Wisebob, you have a very convenient (and ill-informed) definition of freedom.  On one hand: No, we do not advocate taking your right to freedom of worship or conscience ... Only someone insecure in their own beliefs would think that someone who believes differently (or challenges those beliefs) is trying to take away their freedom to believe ...

Yet, one the other hand, you should feel insecure.  We, as human beings, do not respect other peoples beliefs.  You will helplessly believe something if I present the right evidence.  Do I have the right to believe that Pearl Harbor or the Holocaust never happened?  Sure.  Would I be right?  No - and that should be expressed.

It's a typical fascist trick to try and turn the tables, and claim that those seeking truth are trying to deny it ... What you promulgated was an irrational precept: that our declaration of beliefs is somehow an infringement of your freedoms.  If you like established religion, do us all a favor and move to Iran.

Hey folks, give wisebob a break. According to his profile he's in the 9th grade. That means he knows everything. If he knows everything, we should seriously listen to him.

Even though there's no way to get out of being condemned to hell, maybe it's not too late to work toward one of the outer, less "tormenty" rings?

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Your all condemned to hell

And you're going to summer school!

Hold on.

If this kid's in the 9th grade I feel kind of bad about doing this but...

Christianity is being forced upon people. Ask any gay couple who wants to be legally married. Or read up on the arguments regarding abortion and stem cell research. Recite the Pledge of Allegiance. The 'under god' part was put in the pledge in 1954 under the McCarthy era and the red scare. Look at your money, for cryin' out loud. So yes, Christianity is everywhere.

I dont' care what your beliefs are. You're entitled to your beliefs, as am I. However, keep your beliefs out of our courts, schools and science institutions. You see, once your beliefs start affecting other people's lives, that's when there is a problem. So yes, you can have your own beliefs. But keep them where they belong and they DON'T belong in the government.

No one is making you watch the youtube video so you can't even make the claim that anyone is forcing anything upon you. Unless there was some mean atheist who tied you to a chair and held your eyelids open and forced you to watch it, don't complain. Just don't watch it if it bothers you.

Lastly, I was never baptized so according to all you theists I'm going to hell anyway.

I know you're probably a troll and/or someone who doesn't have the guts to engage us in conversation, but what do you call it when parents force fundamentalist religion on their children?  My parents forced it on me in the form of their own dogma, as well as church and a fundamentalist school.

Once my mother complained about Muslims forcing their beliefs on their children and I looked at her like she was nuts (which she is when it comes to religion).  Apparently, it's okay for Christians to brainwash their children, but it isn't okay for Muslims to do the same. 

You'd better hope not, or you'll be joining us.

"Your All condemn to hell" part I was trying to say it was an irrational precept to believe that if you do one thing wrong, your going to hell.

"Christianity is being forced upon people. Ask any gay couple who wants to be legally married. Or read up on the arguments regarding abortion and stem cell research. Recite the Pledge of Allegiance. The 'under god' part was put in the pledge in 1954 under the McCarthy era and the red scare. Look at your money, for cryin' out loud. So yes, Christianity is everywhere."

Yes Chirstanity is everywhere but it isn't being forced onto people. On gay mirrage if you want to get marry by a preist . It's probably will be on his morals. I don't think the government should regulate who can marry who. Arguements on Abortion and stem cell research are out their on the both chirstan side and on the Athesist side. We should be represented too. And it is on the moeny so what , thats what this country is based on and we should respect it. No matter what you believe.

"I dont' care what your beliefs are. You're entitled to your beliefs, as am I. However, keep your beliefs out of our courts, schools and science institutions. You see, once your beliefs start affecting other people's lives, that's when there is a problem. So yes, you can have your own beliefs. But keep them where they belong and they DON'T belong in the government."

No, not at all. Our beliefs should be in the government, schools, and courts,(definately not science institutions, two different things) and your should too. If they don't let our beliefs affect government why would they let yours.

"No one is making you watch the youtube video so you can't even make the claim that anyone is forcing anything upon you. Unless there was some mean atheist who tied you to a chair and held your eyelids open and forced you to watch it, don't complain. Just don't watch it if it bothers you.

Lastly, I was never baptized so according to all you theists I'm going to hell anyway."

I never claimed any one was forcing Atheism on me. I don't even think the blasphemy challenge video makes Atheism look good at all. Atheism and Chirstanity need to have respect for eachother.(Also Baptism can occur at any time. Just saying that becuase it sounds like you have that mixed up)This youtube video takes one verse out of the bible and out of context and makes Chirstan everywhere look like we're only out to judge people which isn't what were about.If I took one sentence out of a science book and made it look like you're all evil lunatics who brainwash kids into believing in the Theory of evolution. Who you be happy? The Blasphemy Challenge is based on hate not enlightement. Also if you want to makefun of me becuase I'm in Ninth grade go ahead I hope it raises your self Esteem but don't sterotype me into being a immature kid from the south (I'm from New England anyways) Not saying you did, just putting it out there. I hope this is a better more detailed post of what I was trying to say.

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Let's not kid ourselves. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the tagline of this website "Fighting to free humanity from the mind disorder known as theism"? Is there not an entire forum dedicated to "Beliefs that are so irrational they need to be eradicated off the Earth"? Didn't Sapient admit on national television that the RRS targets children and teens? I'm sorry, but phrases like "Fighting to free" and "Eradicated off the earth" are not friendly indicators. The RRS is fighting just as vehemently (if not moreso) to eradicate the earth of theism as many fundamentalist christian groups are fighting to make christianity mandatory. Like I said, please correct me if I'm wrong. Please show me evidence that indicates that the RRS is simply offering a freethinking alternative to christianity. I'm all eyes.

Considering the fact that the origin of the universe, the battle of Pearl Harbor, and the Holocaust have very little in common, I'm going to have to go ahead and say that this example fails.

Noone was around to witness the origin of the universe, so it is rational to believe that it cannot be commented on the same way that we can comment on Pearl Harbor or the Holocaust - people were around to commit such atrocities, and furthermore witness and record them. Not only do we have written evidence of both, but we also have photographic evidence. I think it's safe to say that the origin of the universe predated photography by a few billion years.

So really, you can make no truthful expression concerning the question of the existence of god since it's on an entirely different plane of knowledge than Pearl Harbor and the Holocaust.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Sounds just like many people on this website. The hypocrisy is astounding.

I'm a theist, and I don't believe such a thing. I think you're confusing theism with fundamental christianity. Big difference. Generalizations are bad.

How about the fact that they allow you to offer your opposing viewpoint on their website. Let's consider what happens here, they put up a website offering their view then they let you or any other theist come to the website and offer your point of view. This seems like pretty strong evidence to me that they are simply offering an alternative.

Why don't you show some evidence that "Fighting to free humanity from the mind disorder known as theism" means taking away anybody's freedom.