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My youtube is not working now, but I do know people that are atheist and weak agnostic/leaning atheist that do believe in ghosts. Of those few people, they are related to each other and both claim to have seen momentary "glimpses" in reflections where they said they had seen a ghost of a departed loved one and that is their basis. While there are many possible explanations for this(other than the obvious, "perhaps that was a ghost), they hold very true to this conviction because it was a personal observation that they experienced in the real world outside of the influence of psychotropic drugs or medications. While I will not rule out the possibility of ghosts(although I do think they are highly improbable, just like God), these experiences are not unlike the religious seeing their culturally identifiable figurehead(Jesus=Christians, Mohammed=Muslims etc) in apparitions. I would say the two are possibly linked, and hopefully the source of these "experiences" will be scientifically provable(eventually).
That being said, I believe there are some things that appear very supernatural when "YOU" are the one who is experiencing them. Eventhough your logical mind will say "what I believe I saw is most likely not the actual phenomenon observed."
I saw this thing on the scifi channel where they debunked different types of UFO accounts/videos, ghosts, supernatural experiences, reincarnation as either fact or fiction(or myth or something like that) and I think most of the ghost accounts and photos were debunked. Although I have seen that Ghost Hunters show only a few times, I think most of the stuff they check out is not in a "skeptical" frame, but more looking for proof of the supernatural and wanting to take every temperature change, light flicker, and background sound as proof of the supernatural.
“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.” Yoda
I've only watched the first video so far. I'd like you to thank her for humouring us, I was very amused. I was laughing out loud at some of them as a matter of fact.
If she wants to convince people, she shouldn't be linking parody ghost videos. Everything in those can be done VERY easily with off the shelf equipment and software. I especially liked the one with the door that swung open in the exact same manner it then swung closed, and then chairs/tables being moved by people off screen ... can't get more amateurish than that. Well, maybe you can ... that pantry door that swung open to a convenient angle, you hear the latch re-extend as though it was already resting against the door frame and not in the latch. As for the other graphics, I've seen people do things like that on their home computers in a matter of minutes. A bit of cleaning up and bob's you're uncle.
Organised religion is the ultimate form of blasphemy.
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Hold on just a second.
I just had to cut-and-paste that. Y'know, if she wants to convince people, maybe she shouldn't ... um ... well, look, she can spell "evidence", so maybe we should just look on the bright side.
Saint Will: no gyration without funkstification.
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Oh, she call spell just fine. Actually, she's a better linguist than me, most of the time. She just gets 'chat lazy' and shortens all of her words when IMing.
She also has not been able to find a video that met my qualifications. Which disappoints me, actually.
It's funny, in a sad way... I really, really, want somebody to step-up and metaphorically put parapsychology on the map. It's just a very entertaining and exciting field, in my opinion. If only it weren't all a pile of bullshit.
As a result, I'm actually sort of 'extra critical' of it, and pretty harsh when it comes to the video, photographic and testimonial evidence they provide (...the only evidence they can, because they're in the same boat as theists here. The alleged phenomena they 'investigate' has no physical component that they can examine or sample to use as hard evidence). I mean, look at that parking garage footage in Exhibit A. That's just so fucking cool. But as evidence, it's totally worthless, because we have one shot from one angle from one camera, in a static environment, which means it is far too easily edited.
I occassionally feel like trying to set-up a SETI-like organization, but intended for trying to record high-fidelity ghost activity - except, of course, that SETI always had plenty of merit (we know other worlds exist, we know life exists on at least one such planet, it's therefore plausible to hypothesize that other life exists on other planets) whereas any such endeavor tied to trying to seek-out apparitions would be largely baseless (there is no plausible reason for hypothesizing that ghosts exist anywhere). Still, if I ever have the extra capital at my disposal, I'm investing in some high-res camcorders and will happily go waste my time 'spook hunting', until I either do the incredible or become bored as the novelty wears off.
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
...than I, ...
Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly.
Isaac Asimov
To a degree, I do believe in some strange things. I don't think their supernatural and I absolutely believe that they could be explained with science. However, I have seen and experienced too many strange events to not believe that there's some strange things that we may perceive as ghosts.
For instance, in the past three years or so, I've had about 2-3 instances per year where I am with my wife and some electric appliance just comes on.
Here are a few examples:
1) Our microwave oven set for popcorn came on. It scared us so much because we were just watching TV and we heard some sound coming from the kitchen and the oven was on.
2) We were in the kitchen and the TV came on.
3) We were at a friend's house and while he was in the kitchen getting us some drinks, the TV came on in his living room.
4) The light in the bar in my parent's house came on while my parents, my wife, and I were talking in the kitchen.
5) My laptops and computers have come on without apparent reason a couple of times.
Now, I know that there could have been some power fluctuations, some timer, self-waking mechanism, etc. That's all fine but it has been a little bit strange that it only started happening around the last three years.
Another experience I've had was seeing strange people inside my house one night and then lights, as though from a car, by the window of a second story house where I was staying. There was a lot more to it but it may make me sound too crazy to go into detail. Hallucinations? Possibly.
Holy shit!!
That table and chairs in the ouija board video is the exact same one that my parents have in their dining room! The exact same color and everything!
I've had the same thing happen with modern microwaves and TVs. There are two things to note here:
1) This only seems to apply to modern devices that are plugged-in, with rare exceptions. Most such devices are actually designed by the manufacturer to periodically turn themselves on as a maintenance feature. Rare is the 'ghost' that, say, starts an automobile or turns on a gas stove.
2) Even if the phenomena were exceptionally strange, it's an argument from ignorance to say, 'A poltergeist must be behind it,' or demons, or the Virgin Mary, or whatever have you. It's just a strange phenomena, and while it may certainly be worth investigating, you should do so going-in without a preconcieved notion of what the cause is.
- Leon Trotsky, Last Will & Testament
February 27, 1940
I'm not saying a poltergeist or a ghost did it. However, I am saying that I do believe that certain phenoma exist that people have attributed to ghosts. Whether they're hallucinations, lights, imagination, wishful thinking, etc, I'm not sure.
I agree with that we need a true scientific study but preconceived notions are not a bad thing for science. However that notion or hypothesis must be based on science.
I prefer the stance that it's very possible poltergeists, aliens, space ships, souls, magic etc exist, but until someone can provide scientifically testable evidence (not just dodgy third-rate easily faked videos) it's not a conclusion I'll ever jump to.
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My condolences on the death of your parents' sense of style.
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I think my favourite was using rain or dust twisters as "ghosts". I actually said, "Oh, come ON!" at the screen. Do you call those mini-tornadoes "twisters" in Oz? Or, like, "flabumaroos"? "Wizzlefloozles"? It's my considered opinion that Australians should be responsible for naming everything.
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The death? Their sense of style has been a zombie since at least the late 70s when they decided that white walls, everything chrome and/or orange was the way to go for the rest of their lives.