Not trying to debate, just a little confused...
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From: DNA
Date: Dec 10 2006 6:20 PMhey. to start off, let me just say spelling is not my strong point, so please overlook them when you see them. ok, now. i'm not trying to start a war with you, and i sure as hell am not trying to change your mind. i agree that it is unfair to push ones believes upon another, unwilling individual. it is wrong to trick someone into believing they will be rewarded for the rest of eternity as long as they do exactly as they are told. and i deffinitly believe it is wrong to put faith in a man just because a book that was written thousands of years ago and since then re-written because it says if you don't you will burn for the rest of time. i have even dabbled in other religions, ones we here in america are very familir with, all the way to ones most have never heard of. there are two similarities that i find in all of these studies and believes. one being that this particualr religion is the RIGHT one, and the other being that all should follow this religion or face eternal damnation. I don't come on myspace often, usually when i do i get into stupid arguments with people who have no idea what they're talking about. but you(the people behyind this page and this movement) seem to be somewhat open minded. so here are the flaws i have found in your system. you are doing the same thing any other religion does. you are pushing your believes to anyone who will listen. using myspace to get to kids and let them know that jesus does not exist(this is not up for discussion right now) is no different than the jahovas witness' comming to my door handing me the watchtower. the same thing that turns me away from religion is what turns me away from you. i have never considered myself an athiest. even though i haven't celebrated a single religious holiday in probally 6 or 7 years. even though i have totally denounced my alligance with the lord and that comes with it and even though i have denied all organized religion, i still do not consider myself an athiest for one main reason: catagorizing myself as an athiest would contradict my very ideas and opinions on the world. i look at this page and i see words and phrases like "free spirit" and "open mind" and it makes me think. do i really need to agree with what your saying, commit the "ultimate sin" and wage war on christmas and easter in order to reach that unobtainable level you call open minded? i agree with alot of what you guys say and stand for. don't put your faith blindly into a god because the rest of the world is. don't read a book because your gradmother says you'll burn for the rest of eternity of you don't. look at everything and find whats best for you. this is where we disagree. it seems to me u believe the same thing, except you want people to look at everything and then realize your system is the only logical and rational choice. heres my take on religion. religion is bullshit. it doesn't matter which one you choose or reject. it's all about your life. whats going to make you happy and whats going to give you that feeling that you belong somewhere. the conclusion to this is that all of us are wrong. look at what i've been saying this whole time and the point to all of it is that the right choice is whatever you make it. muslims, jews, islams, christians, mormons, it doesn't matter. they are all bullshit, none of it is true, unless you make it true. religion is what you make it. i must applaud you guys. obviously you saw the cracks in the paint, unfortunatly you were unable to c the whole picture. what i've said can be taken one of 2 ways. u can disregard it and never worry about it again, or you can think hard about it. like i said i'm not usually on myspace so trying to get a little discussion going might be pointless. however i look forward to seeing what your opinions are and how this made you feel. remember, we stopped looking at tv's in black and white years ago, it's about time we stopped looking at life in black and white too.
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Interesting. I haven't been on this site long enough to evaluate any particular motives or techniques. I see nothing wrong with being rational and logical.
Of course, he is right. There are some atheists who are more (or at least equally) dogmatic than religious dogmatics.
This person has totally denounced alligiance with the lord and all that comes with it. This person has denounced all organized religion. Yet this person says calling himself/herself an atheist would contradict his/her ideas and opinions of the world.
That sounds quite condradictory to me. We have a closet atheist here.
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I'm never going to understand the position of the radical moderate. Why be so enthusiastic about not giving a crap either way? Not to mention if you really don't care, why take the time to tell us that we shouldn't either? I don't believe in god and I believe that religion is volatile, but I'll hand this to theists; at least they're passionate about what they believe in. Sure, most of the time that passion translates into dogma and elitism, but at least it's something
If you don't believe in god, you're an atheist whether you like the word or not. Denying that fact vehemently does not improve your character. Being true to yourself and having the stroke to be true about yourself to others will.
Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine
So then what was the point of the email? C'mon honestly now, tell me.
Agree? I may be inclined to agree with you on that considering the individual is unwilling, but where did we (RRS) say this statement for you to agree with?
As you are doing with us right now. Such is the way of the world. The argument that we shouldn't push our beliefs on others is one that is brainwashed into us and almost nobody actually adheres to. It doesn't seem to exist, for if it did, we'd have no teachers.
You are doing the same thing you're speaking out against right now. The difference between my arguments and an argument for god is that I can prove my positions are tenable.
Yeah it is. I have evidence and logical reasons to prove my beliefs, they don't.
Which you yourself are doing right now. Hows your relationship with yourself?
So which god do you believe in?
Ok so the question remains, since you're not an atheist, you're obviously a theist... which god do you believe in?
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Come on, it's really just this simple.
Note: these ideas aren't even touched upon, maybe it's for a later mail.
the rest of the mail was just blahblahblahblahbalbhalbhalbhalbhalahlbhablb.
Seemed to go nowhere.
SOME of the time. It is unfortunately the most publicised hardcore evangelicals who are the dogmatic, elitist christians. Sure there are others, sure there are MANY problems within the church and i mean many... but the majority of members of congregations are quite happy to practice their faith personally and not force it down everybodys throats. I cannot stand any type of fundamentalist, I cannot stand anybody who tries to make someone lose or gain a belief in something. That should be discovered by yourself, a lack of belief should be gained by yourself, a belief should be gained by yourself. I do not think you should have people gathered round you saying "This is wrong, this is right, this exists, this doesnt exist". People can help, give information, but not smother you in things so much that you will eventually just give in.
To live is for Christ, to die is gain.
The only reason industrial religion peserveres is the devotees smother their views on the young and weak of mind. Nobody can start off with an abstract belief. It has to be nurtured.
A lack of belief is to be lost and mourned if one is forced to acquiesce.
I often say that when you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind.
I understand that, hence why I kinda went back on myself in my comment...
I do understand the indoctrination of children into the church and personally I oppose infant baptism (being in an anglican church, that does not go down well I tell you that!) and I do find it worrying when children are taught all the nice things in the bible then get older and realise that Daniel was not only a great king and man of God, but he also kinda got a girl pregnant and had her husband killed so he could marry her... niiice. Everyone has flaws 
. But yeah, sorry I kinda worded it wrong as well.
To live is for Christ, to die is gain.
Ummm...yeah, I am kinda picky - wasn't that the story of David? I may be wrong but I didn't think this was the story of Daniel.
Anyhoo - you are right - indoctrination is bad!
Arrrgh!! Yeah, sorry! I was in kinda a rush, I just put down the first name that came into my head with D at the beginning! Sorry about that, I feel like kinda an idiot
Anyway, sorry about that again!!
To live is for Christ, to die is gain.
Oh - no big deal! It is just a goofy thing that jumped out at me. I think it sticks with me more because I was once married to a David. He was an asshole too.