheists.

There's a lot of books that say the world is flat. You believe them too? Where's your science journals?

A poll is not a study. Especially not one by a newspaper. Especially not 22 years ago.

Another newspaper. Got any journals? Of course not. And thanks for proving your views idiotic. Only 20% of molestation cases are homosexuals eh? Guess that means hetrosexuals are a bigger problem than hetrosexuals. By a 60% margin. Those homosexuals are more moral than you, according to your own source.

Even more proof that hetrosexuals are more dangerous to our children than homosexuals.

No you aren't. You probably don't even know the meaning of the term.

Where's your studies showing the closet homosexual numbers to correlate this stupid belief? Where's your global studies? Scientific journals? I'm sorry, but you're just a qualified idiot. And I'm not going to bother looking at any more of your posts in this topic. Waste of time.

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Curus!  Still waiting for your peer reviewed scientific stats, dude.

Oh, CURUS!!!

Where are you, dude?

I'm still waiting for your scientific peer reviewed studies.

I'm patient, but I'm really beginning to think you just believed it when you heard someone else say it.  I don't think you have any stats, and you said you did.  If you don't, that makes you a liar.

*kick*